A Touch of Hostility... Cowboys 2011 Draft

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Good post Hos. I also am very impressed with Garrett's desire for aggressive football players. I also love his comment about looking for players "who do the things required of their position". Simple and to the point.

I also believe you will see this team continue to get athletic, fast and dedicated football players. Just like those early 90's Cowboy teams who simply oozed athletic talent and aggressive, dedicated football players. Guys like Darren Woodson being the poster child.
 

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They couldn't find one defensive lineman to draft tho? Booo...
 

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big dog cowboy;3939036 said:
Great write up Hos.

The only thing I would add is that (at least it's clear to me) this is Garrett's team and this was his draft and we got the players he wanted. The scouts gave their opinion, Garrett weighed the options and pulled the trigger.

A common theme among this group necessary to fit Garrett's system: aggressive, mean, , solid character, fast, nasty, team captains, bottom line solid football players. I love it.
Such a good post.
 

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Hostile;3938988 said:
I disagree. By having the Draft first it decreases the job openings.

I was thinking about this too - I'm betting with all the d-line players taken in the first three rounds we can grab a good one for cheap on the FA market.
 

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dbair1967;3939018 said:
Not really. Regardless of when they have the draft (before or after free agency) the number of picks is the same. Having it first or last wont change the fact that teams will try to find ways to have their picks make the team.

Having the draft first will probably encourage more teams to follow their draft boards and draft BPA instead of drafting to fill needs they didnt or couldnt get via free agency.
You're not listening.

If Dallas needs a WR and they get one in the Draft it reduces a landing spot for a FA WR. The same as if we sign a FA WR we may not draft one.

It works both ways, but I think if it worked against the FAs the NFLPA* would be upset.
 

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Rhubarb;3939061 said:
I was thinking about this too - I'm betting with all the d-line players taken in the first three rounds we can grab a good one for cheap on the FA market.
Exactly.
 

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Hostile;3939064 said:
You're not listening.

If Dallas needs a WR and they get one in the Draft it reduces a landing spot for a FA WR. The same as if we sign a FA WR we may not draft one.

It works both ways, but I think if it worked against the FAs the NFLPA* would be upset.

It reduces the chance we might sign a WR, but another team that might have drafted the WR we did might choose to sign a veteran WR instead.

Its still the same number of players in the pools.
 

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Hostile;3939064 said:
You're not listening.

If Dallas needs a WR and they get one in the Draft it reduces a landing spot for a FA WR. The same as if we sign a FA WR we may not draft one.

It works both ways, but I think if it worked against the FAs the NFLPA* would be upset.

Well, I see what your saying, and I believe that a mid-tier to lower-tier FA might be hurt by it cause there is no reason for a team to sign that player if they got a decent player in the draft.

But if its a top-tier FA, and a need for 2 or more teams after the draft, I could see how the bidding war would be more intense for them, and in turn increase their demanding price. For instance, this was a weak safety draft, so if teams that didn't get a safety in the draft that can start, it could drive up the price for a top-tier FA safety cause more teams weren't able to meet their needs in the draft.

Lower tier vets can be hurt like you pointed out, but I think the top guys could get more money cause they could get a bidding war started.
 

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Good summary/analysis, Hos.

I would have taken Rackley in the third round and a RB in the fourth or fifth.

Other than that, I don't really have a problem with this draft.
 

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Deep_Freeze;3939102 said:
Well, I see what your saying, and I believe that a mid-tier to lower-tier FA might be hurt by it cause there is no reason for a team to sign that player if they got a decent player in the draft.

But if its a top-tier FA, and a need for 2 or more teams after the draft, I could see how the bidding war would be more intense for them, and in turn increase their demanding price. For instance, this was a weak safety draft, so if teams that didn't get a safety in the draft that can start, it could drive up the price for a top-tier FA safety cause more teams weren't able to meet their needs in the draft.

Lower tier vets can be hurt like you pointed out, but I think the top guys could get more money cause they could get a bidding war started.
The fact that a team can fill their needs in the draft before free agency is opened gives them a chance to save some cap space. I'd be sick if you signed someone like TO or Moss when you can get Dez at #24. That don't happen often but you can see how this can work out to a teams advantage. It can also work just the opposite. Say Dez is gone in the top 5 and you are sitting at #20 with no good draft options available. After the draft you will have free agency to find what you couldn't find in the draft.

Edit to add: This also gives the teams a rough idea how aggressive they can get since they will have a good idea what they have already spent in the draft.
 

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67CowboysFan;3939114 said:
The fact that a team can fill their needs in the draft before free agency is opened gives them a chance to save some cap space. I'd be sick if you signed someone like TO or Moss when you can get Dez at #24. That don't happen often but you can see how this can work out to a teams advantage. It can also work just the opposite. Say Dez is gone in the top 5 and you are sitting at #20 with no good draft options available. After the draft you will have free agency to find what you couldn't find in the draft.

True, I'm just saying at that point you have to pay a FA, you have no other choice. So that makes the top FAs worth even more money to you cause you can't rely on the draft. You know for sure, its that top guy or nothing but some nobody in the spot, so it makes them worth even more money.

The lower guys will definitely be hurt by the draft being first though.
 

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Deep_Freeze;3939124 said:
True, I'm just saying at that point you have to pay a FA, you have no other choice. So that makes the top FAs worth even more money to you cause you can't rely on the draft. You know for sure, its that top guy or nothing but some nobody in the spot, so it makes them worth even more money.

The lower guys will definitely be hurt by the draft being first though.
That can work different ways too. Depends on the circumstances. It just makes more sense to me. If you can draft a younger player at a cheaper price you fill the need and it is possibly long term. I'd just hate to spend big money on a FA and have a great player drop in my lap during the draft. Huge waste of money.

As far as the lower guys being hurt, I think that depends on the circumstance too. Take a guy like Sensabaugh, he is not in the Ed Reed tier but would still be very valuable to a team that was in desperate need of a safety with a draft class like we had this year.
 

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67CowboysFan;3939114 said:
The fact that a team can fill their needs in the draft before free agency is opened gives them a chance to save some cap space. I'd be sick if you signed someone like TO or Moss when you can get Dez at #24. That don't happen often but you can see how this can work out to a teams advantage. It can also work just the opposite. Say Dez is gone in the top 5 and you are sitting at #20 with no good draft options available. After the draft you will have free agency to find what you couldn't find in the draft.

Edit to add: This also gives the teams a rough idea how aggressive they can get since they will have a good idea what they have already spent in the draft.
That is what I am saying.
 

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67CowboysFan;3939132 said:
That can work different ways too. Depends on the circumstances. It just makes more sense to me. If you can draft a younger player at a cheaper price you fill the need and it is possibly long term. I'd just hate to spend big money on a FA and have a great player drop in my lap during the draft. Huge waste of money.

Yeah I can totally see that, you have less control over who falls to you in the draft so having the draft first is better.

All I was saying was that if you didn't fill that need in the draft, you could end up paying alot more money for a top FA.

All that said, I do like the draft before free agency.
 

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Deep_Freeze;3939141 said:
Yeah I can totally see that, you have less control over who falls to you in the draft so having the draft first is better.

All I was saying was that if you didn't fill that need in the draft, you could end up paying alot more money for a top FA.

All that said, I do like the draft before free agency.
I actually think it would be less because teams would focus harder in the draft on needs than ever.
 

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Hostile;3939144 said:
I actually think it would be less because teams would focus harder in the draft on needs than ever.

I think having the draft before FA is a great idea. Heighten the importance of making the right picks before teams can splurge in FA. Excellent idea. Where do I sign the petition? :D
 

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Great writeup HOS. Agree with basically every point. I'm very excited about potentially finally having a good offensive line. That was the ONE thing Parcells was never able to fix. Simply put, we haven't had a great O-Line in over a decade imo.

I'll be VERY curious to see how a guy like Felix runs behind a good OLine if they can put on together. If this guy has holes to run through the end results can be scary. Also, very curious to see how Romo will perform behind a good line. Romo has beem very succesful and the man has been running for his life ever since being name the starter. Heck, part of the reason Bledsoe lost his job was bc he had a crappy line imo. With Romo's elite pocket mobility he has masked the line. Simply put, it hasn't been good. If we fixed that this was a VERY succesful draft.
 

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Romo2Dez88;3939016 said:
It happens to the best of us. Do you think Carter has pro bowl potential? Ive never really seen him play except from highlight videos and they dont always show how a player actually plays
I had to think about this for a while. No, I can't say that I see that in him at this point. He could absolutely prove me wrong, but there are several ILBs in the NFC who I think will probably continue to be honored for a long, long time and that is going to inhibit him. Then once they leave he will be well into his career to where he hasn't been and that will bias people that he simply isn't a pro bowl caliber player. It's similar to Bradie James in 2008. He deserved the Pro Bowl but didn't get it because he was too far into his career and it therefore was overlooked.
 

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see I was high on Harris way back

Dec 31 - Jan 2 - an 21 Mock

Dwayne Harris
but someone changed my mind - to Cecil Shorts

but I watched him play a couple games an he really impressed me

Good hands, doesn't drop a lot of balls... Reliable player, comes up big on third downs and at the end of games... Good route runner, likes to work the middle of the field, does most of his work within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage... Solid burst off the line of scrimmage, can get separation in man coverage... Cuts well, very elusive in the open field... Hard runner, tough guy to bring down when he gets going, gets a lot of yards after the catch

this kid is NFL material
 

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Hostile;3938853 said:
Some people may disagree with me on this, but I really liked the Draft coming before Free Agency. I think it provided us more reason not to reach for Draft picks. Usually after Free Agency you know exactly which holes are left and you focus your draft there. This way we instead focus Free Agency on the holes left by the Draft, and if we had by chance filled the holes we can save the money it costs and possibly have more chances at Compensatory picks for guys we lose if any qualify.

It is purely a strategic preference for me, but I do prefer it.

I also liked the draft prior to FA for the same reasons. Good writeup Hos.

I am VERY excited about Tyron Smith and can't wait to see him playing RT for us for a LONG time to come.

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