CFZ How I Feel Fehoko Will Be Used As A Hybrid TE

Doomsday101

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Fehoko has a chance to get on the field, I'm sure any role the team ask of him he will gladly take. Using him at times as a hybrid TE is not much different that how the Falcons use Kyle Pitts. Pitts sure as hell is not your conventional TE
 

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Great stuff as always, I wish you would do more of it. As I have told you before, in my humble opinion, you're one of the best posters we have.

It got me excited watching his college highlights last year. (yeah, I know) But it was clear in the preseason he wasn't ready in my opinion. I am hoping he makes the second year leap, it would be huge for the offense.

I've always liked Brown, but I understand why others think he's a wasted roster spot. But hell, I'm still believing Hill can be a big time player for this team. Hehe. I'm wrong about something most everyday, no biggie to me.
 

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This will be a pretty long post. I apologize in advance.

Since Simi Fehoko and McCarthy both talked about how the team asked Fehoko to add weight to be a hybrid TE, I’ve been contemplating just how the Cowboys might be planning on using him. The team called it a tight end hybrid or pseudo TE. I also think the team might also use Noah Brown in a similar fashion because he is really big for a WR and might be the best blocking WR in the league.

Below is a video that illustrates what I’m thinking. It is done by Brett Kollmann, who is one of my favorite guys on YouTube to watch. He is excellent and really knows football inside and out.

In the video, Kollmann goes over how the Rams use Cooper Kupp and how the Vikings (with their new head coach being McVay’s offensive coordinator) will likely use Justin Jefferson (who was asked to block a lot at LSU, and did it very well).

Now, I know the exact way that the Rams use their 3 receiver sets won’t necessarily be the same way the Cowboys will, but I think it will be very similar in the way both will run the ball out of that formation.

Dallas has really liked using the 3 WR set (11 personnel) in the past, but they have used it more in a conventional manner. Cooper, Lamb, and Gallup running their routes, just like offenses usually do.

However, when McVay does it, he has Cooper Kupp, who is also one of the best blocking WR’s in the league. So for McVay, it is almost like a 2 TE set (12 personnel) because along with his TE he has Kupp who blocks his butt off.

So what you have is a 3 receiver set, that actually functions similar to a 2 TE set in the run game. This creates big issues for the defense because they typically counter 11 personnel with a nickel (or even dime) sub package, which obviously isn’t as strong against the run as a base defense.

In the video, Kollmann gives a stat that almost 25% of all the plays run by the Rams offense was a run out of 11 personnel. Not 25% of all running plays… it is 25% of all plays. It was very successful for McVay because obviously, they can pass out of that set just as easily. They ran it a huge part of the time.

So if defenses played the run, Stafford could pass. If defenses countered with a passing sub package, the Rams could hurt you on the ground

Clearly one of the big differences for Dallas is that Kupp (and Jefferson) are better receivers than Brown or Fehoko. However, if the Rams did throw out of a 3 WR set, it didn’t have to be Kupp getting the ball. He just got it a lot because he’s the best WR in the league and was often open. If Dak throws to Lamb or Gallup (or whoever) instead of Fehoko/Brown, the principles are still the same. The defense is still at a disadvantage if they have run-stop personnel on the field on a pass play, and vice versa.

On run plays for Dallas, Fehoko or Brown would have a clear advantage blocking a DB. Brown blocks almost like a TE anyway, and Fehoko will be big enough to be a very good blocker as well.

We know that Dallas wants to run the ball a lot this season, and in asking Fehoko to bulk up to be a TE Hybrid, I think Dallas is planning on running a lot more out of 3 WR sets. I think Brown’s sudden improvement (along with his great blocking) also gives a nice option to use as the 3rd receiver if they want to run out of that formation.

And if they try to use a LB on Fehoko… he’ll be going deep a lot, I think. He has improved by leaps and bounds and with his size and speed, he definitely can cause some problems for defenses.

It could be very effective for Dallas… particularly before Gallup is back.

I know none of this is groundbreaking or anything, but it is how I expect Dallas to use Fehoko (and possibly Brown) as a pseudo TE. This video gives some very good examples of what I’m talking about. And Kollmann is just so good. If you have 15 minutes to spare, it is well worth it.

I will tell you that the video is sponsored, so from about 7:53 to 9:00 he talks about the sponsor. When you get to the part where he starts talking about it, just fast forward to the 9:00 mark to skip it if you wish.

Anyway, here is the video. I hope you enjoy.


I found this an interesting read from a fantasy football point of view with the old Rams OC now the Vikings HC. I have the 8th pick in a 12 team PPR league. Soooooooo, what do you think this means for Dalvin Cook this year? :)
 

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Thank you, but no need for the sympathy. Not everyone is a reader nor wish to read such a long post on a tiny screen. Folks are busy w/their daily lives & quickly stop by to see what's going on in the Zone by scrolling topics. Then when you click on one that interest you & see it's half a book, it's a turnoff.

A lesser person would take a shot at your "We are Penn State" motto. But since I didn't, I won't apologize. :lmao2:
 

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This will be a pretty long post. I apologize in advance.

Since Simi Fehoko and McCarthy both talked about how the team asked Fehoko to add weight to be a hybrid TE, I’ve been contemplating just how the Cowboys might be planning on using him. The team called it a tight end hybrid or pseudo TE. I also think the team might also use Noah Brown in a similar fashion because he is really big for a WR and might be the best blocking WR in the league.

Below is a video that illustrates what I’m thinking. It is done by Brett Kollmann, who is one of my favorite guys on YouTube to watch. He is excellent and really knows football inside and out.

In the video, Kollmann goes over how the Rams use Cooper Kupp and how the Vikings (with their new head coach being McVay’s offensive coordinator) will likely use Justin Jefferson (who was asked to block a lot at LSU, and did it very well).

Now, I know the exact way that the Rams use their 3 receiver sets won’t necessarily be the same way the Cowboys will, but I think it will be very similar in the way both will run the ball out of that formation.

Dallas has really liked using the 3 WR set (11 personnel) in the past, but they have used it more in a conventional manner. Cooper, Lamb, and Gallup running their routes, just like offenses usually do.

However, when McVay does it, he has Cooper Kupp, who is also one of the best blocking WR’s in the league. So for McVay, it is almost like a 2 TE set (12 personnel) because along with his TE he has Kupp who blocks his butt off.

So what you have is a 3 receiver set, that actually functions similar to a 2 TE set in the run game. This creates big issues for the defense because they typically counter 11 personnel with a nickel (or even dime) sub package, which obviously isn’t as strong against the run as a base defense.

In the video, Kollmann gives a stat that almost 25% of all the plays run by the Rams offense was a run out of 11 personnel. Not 25% of all running plays… it is 25% of all plays. It was very successful for McVay because obviously, they can pass out of that set just as easily. They ran it a huge part of the time.

So if defenses played the run, Stafford could pass. If defenses countered with a passing sub package, the Rams could hurt you on the ground

Clearly one of the big differences for Dallas is that Kupp (and Jefferson) are better receivers than Brown or Fehoko. However, if the Rams did throw out of a 3 WR set, it didn’t have to be Kupp getting the ball. He just got it a lot because he’s the best WR in the league and was often open. If Dak throws to Lamb or Gallup (or whoever) instead of Fehoko/Brown, the principles are still the same. The defense is still at a disadvantage if they have run-stop personnel on the field on a pass play, and vice versa.

On run plays for Dallas, Fehoko or Brown would have a clear advantage blocking a DB. Brown blocks almost like a TE anyway, and Fehoko will be big enough to be a very good blocker as well.

We know that Dallas wants to run the ball a lot this season, and in asking Fehoko to bulk up to be a TE Hybrid, I think Dallas is planning on running a lot more out of 3 WR sets. I think Brown’s sudden improvement (along with his great blocking) also gives a nice option to use as the 3rd receiver if they want to run out of that formation.

And if they try to use a LB on Fehoko… he’ll be going deep a lot, I think. He has improved by leaps and bounds and with his size and speed, he definitely can cause some problems for defenses.

It could be very effective for Dallas… particularly before Gallup is back.

I know none of this is groundbreaking or anything, but it is how I expect Dallas to use Fehoko (and possibly Brown) as a pseudo TE. This video gives some very good examples of what I’m talking about. And Kollmann is just so good. If you have 15 minutes to spare, it is well worth it.

I will tell you that the video is sponsored, so from about 7:53 to 9:00 he talks about the sponsor. When you get to the part where he starts talking about it, just fast forward to the 9:00 mark to skip it if you wish.

Anyway, here is the video. I hope you enjoy.


Great post.
This is exactly the kind of thinking our offense needs. We have stayed mostly conventional in our 3 WR sets which has continued to make us predictable. Fehoko and Noah Brown’s size in a 12 personnel package should be used as a weapon not just a footnote.
 

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Simi is 6'4, 220 lbs and runs a 4.3. We don't need him to be a TE. We need him to be a receiver that can stretch the field.

This concept of him adding weight to be a TE/receiver is not a good idea.
He’s already added the weight, so it is a done deal.

And he will be a WR. He will go out on plenty of routes. The rams used Kupp like this… look at how many passes he caught.

Fehoko/Brown will just be blocking on more plays than most WR’s.

Assuming that this is the way they plan to utilize them, of course.

Thanks for reading and commenting man.
 

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Solid post and most is agreeable.

I would look at running a 2 rb set, 12 personnel (Shultz and Ferguson) and 11 personal (clean, or with Noah Brown or Fehoko. When Gallup gets back even 4 or 5 WR sets in bunch formation.

There would be some jumbo packages with McGovern involved also. Also see a package play or 2 on games days including Turpin and Lamb on reverses.

MM and KM seemed to be good for 1 a game when we were in the game.
 

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good post. worth the read. in the video i thought he said 86% of the time they were in 11 personnel? it was 25% of all plays were running plays from 11. maybe i read your post wrong.

it's sad that a good post like this makes me think of ridiculous posts on this board. at the start of the video JJ talks about how CK and he will line up in the slot....that must make them WR3 like CeeDee. and if only we still had our CK in Switzer :lmao:
Yeah, that’s what he said. 86% of all plays was out of 11 personnel. 25% of all plays were RUNS out of 11 personnel. So the rest out of 11 personnel were passes.

That is a lot for both of those.
 

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He’s already added the weight, so it is a done deal.

And he will be a WR. He will go out on plenty of routes. The rams used Kupp like this… look at how many passes he caught.

Fehoko/Brown will just be blocking on more plays than most WR’s.

Assuming that this is the way they plan to utilize them, of course.

Thanks for reading and commenting man.

Loved reading your post. It was an interesting read.

I'm just not too keen on Fehoko putting on weight and being used as a hybrid. I think he can block just fine without the weight.

Cooper Kupp baffles me on why he is so productive. His is 6'0, 200, and runs a 4.62. Too slow to be a receiver. But is one of the top receivers in the NFL.

I can see Fehoko fitting that role as how they used Kupp. He is having a tremendous camp. I see him fitting that role better than any of our receivers even over Gallup.
 

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Sounds like mental part has clicked and now he can utilize his physical. If he gets open, get him the ball. Make him another weapon the defense has to account for. More guys like that, more dangerous our offense becomes
 
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