Video: Jimmy Johnson Speaks about Lamb route

MountaineerCowboy said:

Probably bout the same as being obsessed with someone they love and adore, like you and some people are with Dak.

You and other put in the same amount of energy when it comes to Dak. You're just of the opposite opinion.

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What makes you think I love and adore Dak Prescott? I’m not really a Dak homer. There are probably 10-14 QBs in the league I’d rather have than him.

Do you believe anyone who defends the QB when they don’t feel they deserve the blame for a particular play going wrong, for instance the already beaten to death Lamb int, is some sort of homer?

DoctorChicken said:

What makes you think I love and adore Dak Prescott? I’m not really a Dak homer. There are probably 10-14 QBs in the league I’d rather have than him.

Do you believe anyone who defends the QB when they don’t feel they deserve the blame for a particular play going wrong, for instance the already beaten to death Lamb int, is some sort of homer?

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I only ever see you going after those that are critical of Dak. That's why.

I believe that if you're defending Dak in this instance, which it looks like you here since you're coming after me, when there is clear evidence provided by not just me but others of 3 open receivers that Dak would've seen if he wasn't staring down Lamb the whole time then it kinda looks like you're onboard with the big Dak guys here.

Because any objective poster would go to 17:30 of the Kurt Warner video, listen to or mute him it doesn't matter, look at what is on the screen, then come back here AT THE VERY LEAST would be saying that both Dak and Lamb messed up on that play. Because there is just no other conclusion that one could come to unless they have an agenda.

phildadon86 said:

So now we have multiple ex players (some who are in the HOF) The HC. And now the revered Jimmy Johnson all saying the same thing.

Ceedee RAN THE WRONG ROUTE!

He must not know what he is talking about. Interesting that fans here who again have probably never played a down of football can sit there and watch the game on TV and blame Dak for the INT. LOL. Mind boggling.

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Anyone with half a brain already knew this
The problem is the number of fans who have an agenda and let that agenda drive their opinions, even when deep down they know they are wrong

MountaineerCowboy said:

I only ever see you going after those that are critical of Dak. That's why.

I believe that if you're defending Dak in this instance, which it looks like you here since you're coming after me, when there is clear evidence provided by not just me but others of 3 open receivers that Dak would've seen if he wasn't staring down Lamb the whole time then it kinda looks like you're onboard with the big Dak guys here.

Because any objective poster would go to 17:30 of the Kurt Warner video, listen to or mute him it doesn't matter, look at what is on the screen, then come back here AT THE VERY LEAST would be saying that both Dak and Lamb messed up on that play. Because there is just no other conclusion that one could come to unless they have an agenda.

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Well, the reason the sideline is so open is due to Dak staring down CeeDee. That left deep safety had his eyes on Dak and went from neutral to coming over to CeeDee. Same for the middle deep safety. Very clear in the scouting films. However, what's more relevant is that this all occurred in the 2nd qtr and we finished the first half tied after Dak led a great drive down the field to score. We didn't lose this game because of this stupid pick. We lost it due to the entire team laying down in the 4th qtr. I think Dak is above average QB and is getting premium money. That's out of balance same as Zeke. Good for them. By the way, Kurt also said that this was one of Dak's better games which one can take either way.

Echospacing said:

Well, the reason the sideline is so open is due to Dak staring down CeeDee. That left deep safety had his eyes on Dak and went from neutral to coming over to CeeDee. Same for the middle deep safety. Very clear in the scouting films. However, what's more relevant is that this all occurred in the 2nd qtr and we finished the first half tied after Dak led a great drive down the field to score. We didn't lose this game because of this stupid pick. We lost it due to the entire team laying down in the 4th qtr. I think Dak is above average QB and is getting premium money. That's out of balance same as Zeke. Good for them. By the way, Kurt also said that this was one of Dak's better games which one can take either way.

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This is not 100% on CeeDee as people want to say. This both CeeDee and Dak's fault. CeeDee ran the wrong route and Dak's mind was made up coming out of the huddle where he was going to throw it and it showed.

It's the QB's fault anyway you look at it. That's why you pay him 40M a year to make sure his WR's know where to be in disguised coverages. Any professional can play against a basic cover 2 look

"Hey CD" run across the face in cover two "ONLY if the safety cheats to the middle". Hey Dak here's some advice...find another WR when they disguise Cover Two and move the safety to the middle? OK big guy?
How many times are you going to throw it?

Listen to Kurt Warner. Don't throw that pass, they are trying to confuse the WR and they are very good at it.

Dak should have hit Noah Brown down the sidelines for a TD, don't look for the crosser across the face of safety, he might not be there!

MountaineerCowboy said:

This is not 100% on CeeDee as people want to say. This both CeeDee and Dak's fault. CeeDee ran the wrong route and Dak's mind was made up coming out of the huddle where he was going to throw it and it showed.

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completely agree, but all QBs do this to some level. Some more than others and it can be a problem.

Surely people in here didn’t put that on dak? They can’t be that incapable of reading football.. dak needs to be better but also kellen Moore needs to be better. Why are we throwing 45 times with a lead majority of the game? Oh yea with 6-8 ypc every rush. ‍♂️ it’s not all on dak. Kellen Moore too pass happy

MountaineerCowboy said:

Are you able to post a screen cap of 17:35 of that Warner video?

I feel like that needs to be seen by more people here.

We don't need Warner commentary because you can easily see with your own eyes what should've happened, but what was happening.

3 guys all going to be wide open while Dak is staring down CeeDee with the LB and 2 safeties all seeing it.

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Then go route up the sideline on this clip at around 17:30 was Brown right?

Remember the thread the other day about brown's production increasing under Rush but dropping off the ledge when Dak returned?

He's got a huge gain on that play, if not a walk in TD, if the QB just looks his way....

You are spot on. Dal determined, pre snap, he was going to Cee Dee and never wavered off of that. Not only were a couple wide open guys missed, but a crushing turnover as well.

And a new scapegoat

Lot of damage done on that play

phildadon86 said:

So now we have multiple ex players (some who are in the HOF) The HC. And now the revered Jimmy Johnson all saying the same thing.

Ceedee RAN THE WRONG ROUTE!

He must not know what he is talking about. Interesting that fans here who again have probably never played a down of football can sit there and watch the game on TV and blame Dak for the INT. LOL. Mind boggling.

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Jimmy's opinion is the gold standard.

Doomsday101 said:

"just trying to help you guys understand the game" sorry Mike they don't care to understand the game, they have their own agenda

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Yeah, played,coached, and got the All-22. Ya might try a different audience.

shabazz said:

Never have so many, tried for so long, to excuse one man’s mistakes……

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Only eclipsed by so many more trying to sully the guy's character and his performances with simple temper tantrums.

Maybe it's time for a host of the disappointed to take their balls and go home.

TwoDeep3 said:

Only eclipsed by so many more trying to sully the guy's character and his performances with simple temper tantrums.

Maybe it's time for a host of the disappointed to take their balls and go home.

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….after a quarter century of failure is there any sane, non emotional, non homer here NOT disappointed?

shabazz said:

….after a quarter century of failure is there any sane, non emotional, non homer here NOT disappointed?

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There are layers of disappointment.

Those who still harbor hope, but experience the pain of a setback.

And those whose aerobics is beating a dead horse for year-after-year.

I look at Nick Foles and his championship ring and wonder why others do not see that it does not take a Brady to bring home trophies. The Super Bowl is littered with so-so talent at the helm who succeeded. But then I also see errors by WR's in their routes which caused turnovers, and the blame sits squarely on Dak, when even Jimmy Johnson pointed out the WR ran the wrong route. Doesn't fit with the narrative, because fans believe they see and understand more than those who actually have worked in the industry in question.

Hubris, thy hearthstone is CowboysZone.

Every poster who has exhibited their distrust in Dak.....well, we all get it. The continued pressing of this issue at every turn has no purpose other than self aggrandizement. Because, in the final analysis, you folks talk about not much more than salaries and Dak. Interspersed with the occasional whine about Pollard's carry count.

I just wonder if this is so engrained in the detractors it has become the reflex reaction of the rubber hammer on the knee cap? Or do you just not have anything salient to add about the team beyond your Johnny-One-Note invectives?

WillieBeamen said:

Yall have to stop excusing the QB from making the throw anyways…


WRs get bumped off their routes all the time and if you look at the tape, Dak didnt even throw it once Schultz got thrown off

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No excuse making for Dak....and none of the excuse making for WRs (bumped off their routes). I do think Dak should have sailed the pass out the endzone once confusion showed up and settle for the FG. And because I am on amnesty mode with KMoore calling that play.....nothing to say abut the play called.

MountaineerCowboy said:

It has to be exhausting defending such a lousy QB.

Meanwhile, us that don't defend his poor play don't really have to do much because Dak does all the work for us.

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sad part is you would rather be right tham have us win

CeeDee may have very well run the wrong route ...... But I seriously doubt that the right route ended up where Dak threw the ball ...... He hit the other player in the stomach way before the route would have ended.

CanadianCowboysFan said:

sad part is you would rather be right tham have us win

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No.

The sad part is you guys seem to take weird joy that we want an actual QB we can count on for this team and will deliver when needed.

You guys would rather lose with Dak just to spite us fans that don't care who the QB is as long as we're winning games.

We saw how much ya'll hated going 4-1 when Rush played, but seem all too happy being 2-2 with Dak playing.

MountaineerCowboy said:

I only ever see you going after those that are critical of Dak. That's why.

I believe that if you're defending Dak in this instance, which it looks like you here since you're coming after me, when there is clear evidence provided by not just me but others of 3 open receivers that Dak would've seen if he wasn't staring down Lamb the whole time then it kinda looks like you're onboard with the big Dak guys here.

Because any objective poster would go to 17:30 of the Kurt Warner video, listen to or mute him it doesn't matter, look at what is on the screen, then come back here AT THE VERY LEAST would be saying that both Dak and Lamb messed up on that play. Because there is just no other conclusion that one could come to unless they have an agenda.

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“Going after” is an interesting choice of words. I don’t go after certain posters; I’ve enjoyed reading many of your posts. But I do go after opinions shared that I think are incorrect. And it may seem I’m only doing so with those who are especially critical of Prescott because they are the loudest and are in every thread no matter the topic.

I’ve ragged on Prescott plenty of times when he’s deserved it.

DoctorChicken said:

“Going after” is an interesting choice of words. I don’t go after certain posters; I’ve enjoyed reading many of your posts. But I do go after opinions shared that I think are incorrect. And it may seem I’m only doing so with those who are especially critical of Prescott because they are the loudest and are in every thread no matter the topic.

I’ve ragged on Prescott plenty of times when he’s deserved it.

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I will admit every time I see your profile picture I chuckle lol

But, the most passionate about the team usually are the loudest. Nobody here wants Dak to fail. We want Dak to STOP failing.