Has anyone been keeping up with the Zimmerman trial?

WhizKid · Jul 13, 2013

eh, maybe Martin was just you know, standing his ground.

Nightman · Jul 13, 2013

MonsterD said:
Looks like the majority of us believe it will be manslaughter, as do I. The way the trial has gone, it is hard for me to believe 2nd degree will stick, but the case is there that Zimmerman is part to blame, and Martin is also part too. My guess is voluntary manslaughter, although I have not seen much of this trial only updates on it.

Being "part to blame" as you call it isn't grounds for manslaughter. Zimmerman could have stalked, harassed, yelled at and chased Martin and it would still be legal to shoot once he felt he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. He would only be guilty if you believe he acted without those fears. His injuries and the witnesses just don't support that belief.

Hoofbite · Jul 13, 2013

ABQCOWBOY said:
Perhaps, but after reading your post, I'm still not sure what law was broken by following or getting out of his truck. Not saying it was the right thing to do but none of that is illegal.

It's irrational. People don't follow others simply because the law allows it. If he wants to go that route he's essentially admitting to being a nutjob.

silverbear · Jul 13, 2013

If I'm sitting on the jury, I'm going to be swayed most by Zimmerman's comments before getting out of the car, you know, the "(bleeping) punks", and "these a-holes, they always get away with it" remarks...

To me this indicates a hostile mindset, so from that I conclude that he was looking for a fight, and ultimately, Martin ended up dead... he got more of a fight than he was bargaining for, but if he doesn't get out of his car with a hostile attitude, nobody dies...

To me, that's at least manslaughter...

Hoofbite · Jul 13, 2013

bkight13 said:
Being "part to blame" as you call it isn't grounds for manslaughter. Zimmerman could have stalked, harassed, yelled at and chased Martin and it would still be legal to shoot once he felt he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. He would only be guilty if you believe he acted without those fears. His injuries and the witnesses just don't support that belief.

You've essentially opened the door for someone to instill enough fear into someone (following, chasing, harassing) to the point of retaliating out of fear, only to have the person who was following shoot that person and claim that he acted in self-defense.

Can't say I would agree with that.

DOUBLE WING · Jul 13, 2013

silverbear said:
If I'm sitting on the jury, I'm going to be swayed most by Zimmerman's comments before getting out of the car, you know, the "(bleeping) punks", and "these a-holes, they always get away with it" remarks...

To me this indicates a hostile mindset, so from that I conclude that he was looking for a fight, and ultimately, Martin ended up dead... he got more of a fight than he was bargaining for, but if he doesn't get out of his car with a hostile attitude, nobody dies...

To me, that's at least manslaughter...

Yep, that's where I'm at with it.

I won't even bother to get into the legal aspects of it, but if I'm just looking at this logically as a human being, I see a guy with a history of violence (Zimmerman), disobeying police orders by following Martin, verbally showing a hostile mindset (as Silverbear mentioned). Logically, this tells me the guy was looking for a confrontation. So he follows the kid, gun in holster, and there's a confrontation. Who struck first? I don't know, but the kid who was being followed is shot and killed. I cannot for the life of me look at all that and say Zimmerman deserves to walk free.

rash · Jul 13, 2013

Waste of time folks!

Read a book!

5Stars · Jul 13, 2013

rash said:
Waste of time folks!

Read a book!

Why are you reading this? Got a book instead?

rash · Jul 13, 2013

5Stars said:
Why are you reading this? Got a book instead?

I was expecting a riposte of this sort.

I'll reply with a link to a few books I would recommend my zombie zoners to check out:

http://www.amazon.com/world-order-s...&keywords=eustace+mullins+the+new+world+order

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shadows-P...d=1373752194&sr=8-1&keywords=shadows+of+power

http://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Mass-...6&sr=8-1&keywords=weapons+of+mass+instruction

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Feder...1&keywords=the+secrets+of+the+federal+reserve

iceberg · Jul 13, 2013

DOUBLE WING said:
Yep, that's where I'm at with it.

I won't even bother to get into the legal aspects of it, but if I'm just looking at this logically as a human being, I see a guy with a history of violence (Zimmerman), disobeying police orders by following Martin, verbally showing a hostile mindset (as Silverbear mentioned). Logically, this tells me the guy was looking for a confrontation. So he follows the kid, gun in holster, and there's a confrontation. Who struck first? I don't know, but the kid who was being followed is shot and killed. I cannot for the life of me look at all that and say Zimmerman deserves to walk free.

if you're gonna look at "past history" - you really need to do it for both parties.

5Stars · Jul 13, 2013

rash said:
I was expecting a riposte of this sort.

I'll reply with a link to a few books I would recommend my zombie zoners to check out:

http://www.amazon.com/world-order-study-hegemony-parasitism/dp/B0006EFK9Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373752373&sr=1-1&keywords=eustace mullins the new world order

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shadows-Power-Relations-American/dp/0882791346/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373752194&sr=8-1&keywords=shadows of power

http://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Mass-Instruction-Schoolteachers-Compulsory/dp/0865716692/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373752296&sr=8-1&keywords=weapons of mass instruction

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Federal-Reserve-Eustace-Mullins/dp/0979917654/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373752336&sr=1-1&keywords=the secrets of the federal reserve

All those books are fiction...I don't like reading fiction.

rash · Jul 13, 2013

5Stars said:
All those books are fiction...I don't like reading fiction.

These books, my friend, are not fiction. I hope you were being facetious.

Anyhow, if you do not like fiction, why do you pay attention to that which is inculcated into you through the idiot box? Only the zombies fail to recognize that it is nearly all fabricated.

Check out the book News from Nowhere by Edward Jay Epstein.

http://www.amazon.com/News-Nowhere-...keywords=news+from+nowhere+edward+jay+epstein

Maybe you will learn who is running the show...so you won't fall victim to their psychological operations...

Gemini Dolly · Jul 13, 2013

The jury asked for clarification on Manslaughter.

Manslaughter, means there must be without reasonable doubt George Zimmerman did not feel threatened, right?

5Stars · Jul 13, 2013

rash said:
These books, my friend, are not fiction. I hope you were being facetious.

Anyhow, if you do not like fiction, why do you pay attention to that which is inculcated into you through the idiot box? Only the zombies fail to recognize that it is nearly all fabricated.

Check out the book News from Nowhere by Edward Jay Epstein.

http://www.amazon.com/News-Nowhere-Edward-Jay-Epstein/dp/1566633001/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373753028&sr=8-2&keywords=news from nowhere edward jay epstein

Maybe you will learn who is running the show...so you won't fall victim to their psychological operations...

I know they are not fiction, and yes, I was being facetious. I don't read books like that, it does not interest me.

Now, show me a good Dallas Cowboys book that I HAVE NOT read, the we will talk!

5Stars · Jul 13, 2013

Gemini Dolly said:
The jury asked for clarification on Manslaughter.

Manslaughter, means there must be without reasonable doubt George Zimmerman did not feel threatened, right?

It seems to me that Zimmerman is either going to be acquitted or there is going to be a hung jury.

rash · Jul 13, 2013

5Stars said:
I know they are not fiction, and yes, I was being facetious. I don't read books like that, it does not interest me.

Now, show me a good Dallas Cowboys book that I HAVE NOT read, the we will talk!

I can't make you read books you don't like. All I can say is that there is nutritious information in each and every single one of these books; information which may just spark a curiosity on the subjects thereunder and an interest in revealing the concealed. My interest in books of this sort, dealing with that which has been hidden from the public-eye, has even gone as far as surpassing my interest in the Dallas Cowboys.

I love discovering the truth--about how things work in our world.

MonsterD · Jul 13, 2013

bkight13 said:
Being "part to blame" as you call it isn't grounds for manslaughter. Zimmerman could have stalked, harassed, yelled at and chased Martin and it would still be legal to shoot once he felt he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. He would only be guilty if you believe he acted without those fears. His injuries and the witnesses just don't support that belief.

I think the jury will definitely take into account Zimmerman's actions leading up to the shooting, legal or not.

5Stars · Jul 13, 2013

rash said:
I can't make you read books you don't like. All I can say is that there is nutritious information in each and every single one of these books; information which may just spark a curiosity on the subjects thereunder and an interest in revealing the concealed. My interest in books of this sort, dealing with that which has been hidden from the public-eye, has even gone as far as surpassing my interest in the Dallas Cowboys.

I love discovering the truth--about how things work in our world.

Reading lots of books is really a good thing for anyone. From fiction to non-fiction you can always gleam something interesting out of all of them. I have read tons of books and reading makes a person a lot smarter about what is going on in the world.

The last book that I read was "No Easy Day" about the capture of Bin Hidden by Seal Team 6. If you have not read that book, get it if you like to get a first hand account of what that raid was all about.

Hoofbite · Jul 13, 2013

5Stars said:
It seems to me that Zimmerman is either going to be acquitted or there is going to be a hung jury.

That's one way to look. They are leaning not guilty and just seeing is manslaughter is applicable.

Another aspect is that they don't feel murder 2 is met but also feel that his actions also remove not guilty from the equation.

Could just be that they are split and manslaughter is the compromise.

Hoofbite · Jul 13, 2013

So would they deliver the verdict today or what?

Has anyone been keeping up with the Zimmerman trial?

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