Does Rush read defenses and see the field better than Dak?

Rayman70 · Oct 4, 2022

FTWayne said:
How do we not know that they have?

watch the play calls. Watch how the game is called.Rush isnt changing things much at the line. Dak does.

TWOK11 · Oct 4, 2022

Section446 said:
Yes, but Dak isn't very smart.

Just say what you really mean so we can all be relieved of your presence.

FTWayne · Oct 4, 2022

Rayman70 said:
watch the play calls. Watch how the game is called.Rush isnt changing things much at the line. Dak does.

Dak is easily fooled by the defense, he changes to pass when ever the defense crowds the line.

FTWayne · Oct 4, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
According to YOU just a couple weeks ago Dak isn't capable of winning a ring anyways.

High-five. :clap:

RonnieT24 · Oct 4, 2022

RomoIsGod said:
Dak obviously has a better arm and is more athletic. But is Rush a better at seeing the field? Reading defenses and a better game manager?

I think Rush is doing well at what he is being asked to do. But make no mistake about it.. the coaching staff is helping him a lot. The run/pass ratio has been close to 50/50 in all three of his starts this year.. They have run more 12 personnel than before.. They have made his reads much easier because there has been only two receivers to read and the tight end running to the flat and stopping while the RB blocks then leaks out to the other flat and stops. His completion percentage, 60.8, would be great.. if this was 1992... And it's a lot easier to manage the game when the defense is giving up 15 points a game.. Rush is fine.. he's just not as good as Dak.. A couple of those throws he made Sunday were almost "close your eyes and heave it" throws. That can't go on forever.. At some point Goodell is going to call down to the refs and make sure some of those interceptions get the flags picked up. This team needs a more talented QB to get to the next level. Now if Dak keeps playing as he did against Tampa we aren't getting that next level QB. But if he gets back to normal, he's light years better than Rush and we can ride him and this defense pretty damn far..

Blackrain · Oct 4, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
What's with all the talk about the better arm??? Clearly RUSH has a good arm, how many uncatchable passes have you seen

Exactly it's nice to see receivers hit in stride and making catches that NFL receiver should make.

That said Daks arm will only be as good as his thumb will let him grip the ball and this all remains to be seen.

It is not a given that Daks arm accuracy or any of the mechanics that contribute will be exactly the same until we see how his thumb has healed and if he can properly grip the ball.
In short if any of you know anything about throwing a football you will realize and have to admit that being able to grip the ball properly has a great bearing on how you will be able to throw it

kskboys · Oct 4, 2022

Ken said:
How, pray tell, does he have the 6th highest Rating in NFL history if this is true?

He must be the luckiest player in the history of the nfl then, if what you say is true.

6th highest rating, and most pundits rate him around 7-12 in the NFL today. Think about that, think hard. Can you come to any conclusions?

Blackrain · Oct 4, 2022

FTWayne said:
Dak is easily fooled by the defense, he changes to pass when ever the defense crowds the line.

Romo used to do the same thing Ray Lewis would laugh about it Walk people up and Romo would check out of the run mostly because he liked to pass the ball anyway and was looking for an excuse.

But a smart defense knows how to manipulate a quarterback like that and get them doing what they want them to do Ray Lewis talked about it.

Cooper Rush tends to go with the play called like DAk did in the beginning of his career.

Now he gets paid like Peyton Manning so he figures he should be able to think like Peyton Manning why would he bother to listen to an offensive coordinator that makes 72k.

How could he possibly have a clue. Lol.

It's hysterical to watch history just repeat itself with different players on the same team

FTWayne · Oct 4, 2022

Ranching said:
Rush is throwing to his first or second read and trying not to lose the game....he can do this because of our defense. Dak goes through his progressions and trying to outscore teams....Now that he has a great defense he needs to dial it back and become a bit more bus driver, if you will. This needs to come from the play calling.

Is he throwing to the 1st and 2nd reads because his open and Dak's open are two different thinks. Clarify, Dak needs more seperation from the receiver before he will throw it.

quickccc · Oct 4, 2022

Cooper is being asked to do less... and it's simplified more than what Dak is asked.

If Dak were in the game, we'd go on a passing frenzy as Kellen would prefer ... because it's more of a closer, conservative game, Rush is not asked to take as many
chances in tight windows as Dak would dare to.

Case in point, we were actually running the ball well with Zeke vs Bucs, ..but Kellen chose to go more pass frenzy even when Bucs clearly counter scheming with zones, plus
they admitted that they " knew" Kellen was Not gonna stick/stay with the run game. They knew he was gonna stray away from it.

kskboys · Oct 4, 2022

FTWayne said:
Is he throwing to the 1st and 2nd reads because his open and Dak's open are two different thinks. Clarify, Dak needs more seperation from the receiver before he will throw it.

Rush is a prime example of a QB "throwing a WR open". That means that he throws the ball either before or right at the break. The break is a term denoting for when a player makes a cut. It's anticipation and instincts, and defines the difference between a proactionary and reactionary QB. Dak is more of the see receiver open, throw ball type. Rothlis was that way.

Slick · Oct 4, 2022

Whirlwin said:
I’m not even going to bother. He could have a ring and you would still blame him . What about Ezekiel Elliott tripping over his ego on the goal line against the Rams. What about Byron Jones missing the ball from Aaron Rodgers. Come on stop it you just don’t like the guy

I think it’s a legit question. I feel the same. What exactly has he done besides run up numbers on the NFC East? His record against winning teams isn’t worth his contract.

Fill us in please……..

Ranching · Oct 4, 2022

FTWayne said:
Is he throwing to the 1st and 2nd reads because his open and Dak's open are two different thinks. Clarify, Dak needs more seperation from the receiver before he will throw it.

He's throwing it quickly because that's the way the game is being called for him. It is a simplified offense for him, which is smart. With this defense, they need to call similar games for Dak.

Bullflop · Oct 4, 2022

RomoIsGod said:
Dak obviously has a better arm and is more athletic. But is Rush a better at seeing the field? Reading defenses and a better game manager?

I think it's fairly obvious that Rush sees the field and reads defenses better than Dak. It's also quite obvious that Dak has the stronger arm and is more athletic than Rush. I'm expecting more to be revealed in the upcoming games for both of them, though. Mike McCarthy does seem likely to proceed with Rush vs. the Rams and possibly Dak vs. the Eagles. He wants to see Dak throwing the ball in practice this week, before deciding who to go with after the Rams game. Dak appears to be progressing pretty well with his thumb and his grip on the ball, so let's not be terribly surprised to hear of him competing versus those villainous Philadelphia Eagles.

Acceptablename · Oct 4, 2022

RomoIsGod said:
Dak obviously has a better arm and is more athletic. But is Rush a better at seeing the field? Reading defenses and a better game manager?

Valid question did Rush have more time to get rid of the ball or less pressure

FTWayne · Oct 4, 2022

Ranching said:
He's throwing it quickly because that's the way the game is being called for him. It is a simplified offense for him, which is smart. With this defense, they need to call similar games for Dak.

I think Rush sees the field better and has better pocket awareness. That makes it look easier.

Blackrain · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
I think Rush is doing well at what he is being asked to do. But make no mistake about it.. the coaching staff is helping him a lot. The run/pass ratio has been close to 50/50 in all three of his starts this year.. They have run more 12 personnel than before.. They have made his reads much easier because there has been only two receivers to read and the tight end running to the flat and stopping while the RB blocks then leaks out to the other flat and stops. His completion percentage, 60.8, would be great.. if this was 1992... And it's a lot easier to manage the game when the defense is giving up 15 points a game.. Rush is fine.. he's just not as good as Dak.. A couple of those throws he made Sunday were almost "close your eyes and heave it" throws. That can't go on forever.. At some point Goodell is going to call down to the refs and make sure some of those interceptions get the flags picked up. This team needs a more talented QB to get to the next level. Now if Dak keeps playing as he did against Tampa we aren't getting that next level QB. But if he gets back to normal, he's light years better than Rush and we can ride him and this defense pretty damn far..

I'm going to definitely agree with you that our defense is a great help to both quarterbacks because so far we have allowed less points than the 85 bears in their first four games.

That said which normal is really Daks normal. Is it the first six games of last year

Or is it the last half of the season and the beginning of this year .

Or is it the complete unknown of what his normal is going to be like after this broken thumb.

Also I'm glad to see you agree with the conspiracy theory of the league pitting the refs against us on occasion.

Slick · Oct 4, 2022

Rayman70 said:
I think the staff is asking 2 much f Dak. If they use him the same way as Rush, he will be fine. SIMPLIFY THE PLAN.

He’s $40M QB1. What should they be asking of him?

kskboys · Oct 4, 2022

Ranching said:
He's throwing it quickly because that's the way the game is being called for him. It is a simplified offense for him, which is smart. With this defense, they need to call similar games for Dak.

That is a subject of conjecture. I don't think the O has changed at all. Different QB's, different reads.

FTWayne · Oct 4, 2022

kskboys said:
That is a subject of conjecture. I don't think the O has changed at all. Different QB's, different reads.

100 percent agree.

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