When did a reception become three steps?

RonnieT24

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Thanks for the detailed analysis. Seems the word "after" there in the rules is the key word here. Makes sense.

No it doesn't.. The receiver is facing the sideline when his second foot hits.. He turns upfield as he is tucking the ball away in the same motion. At that point the ACT of TAKING that third step should satisfy the "football move" requirement.. since.. you know... there is running in football.. Or so I hear.. The defender should not have to wait until the third step hits the ground before he tries to make a play on the ball.
 

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What football move did Lamb make on his TD after getting two feet down in bounds? Why is that still a catch? Does falling to the ground out of bounds qualify as a football move? The rule is ridiculous!
 

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that clearly shows it’s a fumble even by the current rules. He has possession, gets two feet down, turns upfield, begins his third step, then the ball is knocked free. That’s a fumble the day football was invented and it’s still one today even with the stupid rule.

Read the red part again. It's plain English.
 

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No it doesn't.. The receiver is facing the sideline when his second foot hits.. He turns upfield as he is tucking the ball away in the same motion. At that point the ACT of TAKING that third step should satisfy the "football move" requirement.. since.. you know... there is running in football.. Or so I hear.. The defender should not have to wait until the third step hits the ground before he tries to make a play on the ball.

And yet the rule says you have to take a 3rd step. This ain't what you want it to be, it is what the rulebook says. Or is that too written to screw the Cowboys? You emotional kneejerks are funny.
 

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It’s been a while. Heck I think lynard skynard wrote a song about it
 

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You have the verbiage there in clear English and still you will twist it to play victim. No mention of the emphasis of "AFTER" control and 2 feet, eh Ronnie?


Why adapt your view when you can just lie about what happened? :lmao2:

You're the one that's lying. The receiver got both feet down and turned up to take his third step but the ball was punched out. That third step is already a "football move" and there is no requirement that it has to be completed to qualify. Unless you are trying to argue that taking a step with the ball under your arm is not "common to the game?" Which would make sense given you clearly watch a different game than I do. In the game I watch guys make steps with the ball under their arm pretty much every play.. Which would kinds render the act of doing so.. "common to the game.."
 

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What football move did Lamb make on his TD after getting two feet down in bounds? Why is that still a catch? Does falling to the ground out of bounds qualify as a football move? The rule is ridiculous!
Actually yes I believe so.
 

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The catch rule still has flaws because no matter how you write the rule. There will always be some level of subjectivity.

that being said. That was the right call. I wish it wasn’t. But it was.
 

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What football move did Lamb make on his TD after getting two feet down in bounds? Why is that still a catch? Does falling to the ground out of bounds qualify as a football move? The rule is ridiculous!

That's the old "going to the ground" rule that still exists on the books in a different form (i.e., not taking precedence over the main catch rule like it did in Dez' case)

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Notes:
(1) Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.
(2) If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an
incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.

(3) A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture (See Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9) throughout the entire
process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.
(4) If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is
muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the
loose ball.
(5) If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any
part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not
necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.
Lamb maintained control, thus, his was a catch.
 

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And yet the rule says you have to take a 3rd step. This ain't what you want it to be, it is what the rulebook says. Or is that too written to screw the Cowboys? You emotional kneejerks are funny.

Show me the part of the rule that states you have to take a third step.. Where is it? Post it..

I'll wait..

Never mind.. I would die of old age waiting because there is no such language in the rule.. It says you have to take "an additional step" after securing the ball with both feet down. So it could be the FIRST step after those two components are satisfied. The whole "third step" narrative is made up by clowns who want to excuse the refs.. for reasons only they can explain..
 

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That's the old "going to the ground" rule that still exists on the books in a different form (i.e., not taking precedence over the main catch rule like it did in Dez' case)

RULE 8
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Notes:
(1) Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.
(2) If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an

incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.
(3) A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture (See Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9) throughout the entire
process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.
(4) If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is
muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the
loose ball.
(5) If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any
part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not
necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.
Lamb maintained control, thus, his was a catch.


Right because even if the giants wr fell to the ground after 2 steps but held control. It would still be a catch. End zone or not.
 

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You're the one that's lying. The receiver got both feet down and turned up to take his third step but the ball was punched out. That third step is already a "football move" and there is no requirement that it has to be completed to qualify.

(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step
, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

Are you really interpreting this as "begins to take" an additional step? Lol. The part before that says "performs." Did he "begin" to tuck the ball away or did he perform it? Contort yourself all you want but you look ridiculous.
 

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Right because even if the giants wr fell to the ground after 2 steps but held control. It would still be a catch. End zone or not.

Correct. Falling and maintaining possession completes the "time" element of a catch. The 3 parts are control, 2 feet or another body part, and time. Time is the football move. If you can't do a football move, you need to have time elapse while in possession of the ball.
 

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That play late in the game where Giant caught it clearly in control, got two feet down, turned(a “football move”) and it clearly got knocked out.

They said he needed three steps. Huh?
All BS. That was a catch. The bonehead ref in the booth is as big an idiot as the ones on the field last night. We got screwed out of 14 points by poor officiating.
 

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Show me the part of the rule that states you have to take a third step.. Where is it? Post it..

I'll wait..

Never mind.. I would die of old age waiting because there is no such language in the rule.. It says you have to take "an additional step" after securing the ball with both feet down. So it could be the FIRST step after those two components are satisfied. The whole "third step" narrative is made up by clowns who want to excuse the refs.. for reasons only they can explain..

I don't adapt my view of the game when it favors my team.
Lol.
 

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(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

Are you really interpreting this as "begins to take" an additional step? Lol. The part before that says "performs." Did he "begin" to tuck the ball away or did he perform it? Contort yourself all you want but you look ridiculous.


The ball was tucked away before his feet got to the ground. You can play clubhouse lawyer till the cows come home.. it won't change the fact that that was a terrible call. First you try and claim it has to be a "third step" then when called on it you are now trying to twist it into "has to be completed?" GTFOH. Dude caught the ball, got both feet down, tucked it to his chest and turned up to take a step and run.. 50 million people saw it.. No amount of your crap is going to make anybody unsee it. But I shall waste no more of my time on you.. I know you revel in justifying when the Cowboys get screwed.. You can revel without me..
 

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I agree but the rule is ridiculous. Why is a sideline catch still a catch just because both feet got down? Where is the extra football move there? Seems to me they went out of bounds before completing another football move. Two feet or some other body part down in the field of play with clear possession is and should be a catch. If a defender makes a great play a split second later so be it. It was that way for 100+ years and everyone knew what a catch was and what a fumble was. Now, it’s subjective and called differently from game to game.
Because you still have to maintain possession of the ball going out of bounds? That's the crux of the issue here; he dropped the ball.
 

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Here's a question; would there be a 4-page thread on this site had the ball been lost out of bounds? I think not :).
 

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The ball was tucked away before his feet got to the ground. You can play clubhouse lawyer till the cows come home.. it won't change the fact that that was a terrible call. First you try and claim it has to be a "third step" then when called on it you are now trying to twist it into "has to be completed?" GTFOH. Dude caught the ball, got both feet down, tucked it to his chest and turned up to take a step and run.. 50 million people saw it.. No amount of your crap is going to make anybody unsee it. But I shall waste no more of my time on you.. I know you revel in justifying when the Cowboys get screwed.. You can revel without me..

What is unclear about "take a third step" after the word "performs" is mentioned? I posted the neutral rules verbatim. The one getting into a Karen craze is you because you got busted trying to pretend to be unbiased and then go on a banshee rant when the evidence says you're wrong. Literally no one is making the point you're making. They just exited stage left quietly. Like I said Ronnie. You're a liar. I've busted you lying about what you "saw" at a game one time and you lie on these boards when pinned with evidence. There are a few of you here like that and I like to put a thumb on y'all so you see your own nature. I don't even go looking for you. Y'all come to me when the evidence is presented because you fear being wrong. And I almost always present evidence. Don't expect y'all to change but at least you can't deny what's in print.
 
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