The Ratscums sent a lot of guys at Micah's knees

RonnieT24 · Oct 4, 2022

They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

nathanlt · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

Face full of knee when they are wearing a helmet? OUCH! You are one tough hombre...

Praxit · Oct 4, 2022

...interesting point, Ronnie. Since I was a Tailback in HS. I used instincts to find holes, and hips to skin off the tacklers. Then when contact approached i just lower a shoulder.

ONly for speculation and from empirical experience.

Micah has some advantage because of his speed, can allow him to beat angles when they come at him. But I guess this is long way around and surely will get you tired sooner.

DQ needs better spots for him.

Praxit · Oct 4, 2022

nathanlt said:
Face full of knee when they are wearing a helmet? OUCH! You are one tough hombre...

...Sean McCoy (Shady), used cut backs to avoid those knees if possible. Zeke doesnt and Pollard sometimes.

Jake · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

This is exactly why some of us are/were against Micah playing DE full time. He's relatively small there and teams will, smartly, run right at him.

He's a LB and pass rush specialist. He should line up at DE in obvious pass situations. If he's there on 1st and 10 I'm running at him every time.

youngjerryjones · Oct 4, 2022

i played mlb.. he is not your typical backer where he can lock out and shed...anthony barr looks like he's built for that. Micah wins with speed.. and he is young.. so as he gets older his speed will drop off but this will be directly replaced with better technique. DQ knows this so he needs to use him in match-ups where it's not so sexy... Micah just needs to do a better job on 1st Down and understand that play is not to get his sack and is a run down - we saw him do it last year.

It's the fact that his pass rushing has been so successful, now he needs to marry this back with his speed and instead of physically shedding the blocker anticipating where he needs to be and getting there first IMHO...he can do it it pops out on film he usually gets through the scrum with vision and not power.

Silver Surfer · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
... What's the counter for that?..

Move him off the line. Let him run, rush and tackle from the second level while the guys in front of him eat blocks.

Ranching · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

Drop your hips extend your arms and shed the blocker. They should be cutting him, I would.....within the rules, of course.

Mr_437 · Oct 4, 2022

Drop your hips, extend your arms, place your hands on the helmet or shoulder pads when the player drops his head, push his head down into the dirt, give a little ground so he doesn't roll into your legs, then go make the tackle and cuss out the OC!

America's Cowboy · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

Exactly what you said you did, bro. Give a knee HARD right into their grill and make their heads jerk back...possibly messing up their knecks and forcing them out of the game.

TequilaCowboy · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

If that's the case, then Micah is not being used properly. The offense knows where he will be lined up and scheming a blocker to cut him. He needs to be moved around more where they don't know where he will be. He can still rush the passer or defend the run, but at different positions. No wonder he was favoring his right side where he might have been hit repeatedly. DQ cannot have that continue.

thunderpimp91 · Oct 4, 2022

I fully expect that trend to continue. Biggest issue with him rushing the passer as much as he is will be him staying healthy a full year. When teams start to cut you don't have much of an option but to play more controlled, keep a good pad level, and keep the arms extended.

Parsons will have to adapt his style a bit, but DQ needs to protect his player too. Constantly change his alignment and don't be afraid to give him some snaps in coverage.

thunderpimp91 · Oct 4, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Exactly what you said you did, bro. Give a knee HARD right into their grill and make their heads jerk back...possibly messing up their knecks and forcing them out of the game.

I'm all for our best player not slamming his knee into the helmet/facemask of a 330 pound cutting Olineman. He would have better luck punching a brick wall.

StarOfGlory · Oct 4, 2022

I played MLB in college (Rutgers). Awareness is your best defense. If you see the block coming, shed the block before it happens. If you are engaged, you might be able to roll out of a sloppy block. Be springy and don’t lock into the ground. If I couldn’t get away from the block, I would let him roll into me, and sometimes come down on the blocker with my knees in his back or ribs, nice and hard. I was 6’4”, 245 in college, and could bench 400. There were times I just grabbed a smaller blocker and threw him aside. But there were times you didn’t see that big o-lineman coming. You just rolled with it best you can, get up and finish the play.

Thank you Roger Staubach for being the influence I needed to play football and receive a free education.

Fizziksman · Oct 4, 2022

unfortunately it's going to take Micah getting hurt until they ban being able to block low at the knees or excuse me thighs

thunderpimp91 · Oct 4, 2022

Fizziksman said:
unfortunately it's going to take Micah getting hurt until they ban being able to block low at the knees or excuse me thighs

I'm skeptical they would ever completely get rid of those blocks. You may see some modification as they have done in the past, but the league is fine with losing a Parsons/Watts/Bosa/etc. It's better for them than the alternative of losing a star QB.

RonnieT24 · Oct 4, 2022

nathanlt said:
Face full of knee when they are wearing a helmet? OUCH! You are one tough hombre...

Well to be completely honest it generally ended up being a face full of thigh more than knee but it got the job done. Usually if I was able to snap their head back with a thrusting leg in their face the message got delivered. But I'm old.. back then the defender could use any means necessary to get you to the ground so having people diving at my knees was not a frequent occurrence... but I know it was for our DEs and LBs.

RonnieT24 · Oct 4, 2022

thunderpimp91 said:
I fully expect that trend to continue. Biggest issue with him rushing the passer as much as he is will be him staying healthy a full year. When teams start to cut you don't have much of an option but to play more controlled, keep a good pad level, and keep the arms extended.

Parsons will have to adapt his style a bit, but DQ needs to protect his player too. Constantly change his alignment and don't be afraid to give him some snaps in coverage.

It's kinda funny that he is starting to get dinged as he plays more and more snaps at DE.. I am reminded of all the people screaming that "he's the same size as TJ Watt" to argue why he should always line up at DE. The same TJ Watt who has missed sizeable chunks of the season every year.. We need to come to terms with the fact that Parsons is simply not big enough to be a fulltime DE. Letting him play off the ball and chase plays down sideline to sideline is not the worst use of his talents.. and it will keep him healthy longer.

RonnieT24 · Oct 4, 2022

StarOfGlory said:
I played MLB in college (Rutgers). Awareness is your best defense. If you see the block coming, shed the block before it happens. If you are engaged, you might be able to roll out of a sloppy block. Be springy and don’t lock into the ground. If I couldn’t get away from the block, I would let him roll into me, and sometimes come down on the blocker with my knees in his back or ribs, nice and hard. I was 6’4”, 245 in college, and could bench 400. There were times I just grabbed a smaller blocker and threw him aside. But there were times you didn’t see that big o-lineman coming. You just rolled with it best you can, get up and finish the play.

Thank you Roger Staubach for being the influence I needed to play football and receive a free education.

Roger influenced a lot of us.. I think he was a big part of why I applied to Annapolis when I was in high school.. I got the appointment but decided not to go at the last minute.. cause I couldn't bare the thought of having my head shaved!! LOL!.. Look at me now!! But these things are important to 17 year olds!! It took me like 5 years to get my afro just right!!

john van brocklin · Oct 4, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They ran to his side a lot and cut blocked him in when he was at DE so he was forced to protect himself instead of trying to make a play. He's going to see a lot of that going forward. I was 5'7" 160 pounds in college so I never played d-line or linebacker.. My question for those of you who did play in the front seven. What's the counter for that? As a running back when people went after my legs my counter was to just give them a face full of knee. They might make the tackle but they would have to wait until they woke up to be congratulated by their teammates.

Hate to hear dirty pool like that going on !

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