ESPN on QB Contracts (Dak)

MountaineerCowboy said:

IMO if a top 5 QB gets injured the team doesn't go 4-1 without him.

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The only way this statement makes sense is if all top 5 QBs don't have good teams around them.

I'm not claiming Dak got any better. He's peaked. But the QB play in this league this season is not blowing me away. Big Ben, Brees, and Peyton are gone. Brady and Rodgers are not long for this league. Who do we have out there now? Besides Mahomes and Allen. The difference between Dak on a good day, and 90% of the other QBs out there isn't that big of a gap.

Flamma said:

The only way this statement makes sense is if all top 5 QBs don't have good teams around them.

I'm not claiming Dak got any better. He's peaked. But the QB play in this league this season is not blowing me away. Big Ben, Brees, and Peyton are gone. Brady and Rodgers are not long for this league. Who do we have out there now? Besides Mahomes and Allen. The difference between Dak on a good day, and 90% of the other QBs out there isn't that big of a gap.

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It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest Prescott is top 5.

mattjames2010 said:

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest Prescott is top 5.

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LOL, feel free to run off all of these great quarterbacks. You have Mahomes and Allen. You can say Burrow and Herbert. I'm not impressed by them, but people love to mention them. Who's left? Rodgers, Brady? They're almost out of the league. Once they go.......

The rest of the league is roughly poor to slightly above average QBs. It doesn't matter who is top 5 or top 10. We won't even have 5 elite QBs. There won't be any difference from 5 and 15.

Flamma said:

The only way this statement makes sense is if all top 5 QBs don't have good teams around them.

I'm not claiming Dak got any better. He's peaked. But the QB play in this league this season is not blowing me away. Big Ben, Brees, and Peyton are gone. Brady and Rodgers are not long for this league. Who do we have out there now? Besides Mahomes and Allen. The difference between Dak on a good day, and 90% of the other QBs out there isn't that big of a gap.

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Big Ben’s first Super Bowl was arguably the worst QB performance if all time…but doesn’t matter because he “elevated his team to a win.”

Outside of Mahomes and Allen it’s basically pick your flavor in the 2nd tier. Daks in there.

Flamma said:

LOL, feel free to run off all of these great quarterbacks. You have Mahomes and Allen. You can say Burrow and Herbert. I'm not impressed by them, but people love to mention them. Who's left? Rodgers, Brady? They're almost out of the league. Once they go.......

The rest of the league is roughly poor to slightly above average QBs. It doesn't matter who is top 5 or top 10. We won't even have 5 elite QBs. There won't be any difference from 5 and 15.

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I'm taking Rodgers with a broken thumb and cracked ribs over Prescott.

Prescott top 5?
Jeepers

jujoboys said:

Dak Prescott - plays small in big games, unproven in playoffs except to lose big, No stud here, unlikely to ever lead the Cowboys to the SB, proven choker in big games, bad game management and questionable QB skills.

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You are missing the point. No one is saying that Dak is a playoff stud. They are just saying that their is only one other NFC QB that will be in the playoffs that they trust more in the playoffs. Tom Brady is the only QB currently slated to be in the playoffs that has done anything. Thus you could make the argument that Dak could be the 2nd most trusted QB in the playoffs in the NFC. Who are you putting ahead of him besides Brady? Taylor Heinicke and Daniel Jones have never played in a playoff game. Jalen Hurts played in one last year and got totally destroyed. It was 31-0 at halftime. Kirk Cousins? Guy just got destroyed by Dak and company. He basically curled up in a fetal position in both the Eagles and Cowboys game this year because he was getting beat up so bad. Jimmy G? - I guess you could make an argument for him because he doesn't have to do much because of the 49ers defense. Although his stupid interception last year in thre playoffs allowed the Cowboys to get back in the playoff game against the 49ers. Their running game and D had us finished and Jimmy G's mistake opened the door.[/QUOTE]

I thought the object of the exercise that pays a QB 160million dollars for 4 years is to emulate Brady. Guess Not!

mattjames2010 said:

Dak will be taking up 20% of the cap in 2023 and 2024 - there will be no restructure that brings that down to an appropriate level. Then guess what? He'll be ready for his next extension.

Reminder: No QB has ever won a Super Bowl taking up more than 13.1% of the cap (the most being Steve Young)

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Just for argument’s sake. We have no idea what the cap will be in those years. The NFL is as popular as it’s ever been.

Flamma said:

LOL, feel free to run off all of these great quarterbacks. You have Mahomes and Allen. You can say Burrow and Herbert. I'm not impressed by them, but people love to mention them. Who's left? Rodgers, Brady? They're almost out of the league. Once they go.......

The rest of the league is roughly poor to slightly above average QBs. It doesn't matter who is top 5 or top 10. We won't even have 5 elite QBs. There won't be any difference from 5 and 15.

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Mahomes, Allen, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, and Hurts right off the top of my head are playing better than Dak right now.

And "once Brady and Rodgers" go - guess what? More young QBs will come in and fill those spots. Dak doesn't - he's right there with Cousins and Carr.

Chuck 54 said:

Just for argument’s sake. We have no idea what the cap will be in those years. The NFL is as popular as it’s ever been.

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the big cap jump was delayed because of the loss of revenue due to Covid crap. So it probably will not take a big jump until 2025

MountaineerCowboy said:

I didn't say back up don't win games.

I said that when your team goes 4-1 without you you're not a difference maker.

In the Pats case, with Brady they win Super Bowls, without Brady they don't even make the playoffs.

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The 1991 Cowboys were 6-5 and Troy Aikman hurt his knee. Steve Beurlein came in and won five in a row plus a playoff game.

So using your logic back then Aikman was not a difference maker since the team won a bunch of games without him.

The Cowboys played perfect complementary football while Dak was out except for the Eagles game. Since Dak came back they have averaged 33.8 points and over 416 yards per game. If Dak isn't the difference than what is the difference? Kellen Moore suddenly becoming a genius?

mattjames2010 said:

Mahomes, Allen, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, and Hurts right off the top of my head are playing better than Dak right now.

And "once Brady and Rodgers" go - guess what? More young QBs will come in and fill those spots. Dak doesn't - he's right there with Cousins and Carr.

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I need to see Tua do it for another year before I think he has arrived; and Burrow has regressed a little this year but still better than Dak. Herbert is about the same as Dak; Hurts is having a career year and I do not seeing that last.

Rodgers can still get it done as well and brady aint gone yet. So no Dak is not a top 5 QB

CT Dal Fan said:

The 1991 Cowboys were 6-5 and Troy Aikman hurt his knee. Steve Beurlein came in and won five in a row plus a playoff game.

So using your logic back then Aikman was not a difference maker since the team won a bunch of games without him.

The Cowboys played perfect complementary football while Dak was out except for the Eagles game. Since Dak came back they have averaged 33.8 points and over 416 yards per game. If Dak isn't the difference than what is the difference? Kellen Moore suddenly becoming a genius?

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Aikman was very much elevated by the players around him. This can't be denied. He was junk the moment he lost some all-pro players.

so since this thread predictably devolved in typical fashion, and the article is behind a paywall… what’s the justification for Dak having a good contract?

Coogiguy03 said:

WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF IT WERE SIGNED EARLIER

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You know that if he signed earlier he would be in a contract year next year and we’d be talking, right now, about six years and 300 million during this off-season.

That’s what Herbert, Burrow and maybe Jackson are about to get.

Are you thinking about cap lines we could have saved theee years ago?

Swagger said:

I'm taking Rodgers with a broken thumb and cracked ribs over Prescott.

Prescott top 5?
Jeepers

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Of course you would. You’ve displayed your lack of intelligence over the years.

MountaineerCowboy said:

Yeah, if your team goes 4-1 without you you're not exactly the difference maker you're paid to be as far as I'm concerned.

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Luckily your concerns are largely ignored.

Rockport said:

Of course you would. You’ve displayed your lack of intelligence over the years.

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My posts speak for themselves.

For example, before this season started I compared Hurts with Cam (not in stature but style) and predicted that he would be right in the MVP conversation. I was laughed at by Dak Prescott lovers yet...yep I was absolutely spot on. I'm not a fan of anyone giving themselves a pat on the back but when I'm dug out as someone with a "lack of intelligence" I have to defend myself - this coming from a poster claiming that Dak Prescott is a top 5 QB in the NFL. If you meant Dak Prescott has been in a favourable top 5 offense for the entirety of his career in terms of o-line, receivers and running backs then yes I would agree with that. He has been exceptionally fortune in that regard.

If you claim that Prescott is a top 5 QB in the NFL then well I will leave it to others to make up their own mind given the same team he is on are 4-1 this season with a practice squad QB who no other team wanted to claim. The only loss coming against a team with a 10-1 record.

Ironically your second sentence actually applies to you not me and it's very telling that you often resort to ridiculous, unfounded personal insults rather than formulating a compelling point to support your assertion.

Dak’s ability is 80% of the team around him. Meaning most any mid level NFL QB could win with this team. He works hard so he does well but his skill could not carry the team like a Brady, Mahomes or even Rogers. Those are the QB that deserve huge paydays. Dak is a tiny bit above average imo. He owes the rest to the team and coaches. He is over paid imo. Glad to have him though cause we could have worse.

Xeven said:

Dak’s ability is 80% of the team around him. Meaning most any mid level NFL QB could win with this team. He works hard so he does well but his skill could not carry the team like a Brady, Mahomes or even Rogers. Those are the QB that deserve huge paydays. Dak is a tiny bit above average imo. He owes the rest to the team and coaches. He is over paid imo. Glad to have him though cause we could have worse.

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ROFL. Dude... no one is suggesting Dak is a Hall of Famer. Those 3 you listed are.
Rodgers now makes 60M a year. Not 40M like Dak.
Pat makes 45M but has half a BILLION GTD.
Brady was mooching off his rich wife so playing cheap and is an extreme outlier.

but Russ, Kyler and very soon others will surpass Dak is salary that are also NOT Hall of Famers.

As to the team stuff, thats' largely nonsense. Rodgers isn't winning games THIS YEAR. No QB just carries teams of dolts across the threshold. We all saw Aikman, The Hall of Famer, fall off here as the talent around him did.
And THIS team is 10 points a game better on offense with Dak than the backup.

Xeven said:

Dak’s ability is 80% of the team around him. Meaning most any mid level NFL QB could win with this team. He works hard so he does well but his skill could not carry the team like a Brady, Mahomes or even Rogers. Those are the QB that deserve huge paydays. Dak is a tiny bit above average imo. He owes the rest to the team and coaches. He is over paid imo. Glad to have him though cause we could have worse.

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Agree except with your last sentence as whilst true, we could also have it a lot better. A whole lot better.