Was Aikman overrated?

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mattjames2010 said:
Look folks, even when you adjust Aikman's stats for the modern era, it isn't impressive when compared to his peers. Now, you can make the argument that the style of offense held him back - but the simple fact is, we don't know. What we do know is, Aikman had a few great seasons in the league and the team being one of the most loaded teams in NFL history achieved a lot in those short years.

But I don't think Aikman is overrated (outside of Cowboys forums and pages) - people usually appropriately rate Aikman. Great QB surrounded by a ton of talent that elevated him. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Here in lies the question. For non Cowboys fans we hear how overrated Aikman was and we hear how overrated Emmitt was. But yet they had all this success by a bunch of overrated players lol. It's amazing.
 
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ditto but that easy for one weve been posting since 2018 and i have 10x the posts and likes says my level of commitment is exactly what i said, only difference back then is i had to egt Newpapers sports section and highlighter to go find stories and stats then debate with real people, who would not be a keyboard strong man because they would have to own it. call me liar in person and find out. i have 6 boxes of old Newpapers and old gear and trinkets form the old days, used to display them, all over the house

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RomoIsGod said:
Me and a buddy are in a disagreement. He says Aikman was overrated and he's in the Hall of Fame because he was on a great team and that he was a bus driver.
I said to him, without Aikman Cowboys don't win 3 Super Bowls if any at all. Aikman did what he had to do and it wasn't about gawdy stats but if Aikman had to put up big numbers than he could have.
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Overrated is a big word.

I think in our fan communtiy Aikman gets more credit than he deserves.

To me he was a good QB. But far from elite. With his skills he was a great fit for our system. But he also needed talent around him to be successful. You can see this when we were struggeling in the late 90s.
 
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Otis313 said:
Your friend sounds like he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed. Steelers fan?
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Usually this is what you hear from other fan bases. Emmitt would do nothing without the o-line, Aikman was overrated ect.. but yet all that success by a bunch of overrated players is amazing. The same people who knock Aikman for his stats are the same who discount Emmitt's stats lol.
 
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BourbonBalz said:
Much better than anything you’ve come up with.
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another opinion that you will lose as all opinion are opinion.


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BourbonBalz said:
I’d say they elevated each other. Let’s see. First overall draft pick. Check. Three Super Bowl titles and a Super Bowl MVP. Check. First ballot HOFer. Check. Apparently the ones that really matter don’t even remotely think he’s overrated. I’ll take their opinions over any on this little forum.
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I'm not interested in the team accomplishments when evaluating a single player - it's a desperation argument. You can't accurately evaluate a single player when you bunch in literal HOF and a bunch of all-pros that surrounded said player.

Someone brought up Stabauch earlier - Stabauch had a season, when adjusted, is one of the highest rated seasons EVER. Same with Steve Young. Same with Favre in the 90s. Elway has one. Dan Marino has one. Aikman does not. He had some really good or even great seasons, but they were never of all-time status.

And appeal to authority is a fallacy.
 
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JonesBoys said:
Here in lies the question. For non Cowboys fans we hear how overrated Aikman was and we hear how overrated Emmitt was. But yet they had all this success by a bunch of overrated players lol. It's amazing.
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Yes, those are the types of things we always hear from Cowboy haters. They change the argument based on the topic being discussed. Emmitt wasn’t that great because he had a great Oline. But if Oline is being discussed, they say the Oline wasn’t that good. Emmitt made them. Troy wasn’t that great. He just played in great teams. But they never say the same thing about Montana, who played with the best receiver ever and was also on great teams. You can always count on circular arguments from Cowboy haters.
 
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JonesBoys said:
Here in lies the question. For non Cowboys fans we hear how overrated Aikman was and we hear how overrated Emmitt was. But yet they had all this success by a bunch of overrated players lol. It's amazing.
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If someone says Smith is "overrated" they are wrong. Same as if they would say Larry Allen is overrated. I rarely see Smith outside of the top 5 in rankings - the most heated that debate gets is when he's put him next to Barry Sanders and people say he's better (He's not, and again, that's okay because he's still one of the all-time greats)
 
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blueblood70 said:
another opinion that you will lose as all opinion are opinion.


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I'm not interested in the team accomplishments when evaluating a single player - it's a desperation argument. You can't accurately evaluate a single player when you bunch in literal HOF and a bunch of all-pros that surrounded said player.

Someone brought up Stabauch earlier - Stabauch had a season, when adjusted, is one of the highest rated seasons EVER. Same with Steve Young. Same with Favre in the 90s. Elway has one. Dan Marino has one. Aikman does not. He had some really good or even great seasons, but they were never of all-time status.

And appeal to authority is a fallacy.
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I agree with you there, he never had an all time season like some of the QB's you mentioned. But give me a QB like Aikman who came up big in the biggest games and didn't crap his pants like some greats have. Steve Young only has 1 super bowl and he was surrounded by a great team, same with Brett Farve. It certainly means something that Aikman was able to win 3 in four years when in fact guys like Farve and Young only won 1 with all the talent they had.
 
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JonesBoys said:
I agree with you there, he never had an all time season like some of the QB's you mentioned. But give me a QB like Aikman who came up big in the biggest games and didn't crap his pants like some greats have. Steve Young only has 1 super bowl and he was surrounded by a great team, same with Brett Farve. It certainly means something that Aikman was able to win 3 in four years when in fact guys like Farve and Young only won 1 with all the talent they had.
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I think Aikman's biggest argument is his elevated play in the 92, 93, and 95 post-seasons. While I think Aikman had the ability to be an all-time great, his argument for this is a big "What if" - What if Aikman played in a more pass happy offense? It's a fun debate, but when we are debating what actually happened, it's hard to put Aikman over players we saw in a pass happy offenses that relied more heavily on QB play.

As I said earlier, Aikman is one of my favorite players - heck one of my favorite people. I love the guys honesty, even though many Cowboys fans have soured on his personality over the years. But he was a perfect QB for that team in the 90s for his leadership skills.
 
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