CFZ What Would You Have Done at WR?

Acceptablename · Sep 24, 2022

817Gill said:
I’ve seen some outlandish reasoning for why the team should have kept the 3 WR’s together. Not sure if we understand how people build rosters but there’s no such thing as paying big deals to 3 WR’s. That just an insane way to allocate your cap funds.

Yes the vaccine and heart/passion issues were thrown around for Coop, but those were more as pros and cons for which WR to keep. The decision to only pay 2 guys moving forward was obvious, they just had to decide who.

The hope is Gallup is a good WR2 at half the cost of Cooper and Lamb steps into the WR1 role and gets the big bucks.

I’m not saying that will happen but the plan wasn’t crazy. Cooper playing well has nothing to do with it, we didn’t trade him due to not being able to play well.

You can’t keep all three once they get off rookie deals and you can’t pay two number 1’s (poor roster management) so you have only two options. A) Cooper and Gallup or B) Lamb and Gallup. Team chose B and it’s not an illogical one. Lamb is younger and was drafted by them. Coop is good but you know his highs. Lamb has the upside to maybe be more so they bet on that.

I know some (most) of us are prisoners of the moment so Coop’s stock is sky high right now while Lamb’s may not be. But by stepping back and looking at the two options outlined in the previous paragraph, what would y’all have done?

I think it was completely logical to bet on Ceedee your first round pick as we know what we have in Cooper.

FO gambled and lost. Gap savings vs throw away season

black label · Sep 24, 2022

doesnt matter with a tool that cant beat the god bra

Rockport · Sep 24, 2022

817Gill said:
I’ve seen some outlandish reasoning for why the team should have kept the 3 WR’s together. Not sure if we understand how people build rosters but there’s no such thing as paying big deals to 3 WR’s. That just an insane way to allocate your cap funds.

Yes the vaccine and heart/passion issues were thrown around for Coop, but those were more as pros and cons for which WR to keep. The decision to only pay 2 guys moving forward was obvious, they just had to decide who.

The hope is Gallup is a good WR2 at half the cost of Cooper and Lamb steps into the WR1 role and gets the big bucks.

I’m not saying that will happen but the plan wasn’t crazy. Cooper playing well has nothing to do with it, we didn’t trade him due to not being able to play well.

You can’t keep all three once they get off rookie deals and you can’t pay two number 1’s (poor roster management) so you have only two options. A) Cooper and Gallup or B) Lamb and Gallup. Team chose B and it’s not an illogical one. Lamb is younger and was drafted by them. Coop is good but you know his highs. Lamb has the upside to maybe be more so they bet on that.

I know some (most) of us are prisoners of the moment so Coop’s stock is sky high right now while Lamb’s may not be. But by stepping back and looking at the two options outlined in the previous paragraph, what would y’all have done?

I think it was completely logical to bet on Ceedee your first round pick as we know what we have in Cooper.

No idea what I would have done. I wasn’t there analyzing draft picks. I wasn’t there analyzing free agents. I wasn’t there because I’m just a fan like the rest of us. I wasn’t there at each and every OTA, Mini camp, training camp practice because I’m just a fan like the rest of us. I wasn’t there during every WR meeting. I wasn’t there during every time Dak had the Wr’s over at his house for throwing sessions. I wasn’t there in the locker room to see how the WR’s get along with everyone else. I wasn’t there because I’m just a no nothing fan like the rest of us. If you pretend to know what you would do, then you’re just pretending.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 24, 2022

stiletto said:
Sorry pal, just saw the last message and it sure seemed like you were a Jed defender. Sorry if I am mistaken, only going by what I read. I don't follow your posts but will keep an eye out. Always looking for a good bounty in the future.

Aye you might catch me defending them more than many but I didn’t do it in that post and I won’t do it in regards to how they handled this offseason..maybe if it works but this is not how a winner is made.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 24, 2022

bsbellomy said:
I think the fact that Amari is going off so far this season is the issue.

It shouldn’t be though. They didn’t get rid of him because he’s a bad player. We know what Coop is. I just don’t think that’s a move you gauge after 2 games. People tried to do it after one. We won’t know if that was the right move until at least the season is over.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 24, 2022

BAT said:
Gregory's team didnt bother to have Jones take the language out, they just signed with Denver.

That’s not what happened according to this article.

According to reports, the defender was willing to accept less money to stay in Dallas, but after agreeing on a dollar amount, the front office wanted to go back in and add a clause to the contract.

This reeks of Stephen and bailing out on the contract. A contract was agreed but then wanted to add language to it? They didn’t want to sign him IMO.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 24, 2022

BAT said:
Jimmy Johnson says hello.

Who was Jimmy Johnson traded to? I must’ve missed that. You guys keep replying with Jimmy and I’m not sure why.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 24, 2022

RustyBourneHorse said:
I'd firstly only let Coop go if I was being offered a first or two seconds. Then, I'd offer a deal for AJ Brown as I'd have extra picks to play with.

Nobody was trading a first for Cooper. You got a 5th because that’s what he was worth. He’s not Tyreke Hill or Davante Adams….

BoyzBlaster · Sep 24, 2022

I'm guessing we will see a number of posters who said anything from "good riddance" to "non-issue" when Cooper left - and there were a LOT of them - changing their tune now. He was underrated by a lot of zoners.

CowboyoWales · Sep 24, 2022

Acceptablename said:
FO gambled and lost. Gap savings vs throw away season

Yep, this was a season to see the recent draftee's , balance the CAP and keep some money available for Randy.

Just focusing on the WR'er's I'm sure Jerry (as well as the lesser reason's) also saw how much we were paying Coop and didnt really appreciate that his presence was not only there to receive, but was to garner double coverage to free up others.

America's Cowboy · Sep 24, 2022

After 2 games to start the 2022 season...

Cedrick Wilson has played both games, yet only caught 2 passes for a total of 20 yards with the Dolphins.

Noah Brown has played both games, and has caught 10 passes for a total of 159 yards for a 15.9 yards/reception average with 1 TD for the Cowboys.

Looks like keeping Noah Brown while letting Cedrick Wilson go via free agency was the correct decision.

America's Cowboy · Sep 24, 2022

BoyzBlaster said:
I'm guessing we will see a number of posters who said anything from "good riddance" to "non-issue" when Cooper left - and there were a LOT of them - changing their tune now. He was underrated by a lot of zoners.

Not me. I understand and even said he would get let go because of being overpaid too much and how it was affecting the Cowboys moving forward with their salary cap.

CowboyoWales · Sep 24, 2022

TheMarathonContinues said:
That’s not what happened according to this article.

According to reports, the defender was willing to accept less money to stay in Dallas, but after agreeing on a dollar amount, the front office wanted to go back in and add a clause to the contract.

This reeks of Stephen and bailing out on the contract. A contract was agreed but then wanted to add language to it? They didn’t want to sign him IMO.

According to reports, Daddy Jones was furious with RG's pending signing in Denver and took personal control of negotiations (once Stephen failed), using the one talent his has, charm. Now if the contract Stephen subsequently put on the table containing this odious clause wouldnt RG just bypass the son and go to the organ grinder saying ....ive accepted less money to stay in Dallas, how about removing the clause.

This one's all on the Denver based agent....imho. Daddy's anger is a reaction that his release Coop and pay for Randy strategy collapsed in tatters.

USArmyVet · Sep 24, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
After 2 games to start the 2022 season...

Cedrick Wilson has played both games, yet only caught 2 passes for a total of 20 yards with the Dolphins.

Noah Brown has played both games, and has caught 10 passes for a total of 159 yards for a 15.9 yards/reception average with 1 TD for the Cowboys.

Looks like keeping Noah Brown while letting Cedrick Wilson go via free agency was the correct decision.

Wilson is the #3 WR in Miami and the #4 receiving target whereas Brown is playing the #2 role so far for Dallas. When Brown was the #4 and #5 WR option in 2021 he had 16 catches for 184 yards for the season. While playing the #3 and #4 WR roles last season Wilson had 45 catches for 602 yards.....so I am not sure what your point is.

That said, in week 1 with Dak Brown had 5 catches for 68 yards on 9 targets with a 13.6 yards per catch while playing 61 offensive snaps.
In week 2 with Rush Brown had 5 catches for 91 yards and 1 td on 5 targets with a 18.2 yards per catch while playing 52 offensive snaps.

America's Cowboy · Sep 24, 2022

USArmyVet said:
Wilson is the #3 WR in Miami and the #4 receiving target whereas Brown is playing the #2 role so far for Dallas. When Brown was the #4 and #5 WR option in 2021 he had 16 catches for 184 yards for the season. While playing the #3 and #4 WR roles last season Wilson had 45 catches for 602 yards.....so I am not sure what your point is.

My point is Noah Brown is proving he is pretty good when given a chance. Even if Cedrick Wilson is the #3 WR in Miami, don't tell me the Dolphins don't run plenty of 3 receiver sets. Plus, if he is their #3 WR, it means he would be covered by the weaker DB. Why is Wilson not getting open and making opportunities for himself to catch more balls?

USArmyVet · Sep 24, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
My point is Noah Brown is proving he is pretty good when given a chance. Even if Cedrick Wilson is the #3 WR in Miami, don't tell me the Dolphins don't rub plenty of 3 receiver sets. Plus, if he is their #3 WR, it means he would be covered by the weaker DB. Why is Wilson not getting open and making opportunities for himself to catch more balls?

My guess is because he is the #3 WR and #4 receiving target and has only had 3 targets this season which goes toward his QB's reads and check downs.

That said CeeDee Lamb has 9 catches for 104 yards on 22 targets so as a #1 WR why is he not getting open and making opportunities for himself?

America's Cowboy · Sep 24, 2022

USArmyVet said:
My guess is because he is the #3 WR and #4 receiving target and has only had 3 targets this season which goes toward his QB's reads and check downs.

That said CeeDee Lamb has 9 catches for 104 yards on 22 targets so as a #1 WR why is he not getting open and making opportunities for himself?

CeeDee has been getting double and triple teamed. Watch the films. They don't lie. What has Wilson done in single coverage? Nothing. At least Noah Brown has taken advantage of his single coverage. Cowboys are proving they were right to let Wilson go while keeping Brown.

StarChamber_33 · Sep 24, 2022

Hawkeye19 said:
1. False dilemma. We did not “have” to trade or cut Amari due to his cap figure. We are sitting on over 20 mil right now.

2. If we did decide to trade him, we should have kept it quiet but by blabbing about it early we telegraphed the move and gave Cleveland all the leverage in the negotiation.

3. JJ is not being transparent IMO. The fact Coop missed two games for the reason he did pissed JJ off. His comments at the time said as much, and his comments to open TC this year listing “availability” as the key reason Coop and Collins are no longer here reinforces it.

Coop pissed JJ off and earned a ticket to Cleveland pure and simple. When JJ pays you big $$$ he expects you to put the team first. Coop didn’t and got canned, and now JJ is trying to control the narrative so he doesn’t look like a petty, vindictive, spiteful owner

All good points.. I'll add calling Dak the black Kirk Cousins didn't help Cooper's case either lol. Granted it's purely speculative that it was said, but Dak's relationship with him changed drastically for the worse over the course of last season.

Zekeats · Sep 24, 2022

renegotiated Cooper and tried to resign a guy who just blew his knee out to a lesser deal. Woulda bought Beasley back too.

Hawkeye19 · Sep 24, 2022

StarChamber_33 said:
All good points.. I'll add calling Dak the black Kirk Cousins didn't help Cooper's case either lol. Granted it's purely speculative that it was said, but Dak's relationship with him changed drastically for the worse over the course of last season.

Wow… never heard that rumor. Dallas puts the D in drama lol

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