Twitter: McCarthy and Scouts overruled the offensive line coach during the NFL Draft and selected Tyler Smith

Ranched · Aug 10, 2022

Meanwhile....

OGCowboy · Aug 10, 2022

So ready for real football talk.....maybe all these kinda threads will at least slow down.
Sometimes more silly drama on here than a ladies only hen gathering party....

kskboys · Aug 10, 2022

HungryLion said:
I think you meant “always” be able to overrule his assistants. And yes I agree.

Yeah, confused me too!!!! Need more coffee!!!!!!

kskboys · Aug 10, 2022

OGCowboy said:
So ready for real football talk.....maybe all these kinda threads will at least slow down.
Sometimes more silly drama on here than a ladies only hen gathering party....

Well, at that point you can at least ignore them as there will be good threads around!!

Ranching · Aug 10, 2022

HungryLion said:
I think you meant “always” be able to overrule his assistants. And yes I agree.

I did....thanks for the correction

goshann · Aug 10, 2022

ClappingCarrot said:
And this is exactly the problem with the Dallas FO.

When the two guys at the top are not qualified to evaluate talent, everybody and the janitor weighs in.

Should be between the head of personnel, the HC, and the GM.

It was

bewp7 · Aug 10, 2022

good philbin is a doof

phildadon86 · Aug 10, 2022

DeaconMoss said:
Definitely. Smith could be LA. But lindy was the pick.

Or Jermaine Johnson.

phildadon86 · Aug 10, 2022

morasp said:
He's a Cowboy now and a good pick. I'll be watching with interest how Tyler Linderbaum does with the Ravens though.

All Pro year one.

blueblood70 · Aug 10, 2022

goshann said:
It was

actually, all teams run like this

all AstCo get to have input its not a big deal what is a big deal is the negative constant fan responses to these threads. The important thing is the coach overruled him but all input is taken on all teams when it comes to players..they are coaching them they have experience and like any corporation they seek input and then make a final decision.

some of you need to seek help.

BTW lastly you think they dont know how to pick players our last 5 drafts or more say they do , they are at the top 5 in the league in most of the draft picks having sucess.

cowboyec · Aug 10, 2022

quickccc said:
Thanks to Wil McClay

if he catches hell for the bad...he gets credit for the good.

Plankton · Aug 10, 2022

Reality said:
Offensive line coaches are not "overruled" on draft picks.

They can provide an opinion and it is likely considered, but there is no weight, power or decision behind it to be overruled or enforced.

The decision makers are at the top, which does not include position coaches.

Keep in mind that Dallas is not like other organizations, where the Cowboys' top two personnel people in terms of titles wouldn't know their rear ends from their elbows when it comes to evaluating college talent.

In 2013, the Cowboys ended their draft meetings with Sharrif Floyd as the fifth rated player, regardless of position, on their board. When their pick came up, Floyd was still available. Rod Marinelli said that Floyd didn't fit his needs as a DT in the defense that they were running. Keep in mind that he was not the DC at this time - Monte Kiffin was. The Cowboys then pivoted and traded down with the 49ers, and got Travis Frederick. Without the position coach speaking up, there's a fair chance that Floyd would have ended up as a Cowboy.

In 2019, the Cowboys went with Trysten Hill in the second round, again largely on the recommendation of Marinelli. There's greater debate for what happened in 2017, where the Cowboys went with Taco Charlton over T.J. Watt, as to whether Marinelli or Jason Garrett drove those decisions, but that's not germane to this discussion.

The bottom line is, position coaches have had far too much influence over draft decision making in Dallas. To me, it's largely due to the fact that the top two guys in this pyramid are bereft of knowledge or philosophy on how to draft and build a roster.

plymkr · Aug 10, 2022

BoysfanfromCanada said:
Isn't this normal? Wouldn't the HC or OC have more of a say of a first round pick than a position coach

Yeah it's normal as far as I know. I personally like hearing these reports because it makes me feel that we have a normal organization.

kskboys · Aug 10, 2022

bewp7 said:
good philbin is a doof

How about bad philbin?

kskboys · Aug 10, 2022

Plankton said:
Keep in mind that Dallas is not like other organizations, where the Cowboys' top two personnel people in terms of titles wouldn't know their rear ends from their elbows when it comes to evaluating college talent.

In 2013, the Cowboys ended their draft meetings with Sharrif Floyd as the fifth rated player, regardless of position, on their board. When their pick came up, Floyd was still available. Rod Marinelli said that Floyd didn't fit his needs as a DT in the defense that they were running. Keep in mind that he was not the DC at this time - Monte Kiffin was. The Cowboys then pivoted and traded down with the 49ers, and got Travis Frederick. Without the position coach speaking up, there's a fair chance that Floyd would have ended up as a Cowboy.

In 2019, the Cowboys went with Trysten Hill in the second round, again largely on the recommendation of Marinelli. There's greater debate for what happened in 2017, where the Cowboys went with Taco Charlton over T.J. Watt, as to whether Marinelli or Jason Garrett drove those decisions, but that's not germane to this discussion.

The bottom line is, position coaches have had far too much influence over draft decision making in Dallas. To me, it's largely due to the fact that the top two guys in this pyramid are bereft of knowledge or philosophy on how to draft and build a roster.

Yup. Well done.

Especially calling Jerry and his horde germs, couldn't agree more.

ElGatoGrande · Aug 10, 2022

D4KADON said:
seems McCarthy did BPA and did away with some of the favoritism showed by the coaches

I'm not surprised at Philbin being over-ruled,,, I am surprised that he's still the OL coach though,, what the hell? His impact on this offense is negligible at best and more likely negative as far as I can tell. The only caveat is that, supposedly, Jerry told them all "hands-off" on the young boy wonder offensive coordinator,,, so maybe those uninspiring blocking schemes are his.

CoachD · Aug 10, 2022

D4KADON said:
seems McCarthy did BPA and did away with some of the favoritism showed by the coaches

Of course they weren't! They knew the other guys were better and that Smith is a flag waiting to happen.

CoachD · Aug 10, 2022

Tangle_Foot said:
Bill Parcells wanted Marcus Spears at pick number 11 and Jerry overruled him to get DeMarcus Ware. Hoping this one turns out the same way.

The one thing Jerry got right after he fired Jimmy.

Big_D · Aug 10, 2022

ClappingCarrot said:
And this is exactly the problem with the Dallas FO.

When the two guys at the top are not qualified to evaluate talent, everybody and the janitor weighs in.

Should be between the head of personnel, the HC, and the GM.

.. and the grandkids. Hell there’s even room for any ******* children to get in on the act.

xwalker · Aug 11, 2022

Ranched said:
Meanwhile....

Was he wearing faulty 3D googles...

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