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DallasEast · Aug 12, 2022

Roadtrip635 said:
That's why you move to Hell's Kitchen, sure you got Kingpin, Bullseye etc., but at least you don't have to worry about those pesky world level threats

Daredevil's Home Is Immune To Thanos-Level Threats
By Joe Anthony Myrick
Published 5 days ago
Everyone, even major villains, doesn't seem to know or care about Hell's Kitchen. That all changes for Jessica Jones and Daredevil in The Variants.

Spoiler warning for The Variants #2!

The Man Without Fear, Daredevil, isn't the only patron of Hell's Kitchen as Jessica Jones is quickly learning that the New York neighborhood is immune to worldwide threats from the likes of Thanos. Hell's Kitchen has served as the quiet little cornerstone of the Marvel.
Universe ever since the Daredevil character first debuted in 1964. Other locals like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage do their part to protect the streets of Hell's Kitchen, but the threats of Hell's Kitchen are typically street-level, for the most part.

Not to undermine the likes of Kingpin, Bullseye, or The Purple Man who all terrorize Hell's Kitchen on a regular basis. While their crimes are heinous in their own right, they aren't the same kind of worldwide threats that demand The Avengers' attention in the way Thanos would. Villains like Thanos typically affect the entire world in their attacks, yet somehow, Hell's Kitchen either winds up never mentioned or completely safe from what should be such a worldwide attack. Even Tigra notices how Hell's Kitchen always seems to wind up unscathed from worldwide carnage whenever someone like Thanos targets the planet earth.

https://screenrant.com/daredevil-hells-kitchen-immune-thanos-threats-jessica-jones/

Tigra makes an excellent observation! Loki's army did lay siege to the city but Hell's Kitchen was spared.

Here's a wild idea (I'm full of them

). Maybe Hell's Kitchen exists in an alternate dimension like K'un-Lun. It is visible to everyone and people can travel in and out of it at will but it is mystically shielded from worldwide threats whenever they surface.

You know. This might be a job for... Doctor Strange! :laugh:

Roadtrip635 · Aug 12, 2022

DallasEast said:
Tigra makes an excellent observation! Loki's army did lay siege to the city but Hell's Kitchen was spared.

Here's a wild idea (I'm full of them ). Maybe Hell's Kitchen exists in an alternate dimension like K'un-Lun. It is visible to everyone and people can travel in and out of it at will but it is mystically shielded from worldwide threats whenever they surface.

You know. This might be a job for... Doctor Strange!

Stilt Man would crush Doctor Strange in a New York Minute!

DallasEast · Aug 12, 2022

Roadtrip635 said:
Stilt Man would crush Doctor Strange in a New York Minute!

He's an imposter!

The Punisher killed him already.

(Stephen Strange breathes a sigh of relief.

)

quickccc · Aug 12, 2022

So to keep update, Disney is rebooting series for both Daredevil and the Punisher, ... but not Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist ..or Defenders ?

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The Superhero rave and wave is rushing in so fast, and with so many it's sometimes a challenge to keep up, i know its' been discussed here, but i'm trying to re-collect it.

quickccc · Aug 12, 2022

nobody said:
It does, even though Namor was created two years (almost three) before Aquaman... Aquaman is a blatant rip off. Both are sons of a human fisherman and Atlantean princess, for example. I think it was a good decision for them to change things up.

Super powers & ability wise, aside from Namor's winged feet that gives him the flight ability, what is supposedly the difference(s) between Namor vs Aquaman ?

DallasEast · Aug 12, 2022

quickccc said:
So to keep update, Disney is rebooting series for both Daredevil and the Punisher, ... but not Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist ..or Defenders ?

The Superhero rave and wave is rushing in so fast, and with so many it's sometimes a challenge to keep up, i know its' been discussed here, but i'm trying to re-collect it.

Daredevil is the only series confirmed that will be get new seasons. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones will likely follow but neither has been officially confirmed. There is a Jon Bernthal rumor circulating now but nothing concrete about The Punisher returning with new episodes. We should probably not hold our breaths on Iron Fist or The Defenders.

DallasEast · Aug 12, 2022

quickccc said:
Super powers & ability wise, aside from Namor's winged feet that gives him the flight ability, what is supposedly the difference(s) between Namor vs Aquaman ?

They are basically the same character. DC made both more similar when they transformed Aquaman from being even keeled in nature to a hardcore, no nonsense, undersea ruler with an attitude. Just like Namor.

nobody · Aug 12, 2022

quickccc said:
Super powers & ability wise, aside from Namor's winged feet that gives him the flight ability, what is supposedly the difference(s) between Namor vs Aquaman ?

Namor is physically stronger but his communication with sea life isn't as powerful. He doesn't make friends with fish. But @DallasEast is right in that DC made them much more identical later on.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Mark Ruffalo Defends Marvel Output: ‘You Get the Same Version’ of ‘Star Wars’ Every Time, But Not the MCU
By Zack Sharf | Variety
August 12, 2022

Are there too many Marvel movies and TV shows? “Lost” and “Watchmen” showrunner Damon Lindelof recently said he’d like to see fewer Marvel movies made so that “each one that [comes] out [feels] a little bit more special,” but Marvel stalwart Mark Ruffalo isn’t too concerned. The actor is reprising his role of Bruce Banner in “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” one of nearly a dozen MCU TV series that have launched on Disney+ in less than two years. Ruffalo doesn’t think Marvel’s output needs to be capped.

“It’s not something I worry about,” Ruffalo said when asked by Metro.co.uk if there too much Marvel content. “I understand that these things run their course and then something else comes along. But the thing Marvel has done well is that, inside the MCU, just as they do with comic books, they let a director or an actor sort of recreate each piece to their own style, their likeness. Marvel generally lets them bring that to the material.”

To prove his point, Ruffalo threw a bit of shade at the “Star Wars” universe. The actor said, “If you watch a ‘Star Wars,’ you’re pretty much going to get the same version of ‘Star Wars’ each time. It might have a little bit of humor. It might have a little bit of different animation. But you’re always, really, in that same kind of world. But with Marvel you can have a whole different feeling, even within the Marvel Universe.”

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/mark-ruffalo-defends-marvel-output-star-wars-1235339909/Read more

Roadtrip635 · Aug 13, 2022

DallasEast said:
To prove his point, Ruffalo threw a bit of shade at the “Star Wars” universe. The actor said, “If you watch a ‘Star Wars,’ you’re pretty much going to get the same version of ‘Star Wars’ each time. It might have a little bit of humor. It might have a little bit of different animation. But you’re always, really, in that same kind of world. But with Marvel you can have a whole different feeling, even within the Marvel Universe.”

I don't think it really proves his point, I think they're kinda similar. In his quote you can substitute "Star Wars" for "MCU" and it would still apply.

“If you watch an MCU movie you’re pretty much going to get the same version of the MCU each time. It might have a little bit of humor. It might have a little bit of different animation. But you’re always, really, in that same kind of world."

As far as the MCU goes, regardless of movie or series, you feel like you're in the same kinda world, I think that's kinda the purpose of having the MCU. Each style might have slight variations but still feels kinda similar. You might have been able to say that before the Disney consolidation of Marvel, don't think that really applies anymore. It's not like they're painting with a huge color palette, but more like different shades of the same color, if that makes sense.

Contrast that with DC, "Joker", "The Sandman", "Shazam", "The Batman", those all feel really different and do not feel like the same world.

Disney has found a formula that works and their issue how to keep the new products feel fresh and exciting within the framework they've laid out, without that "fatigue" setting in. DC is looking for financial consistency, some of it has been very good and some,....... well, not.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Roadtrip635 said:
I don't think it really proves his point, I think they're kinda similar. In his quote you can substitute "Star Wars" for "MCU" and it would still apply.

“If you watch an MCU movie you’re pretty much going to get the same version of the MCU each time. It might have a little bit of humor. It might have a little bit of different animation. But you’re always, really, in that same kind of world."

As far as the MCU goes, regardless of movie or series, you feel like you're in the same kinda world, I think that's kinda the purpose of having the MCU. Each style might have slight variations but still feels kinda similar. You might have been able to say that before the Disney consolidation of Marvel, don't think that really applies anymore. It's not like they're painting with a huge color palette, but more like different shades of the same color, if that makes sense.

Contrast that with DC, "Joker", "The Sandman", "Shazam", "The Batman", those all feel really different and do not feel like the same world.

Disney has found a formula that works and their issue how to keep the new products feel fresh and exciting within the framework they've laid out, without that "fatigue" setting in. DC is looking for financial consistency, some of it has been very good and some,....... well, not.

I would disagree they are similar, although I do not think Ruffalo makes a distinction with Revenge of the Sith, which is a slight departure from the other eight Star Wars episodic movies in my opinion. Jedi versus Sith. Empire against Rebels. I love Star Wars but those are the base frameworks of all the movies.

On the other hand, MCU original movies and sequels (i.e. Captain America: The First Avenger & Captain America: The Winter Soldier) are similar. I do not see each different character/group for each film mirroring their peers's formula. The sequences in Thor do not flow like what is seen in Black Panther. Spider-Man: Homecoming does not begin and end like either Guardians of the Galaxy film.

However, I would agree the movies you mentioned--Joker, etc.,--are notably different from the MCU. Those films remind me very much of DC Elseworlds--stories totally connected with the central character and practically zero tied to anything outside of that character. I am interested whether Warner Bros Discovery will eventually scrap the poor DCEU strategy all-together and latch onto that venture wholeheartedly.

All-in-all, I think it is fair to say different moviegoers have differing opinions of freshness. I'm 57. I was thirteen when the original Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope hit theaters. Each subsequent episode has felt fresh to me. Even the so-so The Last Jedi was fresh for me because it was something I had not seen before and it was entertaining (although it could have been much better in that regard).

Formulaic moviemaking does eventually wear down some movie fans. That is true and should not be argued. That sentiment is not shared by all movie fans though. It is why older guys like myself are still pumped whenever new Star Wars stuff drops. I cannot wait for Andor. It will not be a big departure from stuff seen in the franchise to-date. I do not have a problem with others saying its stale before anyone sees it. It will still be fresh to me.

Runwildboys · Aug 13, 2022

DallasEast said:
I would disagree they are similar, although I do not think Ruffalo makes a distinction with Revenge of the Sith, which is a slight departure from the other eight Star Wars episodic movies in my opinion. Jedi versus Sith. Empire against Rebels. I love Star Wars but those are the base frameworks of all the movies.

On the other hand, MCU original movies and sequels (i.e. Captain America: The First Avenger & Captain America: The Winter Soldier) are similar. I do not see each different character/group for each film mirroring their peers's formula. The sequences in Thor do not flow like what is seen in Black Panther. Spider-Man: Homecoming does not begin and end like either Guardians of the Galaxy film.

However, I would agree the movies you mentioned--Joker, etc.,--are notably different from the MCU. Those films remind me very much of DC Elseworlds--stories totally connected with the central character and practically zero tied to anything outside of that character. I am interested whether Warner Bros Discovery will eventually scrap the poor DCEU strategy all-together and latch onto that venture wholeheartedly.

All-in-all, I think it is fair to say different moviegoers have differing opinions of freshness. I'm 57. I was thirteen when the original Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope hit theaters. Each subsequent episode has felt fresh to me. Even the so-so The Last Jedi was fresh for me because it was something I had not seen before and it was entertaining (although it could have been much better in that regard).

Formulaic moviemaking does eventually wear down some movie fans. That is true and should not be argued. That sentiment is not shared by all movie fans though. It is why older guys like myself are still pumped whenever new Star Wars stuff drops. I cannot wait for Andor. It will not be a big departure from stuff seen in the franchise to-date. I do not have a problem with others saying its stale before anyone sees it. It will still be fresh to me.

While I can take or leave any Star Wars fare, Andor looks to me like it's going to be very different than the usual. If the trailer is indicative of the actual product, it looks much grittier and realistic (from an emotional perspective) than the previous "reluctant hero" stories we've seen so far. From what I saw, I got the sense of a war movie, but with a SW setting.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Runwildboys said:
While I can take or leave any Star Wars fare, Andor looks to me like it's going to be very different than the usual. If the trailer is indicative of the actual product, it looks much grittier and realistic (from an emotional perspective) than the previous "reluctant hero" stories we've seen so far. From what I saw, I got the sense of a war movie, but with a SW setting.

It could be war movie like but I am expecting spy/espionage/suspense like episodes. The series was birth by Rogue One, which I enjoyed very much. I am betting Andor mirrors it a good deal.

Runwildboys · Aug 13, 2022

DallasEast said:
It could be war movie like but I am expecting spy/espionage/suspense like episodes. The series was birth by Rogue One, which I enjoyed very much. I am betting Andor mirrors it a good deal.

You're probably right, Your Majesty.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Runwildboys said:
You're probably right, Your Majesty.

Henceforth, I will call you Darth Runwildboys.

Rise...

Roadtrip635 · Aug 13, 2022

DallasEast said:
I would disagree they are similar, although I do not think Ruffalo makes a distinction with Revenge of the Sith, which is a slight departure from the other eight Star Wars episodic movies in my opinion. Jedi versus Sith. Empire against Rebels. I love Star Wars but those are the base frameworks of all the movies.

On the other hand, MCU original movies and sequels (i.e. Captain America: The First Avenger & Captain America: The Winter Soldier) are similar. I do not see each different character/group for each film mirroring their peers's formula. The sequences in Thor do not flow like what is seen in Black Panther. Spider-Man: Homecoming does not begin and end like either Guardians of the Galaxy film.

However, I would agree the movies you mentioned--Joker, etc.,--are notably different from the MCU. Those films remind me very much of DC Elseworlds--stories totally connected with the central character and practically zero tied to anything outside of that character. I am interested whether Warner Bros Discovery will eventually scrap the poor DCEU strategy all-together and latch onto that venture wholeheartedly.

All-in-all, I think it is fair to say different moviegoers have differing opinions of freshness. I'm 57. I was thirteen when the original Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope hit theaters. Each subsequent episode has felt fresh to me. Even the so-so The Last Jedi was fresh for me because it was something I had not seen before and it was entertaining (although it could have been much better in that regard).

Formulaic moviemaking does eventually wear down some movie fans. That is true and should not be argued. That sentiment is not shared by all movie fans though. It is why older guys like myself are still pumped whenever new Star Wars stuff drops. I cannot wait for Andor. It will not be a big departure from stuff seen in the franchise to-date. I do not have a problem with others saying its stale before anyone sees it. It will still be fresh to me.

I think formula wasn't quite the right word, more like framework. The MCU created a world and the stories are meant to be told within that world which can limit an artistic or creative freedom to re-imagine that world. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it still comes down to the basics, a good story, tell the story effectively, create interesting characters and make people feel those characters. That's how you keep it fresh and exciting, don't let the sfx get in the way of the story.

I hope they don't latch onto the DCEU all together strategy either. I think I would like it at a certain level, you can have some intertwined stories and characters interacting, but don't limit it to that world. I want them to retain the ability to explore characters in different ways. The comics created their Multiverses, Elsewheres, What Ifs, One Shots, Limited Series etc. to be able to tell the stories that didn't necessarily fit into their main worlds.

It looks like they're trying to do some of that with Marvel, but there will always be a level of constraint to keep it under the Disney umbrella. Disney is kinda like the modern version of the "Comics Code"

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Roadtrip635 said:
I hope they don't latch onto the DCEU all together strategy either. I think I would like it at a certain level, you can have some intertwined stories and characters interacting, but don't limit it to that world. I want them to retain the ability to explore characters in different ways. The comics created their Multiverses, Elsewheres, What Ifs, One Shots, Limited Series etc. to be able to tell the stories that didn't necessarily fit into their main worlds.

It should be noted Disney/Marvel has called MCU Phases 4 though 6 The Multiverse Saga, beginning with WandaVision on Disney+ and will end with Avengers: Secret Wars in 2025.

In the comics, Secret Wars' story revolves around distinct separate realities combined together. I think it is safe saying these phases are the literal definition of working intertwined realities.

DC's Elsewheres, and even Marvel's What If..?, are different from the multiverse definition. These are stories from separate realities that do not intermix with each other.

Marvel is proactively and intentionally meshing everything together into one huge world. It makes the likelihood of their version of an independent story movie like Joker unlikely. I know some do not like the "world" Disney/Marvel is creating in these phases but it's going to an extended dislike for sure.

Roadtrip635 said:
It looks like they're trying to do some of that with Marvel, but there will always be a level of constraint to keep it under the Disney umbrella. Disney is kinda like the modern version of the "Comics Code"

This I agree with 100% even though not for the exact same reasons necessarily.

Runwildboys · Aug 13, 2022

DallasEast said:
It should be noted Disney/Marvel has called MCU Phases 4 though 6 The Multiverse Saga, beginning with WandaVision on Disney+ and will end with Avengers: Secret Wars in 2025.

In the comics, Secret Wars' story revolves around distinct separate realities combined together. I think it is safe saying these phases are the literal definition of working intertwined realities.

DC's Elsewheres, and even Marvel's What If..?, are different from the multiverse definition. These are stories from separate realities that do not intermix with each other.

Marvel is proactively and intentionally meshing everything together into one huge world. It makes the likelihood of their version of an independent story movie like Joker. I know some do not like the "world" Disney/Marvel is creating in these phases but it's going to an extended dislike for sure.
This I agree with 100% even though not for the exact same reasons necessarily.

The 2 highlighted sentences confuse me. I don't know if it's word salad, or if my brain just isn't seeing them right.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Runwildboys said:
The 2 highlighted sentences confuse me. I don't know if it's word salad, or if my brain just isn't seeing them right.

Forgot to include the word unlikely to the end of the first sentence.

First sentence meant Disney/Marvel would not make a movie that is not tied in some way to the other movies. Joker is a movie that is not tied into the DCEU series of movies. It is a standalone.

Second sentence was emphasizing Disney/Marvel would not deviate from how they were making movies. Their movies are beginning to stagnate in some folks' opinion and they are disliking current MCU films for this reason. I pointed out that Disney/Marvel will not change their formula for making the movies, so some folks may continue disliking what gets released for audiences.

DallasEast · Aug 13, 2022

Which ship is best?

I'm a bigger Star Trek fan than a fan of The Expanse but I would side with The Rocinante. It's sublight and has no shields but would be crazy to deal with in a close combat fight.

On another note, it is criminal that The Expanse sixth season ended after six episodes. I know the rest of its story would not be told but an abbreviated season was idiotic.

Just pay for four more episodes. It is not like Jeff Bezos or Amazon is hurting for money.

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