When did a reception become three steps?

RonnieT24

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Does someone have a gif or clip of the play? I don't think he actually tucks the ball away. He looks like he's trying to but it gets punched out before he pulls the ball into his body.

It's not available on demand yet.. I will look at it and post it when it is..
 

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That play late in the game where Giant caught it clearly in control, got two feet down, turned(a “football move”) and it clearly got knocked out.

They said he needed three steps. Huh?
since when is tackling a WR in wide open view on prime time game not a PI in the endzone? that ticky tack 15 yarders on Wilson., I saw 4 holds on the NYG OL that were obvious and not called mean the refs were horrible once again.
 
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But a catch in the end zone or to the sideline does not require 3 steps. :huh:
If you take three steps and fall to the ground while extending the ball with one hand. And the ground knocks it out. It’s not a catch though!
 

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Personally I'd be saying we got away with one.. I don't adapt my view of the game when it favors my team. I just want the game called fairly both ways and too many times it just isn't. They called Joseph for the facemask (though I think it should have just been hands to the face) but that was legit call. They ignored the guy pulling Parsons to the ground by the face mask. Just call it even both ways and let the chips fall where they may.
You need too watch a Green Bay game and see how many holding calls GB gets away with. On a regular basis...it's a dozen if not more. It's disgusting.
 

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That play late in the game where Giant caught it clearly in control, got two feet down, turned(a “football move”) and it clearly got knocked out.

They said he needed three steps. Huh?
That was one of the points that went against Dez's uncatch. His 3rd "step" was as he was falling to the ground, so they didn't count it as a step.
 

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NFL continues to try to make rules for something that is common sense. He caught the ball and tucked it away and turned upfield. I mean, there is no more rule needed for a catch
That's how it should be, but they need it to be better defined and less subjective, so they add qualifiers.
 

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It's crazy that the NFL makes all the changes they've made to increase scoring but complicates the hell out of defining what a catch is.

That rules should define that play as a catch.
 
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Well that's a different conversation. As Floaty said, the catch rule has been so mangled over the years because refs couldn't call the original rule as written without some really bad missed calls.

But as the rule is written, and again the in studio officiating analyst clarified it, that in those situations they are instructed to look for a third step to complete the catch and football move and Shepard only had two steps.

I have no problem with that, either. The officials have had so much trouble with that rule that it is better to give them a strict standard than an arbitrary one. It may result in some calls we don't like, but I can live with that if it's consistent. It's the inconsistency that bothers me more than anything.
 

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Oh, you know I love a good catch thread. Let's actually break out the video and ALL the rules though. My emphasis in red.

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
This is quite simple. You can't turn upfield until AFTER you have control and 2 feet on the ground. In the video below, at the 2nd foot down, Sheppard is already heading upfield. You can't "turn" upfield when you're already headed that way. This is just like the point I made with the Waller no fumble last Thanksgiving which no one could answer and just kept screaming malfeasance! Repeating inaccuracies don't make them true. The rules are clear, just like they were on the Dez no-catch. The "turning upfield" football move is designed for a play where a receiver stops, faces the QB and either jumps up or stays with 2 feet on the ground and then "turns" to run upfield. This clearly wasn't that. This is your answer @silvernblu . Appreciate those who ask the questions and don't just immediately jump to conspiracy victimhood.

Sheppard-INCP-R.gif
 

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Can someone post a video of the play in question? I may have missed it

Edit: never mind it's right above me lol
 

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Oh, you know I love a good catch thread. Let's actually break out the video and ALL the rules though. My emphasis in red.

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
This is quite simple. You can't turn upfield until AFTER you have control and 2 feet on the ground. In the video below, at the 2nd foot down, Sheppard is already heading upfield. You can't "turn" upfield when you're already headed that way. This is just like the point I made with the Waller no fumble last Thanksgiving which no one could answer and just kept screaming malfeasance! Repeating inaccuracies don't make them true. The rules are clear, just like they were on the Dez no-catch. The "turning upfield" football move is designed for a play where a receiver stops, faces the QB and either jumps up or stays with 2 feet on the ground and then "turns" to run upfield. This clearly wasn't that. This is your answer @silvernblu . Appreciate those who ask the questions and don't just immediately jump to conspiracy victimhood.

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Dude talk about seeing what you wanna see.. The guy literally has the ball tucked against his body when it gets punched out..


Secured the catch? Check .. Dude is so secure that he even takes one hand OFF the ball as he comes down.
Both feet down? Check .Easy enough to see..
Football move? Check .. He reached back to catch the ball then turns upfield.. I hear tell they do that in football.. but I could be wrong.
People who hate the Cowboy see it as an incomplete pass? Check.. Like clockwork..
 
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Oh, you know I love a good catch thread. Let's actually break out the video and ALL the rules though. My emphasis in red.

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
This is quite simple. You can't turn upfield until AFTER you have control and 2 feet on the ground. In the video below, at the 2nd foot down, Sheppard is already heading upfield. You can't "turn" upfield when you're already headed that way. This is just like the point I made with the Waller no fumble last Thanksgiving which no one could answer and just kept screaming malfeasance! Repeating inaccuracies don't make them true. The rules are clear, just like they were on the Dez no-catch. The "turning upfield" football move is designed for a play where a receiver stops, faces the QB and either jumps up or stays with 2 feet on the ground and then "turns" to run upfield. This clearly wasn't that. This is your answer @silvernblu . Appreciate those who ask the questions and don't just immediately jump to conspiracy victimhood.

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Thanks for the detailed analysis. Seems the word "after" there in the rules is the key word here. Makes sense.
 

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This would have been a fumble when I played, control + 2 feet down.

The new "football move" requirement is just ridiculous and unnecessary.

Oh, you know I love a good catch thread. Let's actually break out the video and ALL the rules though. My emphasis in red.

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
This is quite simple. You can't turn upfield until AFTER you have control and 2 feet on the ground. In the video below, at the 2nd foot down, Sheppard is already heading upfield. You can't "turn" upfield when you're already headed that way. This is just like the point I made with the Waller no fumble last Thanksgiving which no one could answer and just kept screaming malfeasance! Repeating inaccuracies don't make them true. The rules are clear, just like they were on the Dez no-catch. The "turning upfield" football move is designed for a play where a receiver stops, faces the QB and either jumps up or stays with 2 feet on the ground and then "turns" to run upfield. This clearly wasn't that. This is your answer @silvernblu . Appreciate those who ask the questions and don't just immediately jump to conspiracy victimhood.

Sheppard-INCP-R.gif
 

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Dude talk about seeing what you wanna see.. The guy literally has the ball tucked against his body when it gets punched out..


Secured the catch? Check .. Dude is so secure that he even takes one hand OFF the ball as he comes down.
Both feet down? Check .Easy enough to see..
Football move? Check .. He reached back to catch the ball then turns upfield.. I hear tell they do that in football.. but I could be wrong.
People who hate the Cowboy see it as an incomplete pass? Check.. Like clockwork..
According to what @MarcusRock posted, the act of turning upfield (or any football move) must be made after both feet are down. It appears that he has already turned upfield by the time his second foot touches down. So another football move would be required to complete the catch (another step, etc).
 

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Changed a couple of years ago. In order to further try to clarify the "football" move aspect of the rule.

It was the correct call last night per the rules.

I agree but the rule is ridiculous. Why is a sideline catch still a catch just because both feet got down? Where is the extra football move there? Seems to me they went out of bounds before completing another football move. Two feet or some other body part down in the field of play with clear possession is and should be a catch. If a defender makes a great play a split second later so be it. It was that way for 100+ years and everyone knew what a catch was and what a fumble was. Now, it’s subjective and called differently from game to game.
 

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Oh, you know I love a good catch thread. Let's actually break out the video and ALL the rules though. My emphasis in red.

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
This is quite simple. You can't turn upfield until AFTER you have control and 2 feet on the ground. In the video below, at the 2nd foot down, Sheppard is already heading upfield. You can't "turn" upfield when you're already headed that way. This is just like the point I made with the Waller no fumble last Thanksgiving which no one could answer and just kept screaming malfeasance! Repeating inaccuracies don't make them true. The rules are clear, just like they were on the Dez no-catch. The "turning upfield" football move is designed for a play where a receiver stops, faces the QB and either jumps up or stays with 2 feet on the ground and then "turns" to run upfield. This clearly wasn't that. This is your answer @silvernblu . Appreciate those who ask the questions and don't just immediately jump to conspiracy victimhood.

Sheppard-INCP-R.gif

that clearly shows it’s a fumble even by the current rules. He has possession, gets two feet down, turns upfield, begins his third step, then the ball is knocked free. That’s a fumble the day football was invented and it’s still one today even with the stupid rule.
 

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Dude talk about seeing what you wanna see.. The guy literally has the ball tucked against his body when it gets punched out..


Secured the catch? Check .. Dude is so secure that he even takes one hand OFF the ball as he comes down.
Both feet down? Check .Easy enough to see..
Football move? Check .. He reached back to catch the ball then turns upfield.. I hear tell they do that in football.. but I could be wrong.
People who hate the Cowboy see it as an incomplete pass? Check.. Like clockwork..

You have the verbiage there in clear English and still you will twist it to play victim. No mention of the emphasis of "AFTER" control and 2 feet, eh Ronnie?

I don't adapt my view of the game when it favors my team.
Why adapt your view when you can just lie about what happened? :lmao2:
 
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