Twitter: Sam Williams Graded As 2nd Best Rookie Pass Rusher This Season

rambo2 · Nov 29, 2022

Typhus said:
Thought we had Armstrong signed through 2024, am I wrong here?

One more season.

bsbellomy · Nov 29, 2022

817Gill said:
Gotta stop freaking out on draft day guys, let the dudes show us if they can play or not. Usually takes a few years but we are so impatient nowadays.

I for one am done being disappointed on draft day. I’m not a scout and can’t reasonably criticize a pick until I see them develop. Keep this in mind with Tolbert, as none of the 3rd round WR’s have shown much up to this point. This will not be the case for their whole careers.

Well in that vein let's not declare this draft a rousing success too early. Book is still out on most of these guys to include Tyler Smith.

rambo2 · Nov 29, 2022

bsbellomy said:
Well in that vein let's not declare this draft a rousing success too early. Book is still out on most of these guys to include Tyler Smith.

They are 8 and 3 with major contributions from the rookies. They are clearly headed in the right direction.

cnuball21 · Nov 29, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Jermaine Johnson: 8 games played, 17 total tackles, 10 solo tackles, 5 assists, 2.5 sacks.

Sam Williams: 9 games played, 14 total tackles, 11 solo tackles, 2 assists, 3 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 1 forced fumble, 2 opposing fumble returns.

Looks like the Cowboys have been getting much more production from Sam Williams than the Jets are getting from Jermaine Johnson, and the Cowboys luckily were able to use a late 2nd round pick for Sam Williams' production compared to the Jets 1st round pick on Jermaine Johnson.

Johnson was PFFs highest graded rookie Edge before getting hurt. Not sure if he still is as I’d imagine it’s Aiden at this point.

Sam and JJ are probably fairly comparable as pass rushers, but JJ is already a beast against the run.

PhillyCowboysFan · Nov 29, 2022

Maxmadden said:
There are many here on this board that are professional scouts, as well as twice as many GM's.

Soooooo truuuuuuuue! :laugh:

817Gill · Nov 29, 2022

bsbellomy said:
Well in that vein let's not declare this draft a rousing success too early. Book is still out on most of these guys to include Tyler Smith.

Guys don’t usually start off strong and not pan out unless injury is involved. From what we’ve seen from those who have been contributors so far I think it’s a pretty good sign of what’s to come.

Barring injury, players only get better. The question is how much better.

rags747 · Nov 29, 2022

quickccc said:
yes, it will happen this offseason. Some team is going after Armstrong with $$.
Pass rushers are in heavy demand, and they tend to get paid. Even overpaid.

If there wasn't a Williams on the rise, ..it would likely be a different story and Armstrong would be a mainstay.
It's not set in stone yet, but it's likely to go the FA way.

Always happen when you've invested, coached and developed a player, and here comes FA to swipe them away (Gregory, Cedrick Wilson)
Same likely to happen with safety Donovan Wilson as well, ..

Armstrong signed a 2 year contract, he’s not going anywhere until after the 23 season.

morat1959 · Nov 29, 2022

I knew he was a steal when we got him. He had an off the field issue his Jr. year. He had nearly identical numbers his senior year to Aidan Hutchinson. I thought he should have gone mid-late first round. If his head’s on straight and stays healthy…he’s the real deal.

morat1959 · Nov 29, 2022

rambo2 said:
They are 8 and 3 with major contributions from the rookies. They are clearly headed in the right direction.

I’m pleased with our rookie class to this point.

Reid1boys · Nov 29, 2022

805BoysInBlue said:
Will Mcclay for U.S president 2024! . I'm glad they also listened to DQs input on this one. Marinelli always had the wrong input.

So who was giving the great input on Tolbert? No way in hell could it have been McClay.... right? I've read in here that he is as close to Jesus as humanly possible.

805BoysInBlue · Nov 29, 2022

Reid1boys said:
So who was giving the great input on Tolbert? No way in hell could it have been McClay.... right? I've read in here that he is as close to Jesus as humanly possible.

Been 1 year, I say we give him a year or 2.

stilltheguru · Nov 29, 2022

I was doubtful he'd be a year 1 contributor but I saw in preseason he was ready to do some things

starfrombirth · Nov 29, 2022

817Gill said:
Guys don’t usually start off strong and not pan out unless injury is involved. From what we’ve seen from those who have been contributors so far I think it’s a pretty good sign of what’s to come.

Barring injury, players only get better. The question is how much better.

Ladies and gentlemen... I would like to submit Jaylon Smith and LVE into evidence.

817Gill · Nov 29, 2022

starfrombirth said:
Ladies and gentlemen... I would like to submit Jaylon Smith and LVE into evidence.

I said barring injury lol. Those are both cases of injury.

It’s gotta be strange circumstances like a bad scheme change for it not to be an injury thing. Usually people move forward not back.

805BoysInBlue · Nov 29, 2022

817Gill said:
I said barring injury lol. Those are both cases of injury.

It’s gotta be strange circumstances like a bad scheme change for it not to be an injury thing. Usually people move forward not back.

I think the scheme and coaching didn't help either one of those guys out. Nolan was the biggest coaching mistake Dallas has ever made behind Monte Kiffin.

817Gill · Nov 29, 2022

805BoysInBlue said:
I think the scheme and coaching didn't help either one of those guys out. Nolan was the biggest coaching mistake Dallas has ever made behind Monte Kiffin.

Yup. Double whammy for those two. Fwiw both looked pretty good Thursday.

805BoysInBlue · Nov 29, 2022

817Gill said:
Yup. Double whammy for those two. Fwiw both looked pretty good Thursday.

LVE is reacting a lot quicker and that's a good site to see!

rambo2 · Nov 29, 2022

Reid1boys said:
So who was giving the great input on Tolbert? No way in hell could it have been McClay.... right? I've read in here that he is as close to Jesus as humanly possible.

I take it that you are complaining about 1 draft pick when they clearly had an outstanding draft no matter how you slice it. Do you follow the draft?

Ken · Nov 29, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:

I remember a very wise fan on this site say he was the best DE in this draft class....

Wonder who that was? :0

Havic · Nov 29, 2022

quickccc said:
- I also admit that DE Jermaine Johnson and LB Devin Lloyd on my 1st rd wish radar.
and disappointed we took Tyler Smith instead.

- But kudos to Tyler player, .. the coaches that teach up him and prepared him very well
in just his rookie year, without little to no reps at LT in camp/preseason before Week 1 start.
and Tyler has size, athleticism, ..unbelievable natural country- power, confidence
and tenacity.

- I have no doubt he's gonna soon eventually be one of the better left tackles in the NFL.

I wanted Johnson when he was there but I am not sure how our O-line would have looked without Tyler and Smith going down.

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