Why Can't Dallas Field a Good Offense & Defense At The Same Time

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 13, 2022

Streifenkarl said:
... said the man and went to fight some kids at the near elementary school.

Gee, first of all in a division like ours last year we could have fielded the practice squad and got the division win. Philly didn't even show up in the last game. How did you like our games vs KC, Arizona and SF?

I give you the TB game, at least they were trying.

Around here we call that the one eyed among the blind.

I don't compare us to a subjective ideal but instead by the objective reality of the NFL. Take your scrutiny to the Cowboys and apply it to the other 31 teams and you may have a point to demonstrate.

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Which is basically what you’re doing.

If you aren’t aware that the NFL has always used Total Yards as the measurement for its official defensive rankings that’s on you to seek it out. Do you have any evidence it’s not true?

So it's upon me to prove what you claim. . .

SMH no one is buying what you are selling and my initial point got a ton of likes. This is beyond boring.

Diehardblues · Aug 13, 2022

FuzzyLumpkins said:
So it's upon me to prove what you claim. . .

SMH no one is buying what you are selling and my initial point got a ton of likes. This is beyond boring.

My claim is common knowledge . Total yards has been the official measurement for rankings on offenses and defenses. I don’t have to sell it or prove it. No one is disputing it regardless if they don’t agree with it.

If you have something that disputes or the league’s announcement that they no longer use total yards as official measurement for rankings, please provide.

Diehardblues · Aug 13, 2022

kskboys said:
And since using only points is even less accurate, you must be laughing even harder at those who try to.

Yea, not sure why some fans dispute the official measurement the league uses to rank defenses?

It doesn’t mean scoring stats and turnovers aren’t important factors. TO especially are critical.

If they don’t agree with it , that’s fine. But they must remember it’s what has ranked all of the great defenses in NFL history.

kskboys · Aug 13, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Yea, not sure why some fans dispute the official measurement the league uses to rank defenses?

It doesn’t mean scoring stats and turnovers aren’t important factors. TO especially are critical.

If they don’t agree with it , that’s fine. But they must remember it’s what has ranked all of the great defenses in NFL history.

FF generation. They also rank players by TD's scored exclusively, which doesn't even make sense.

Jake · Aug 13, 2022

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that maybe the father and son front office, who have only worked for themselves, aren't the greatest at team building.

But who knows? They've only been working together going on 27 years.

Diehardblues · Aug 13, 2022

Jake said:
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that maybe the father and son front office, who have only worked for themselves, aren't the greatest at team building.

But who knows? They've only been working together going on 27 years.

You know as much as I’ve been a critic of them , it’s truly amazing we’ve even fielded a mediocre team this era under their dysfunctional leadership. Mainly cause they stumbled on to a couple good QB’s.

The bottom tier franchises should really be ashamed they haven’t had anymore success than these egotistical buttholes.

But at least they have an opportunity at some point to get it right.

Streifenkarl · Aug 14, 2022

FuzzyLumpkins said:
I don't compare us to a subjective ideal but instead by the objective reality of the NFL. Take your scrutiny to the Cowboys and apply it to the other 31 teams and you may have a point to demonstrate.

It is what it is. If they can't beat the big guys on the school yard, toying around with the losers won't get us anywhere for another 26 years. This season gives us multiple opportunities to show what we can do against contenders. Win a couple of those and I'm on the "good regular season" train.

Bizwah · Aug 14, 2022

Jake said:
I'll go out on a limb and suggest that maybe the father and son front office, who have only worked for themselves, aren't the greatest at team building.

But who knows? They've only been working together going on 27 years.

Good post. I was about to say the same thing.

For years I wanted to believe Jerry and Co could figure it out. It's taken me a while, but I have to admit they just don't get it.

Diehardblues · Aug 14, 2022

Bizwah said:
Good post. I was about to say the same thing.

For years I wanted to believe Jerry and Co could figure it out. It's taken me a while, but I have to admit they just don't get it.

I’m not even sure how much they are trying. We have an 80 year old part time GM who by his own admission says the priority is to remain interesting and relative.

He has no direct accountability with revenue booming. All he has to do is hype and promote his product to the fans.

And then create scapegoats when it doesn’t fulfill those expectations. It’s a vicious cycle which keeps him in the spotlight and without real consequences. The ultimate con job.

JonesBoys · Aug 14, 2022

Vinnie2u said:
I'll tell you why... They over compensate.. When the offense was putrid, especially the Oline. They used a bunch of resources to fix the line. Problem solved. But the defense got old quick. Then they have to use a whole entire draft to fix the defense.. Things are looking up.. Now we got a old slow Zeke, 1 WR and Oline is looking a mess. Now its time to fix the Offense..

It’s called the Jones boys effect.

DandyDon52 · Aug 14, 2022

Ranched said:
Becasue history has been repeating itself for 28 years with these OC's. They've been a mess for years. Take a look at their records. The last time Dallas had a decent one was in 1994. Does that year ring a bell? But keep blaming ALL THOSE quarterbacks & Jerry as some of you continously do. In football ALL cylinders have to click in ALL departments for an squad to make it. These OC's mentioned wasted a lot of talent throughout those years & still do.

Moore 0-1 record in playoff games.
Linehan 1-2 record in playoff games.
Callahan 1-1 record in playoff games.
Garrett 1-2 record in playoff games.
Carthon 0-1 record in playoff games.

Coslet was the offensive coordinator in the 2002 season. Coslet's record as the team's offensive coordinator was 5-11-0, making him the second-least successful offensive coordinator in Dallas Cowboys history.

Reilly was the offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys in the 2000-2001 seasons, a total of two years. Reilly's record as the team's offensive coordinator was 10-22-0, making him the second-least successful offensive coordinator in Dallas Cowboys history.

Zampese was the offensive coordinator 1994-1997 seasons, a total of four years. The team made it to the playoffs three times (1994-1996) and had a 5-2 record under Coach Zampese in playoff games. In 1995, the Boys faced off against the Squealers in SB XXX & we all know the outcome of that SB!

the qb does matter, and jerry imo gets all the blame ! lol
Jerry as gm, hires all those coaches, and then his meddiling and poor gm work sets up teams to fail.
All you have to do is look at this last offseason, to see how jerry affects the team in a negative way.

Jerry hires a Off HC, then makes him take his OC, with a no interference clause , so he cant tell kellen anything.
Then when kellen does badly, jerry asks mike why doesnt he help kellen?? :facepalm:

It is really funny.
Then personnel wise, jones boys take tyler smith over linderbaum ! lol these things add up.
A # 2 pick on bossman fat ?? :lmao2:

the jones boys are the constant in the last 26 years , they are arrogant, ignorant, and wield absolute power, no one can criticize them, and that leads
to what we have seen over the years. I still remember the roy williams trade !! lol that was a real head scratcher, I still dont see how jerry could
think that was a good deal, hard to comprehend how anyone could be that dumb.

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 16, 2022

Streifenkarl said:
It is what it is. If they can't beat the big guys on the school yard, toying around with the losers won't get us anywhere for another 26 years. This season gives us multiple opportunities to show what we can do against contenders. Win a couple of those and I'm on the "good regular season" train.

What it is is your inability to discern context.

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 16, 2022

Diehardblues said:
My claim is common knowledge . Total yards has been the official measurement for rankings on offenses and defenses. I don’t have to sell it or prove it. No one is disputing it regardless if they don’t agree with it.

If you have something that disputes or the league’s announcement that they no longer use total yards as official measurement for rankings, please provide.

Common knowledge that a google search doesn't find?

You're wrong.

Diehardblues · Aug 16, 2022

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Common knowledge that a google search doesn't find?

You're wrong.

It’s out there. I even posted a link about it in this thread . Here you go:

How do NFL offenses and defenses get ranked?

The league's offenses are ranked by which teams averaged the most yards per game; the defenses are judged by who allowed the fewest yards per game.

www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8379024/nfl-explaining-expected-points-metric

Diehardblues · Aug 16, 2022

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Common knowledge that a google search doesn't find?

You're wrong.

Does anyone have any info that says the NFL has changed how they officially rank offenses and defenses with Total Yards ?

kskboys · Aug 16, 2022

Diehardblues said:
It’s out there. I even posted a link about it in this thread . Here you go:

How do NFL offenses and defenses get ranked?

The league's offenses are ranked by which teams averaged the most yards per game; the defenses are judged by who allowed the fewest yards per game.

www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8379024/nfl-explaining-expected-points-metric

Yards is by far the most accurate standalone stat to evaluate a D.

Now, of course the complete evaluation is better, of that there is no doubt. TO's, YPC, 4th qtr play, QB pressures.

The NE Pats beat the Falcons in the super bowl, a team that had completely dominated them in the first 3 qtrs, almost exclusively using QB pressure. Horrific playcalling by Kyle Shanahan, however, was most likely just as big of a factor.

When the Pats have lost in the playoffs, it's pretty much the same reason every time, giving up too many yards. Not being able to stop the other team.

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 16, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Does anyone have any info that says the NFL has changed how they officially rank offenses and defenses with Total Yards ?

Again show the proof of any "official" ranking that existed in the first place. Your presumption despite an ability to find proof is interesting psychologically I guess.

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 16, 2022

kskboys said:
Yards is by far the most accurate standalone stat to evaluate a D.

You wouldn't even know how to sample or find a correlation coefficient. And accurate to what btw? Your pigheaded insistence?

FuzzyLumpkins · Aug 16, 2022

Diehardblues said:
It’s out there. I even posted a link about it in this thread . Here you go:

How do NFL offenses and defenses get ranked?

The league's offenses are ranked by which teams averaged the most yards per game; the defenses are judged by who allowed the fewest yards per game.

www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8379024/nfl-explaining-expected-points-metric

The title of that article is
Expected points and EPA explained

You cherry picked one sentence out of context. Let's look at the context shall we?

Let's start with what seems like a pretty basic question: Which team has the best offense in the NFL? How about the best defense? Special teams?

Although opinions on these matters can vary wildly, the objective statistical measure of these aspects of football has usually been something that relies on yards. The league's offenses are ranked by which teams averaged the most yards per game; the defenses are judged by who allowed the fewest yards per game.

But, as most experienced football fans know, yards can be extremely deceiving. For example, if a team has impressive yardage totals but turns the ball over frequently or fails to convert in the red zone consistently, what use are all those yards in terms of actual points on the scoreboard? (Eagles fans might understand this plight better than anyone.)

The next sentence after your cherry pick straight up refutes your position and calls out people with your position as inexperienced. Nevermind this is not discussing NFL official policy.

At this point your are either stupid or **** posting for attention. Either way you go on ignore. I have no time for intentional deception.

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