Hypothetical ... If Garrett was coach of the Pats

Picksix said:

Say what you want, but Garrett has never gone for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 late in the 4th quarter.

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He hasn't won 3 super bowls either has he? Hell he hasn't had a friggin' winning season.

Toruk_Makto said:

That doesn't answer the question.

The point was...it's been a long while since Bill looked like a genius.

Funny how that works in the NFL.

Last year Shannahan was a genius. This year on the hot seat.

For 3 years Mike Tomlin was the next great coach. Now he just looks like a fat Omar Epps.

It's like people don't even watch the games anymore. Everyone is who they were and who they forever will be.

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That's why we like to stay 7-9, or 8-8...just keep the expectations right there like Jerruh does.

Beast_from_East said:

So Wade gets kicked out the door 6 months after winning our only playoff game since the ice age, but all of a sudden it is a player's league and Garrett is just a scapegoat.


Wade says "what the hell".

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I wonder if he thinks Wade was fired undeservedly? Maybe Wade just needed more time to put his vision into practice? I mean as long as we are engaging in revisionist history, what else should we reconsider? Maybe the Roy Williams trade wasn't so bad after all? Did we show TO the door too early? Should Brian Stewart have been given more time?

WestCoastQB said:

He hasn't won 3 super bowls either has he? Hell he hasn't had a friggin' winning season.

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Just throwing out the bait and seeing who would bite. And btw, Jerry's won 3 SB's too.

dupree89 said:

Here is what I wanna know. Lets skip the NYG game for a moment. If somehow we lose 24-21 to Oakland, will you be here Thanksgiving night to be the voice of reason?

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Losing at home to Oakland....................wow.....................I guess it is possible with Opie at the helm.

Yea, I will be here win or lose.......................however the voice of reason (just one of many voices I hear in my head!!!!) tells me the season is over if that happens.

links18 said:

I wonder if he thinks Wade was fired undeservedly? Maybe Wade just needed more time to put his vision into practice? I mean as long as we are engaging in revisionist history, what else should we reconsider? Maybe the Roy Williams trade wasn't so bad after all? Did we show TO the door too early? Should Brian Stewart have been given more time?

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Wade won 2 division titles and a playoff game in 3 seasons.

Opie has not even had a winning record in 3 seasons.

Yea, I do think the wrong guy got fired.

Picksix said:

Say what you want, but Garrett has never gone for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 late in the 4th quarter.

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Nope, he runs 3 times and punts. Want to know how I know? 2011 the Cowboys were up by 3 against the Patriots with 3:34 left in the game. They ran the ball 3 times taking 50 seconds off the clock and punted. Of course Brady took the ball and drove it down the field for the touchdown and the win.

Garrett would rather lose the game than get grilled in a press conference so he always makes the call likely to lose pleasantly rather than go for the win - just like a good 8-8 coach does.

Garrett would never go for it on 4th and 2 and that's one reason why he's an 8-8 coach and the one that does have the balls to do it has 3 rings. By the way, I bet Jimmy would go for it on 4th and 2.

Toruk_Makto said:

What was the last meaningful post spygate game the Pats have won?

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AFC Championship 2 seasons ago?

Picksix said:

Just throwing out the bait and seeing who would bite. And btw, Jerry's won 3 SB's too.

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Jimmy WON 3 Super Bowls...Jerruh was along for the ride until his ego got hurt. You've seen what Jerry does when he does it "his" way. And if we really wish to keep going there think of how my rings Billy B has when you include Parcells years.

Blue Eyed Devil said:

Nope, he runs 3 times and punts. Want to know how I know? 2011 the Cowboys were up by 3 against the Patriots with 3:34 left in the game. They ran the ball 3 times taking 50 seconds off the clock and punted. Of course Brady took the ball and drove it down the field for the touchdown and the win.

Garrett would rather lose the game than get grilled in a press conference so he always makes the call likely to lose pleasantly rather than go for the win - just like a good 8-8 coach does.

Garrett would never go for it on 4th and 2 and that's one reason why he's an 8-8 coach and the one that does have the balls to do it has 3 rings. By the way, I bet Jimmy would go for it on 4th and 2.

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That's because one coaches to win and one coaches scared because he is in over his head.

WestCoastQB said:

Jimmy WON 3 Super Bowls...Jerruh was along for the ride until his ego got hurt. You've seen what Jerry does when he does it "his" way. And if we really wish to keep going there think of how my rings Billy B has when you include Parcells years.

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Relax, man. I'm just playing. I don't compare Garrett to Belichek, because there's really no comparison. And yes, I know who was responsible for the 3 SB's. Jerry wasn't just along for the ride (made deals for Casillas, Everett, and Haley, which put us over the top, and it's not like he just stood by and watched the Herschel trade go down), but yeah, those were very much Jimmy.

I just take exception to people that give Belichek a pass for all the poor drafts and poor game decision he makes. Sure, 3 SB's give you a lot of rope, but let's stop acting like the man is even close to being perfect.

Blue Eyed Devil said:

Nope, he runs 3 times and punts. Want to know how I know? 2011 the Cowboys were up by 3 against the Patriots with 3:34 left in the game. They ran the ball 3 times taking 50 seconds off the clock and punted. Of course Brady took the ball and drove it down the field for the touchdown and the win.

Garrett would rather lose the game than get grilled in a press conference so he always makes the call likely to lose pleasantly rather than go for the win - just like a good 8-8 coach does.

Garrett would never go for it on 4th and 2 and that's one reason why he's an 8-8 coach and the one that does have the balls to do it has 3 rings. By the way, I bet Jimmy would go for it on 4th and 2.

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So, you give me one example over a 3 year stretch and say that's proof of how he acts in those situations all the time? I get your point, and yes, I believe Garrett is too conservative during those times. But the point was, Belichek makes mistakes (or at least, choices that are perceived to be mistakes) too. If Garrett had gone for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28, against Peyton's Colts, he would have been lambasted by people saying it was just another example of his inability to make good situational decisions. Belichek got criticized, but it was forgotten relatively quickly, like pretty much all of his mistakes are.

And of course, Brady took the ball down and scored, because our late game defense was horrible. If Garrett had passed 3 times, and only taken a few seconds off the clock, and NE would have been able to keep their TO's. Brady still goes on to score, and everyone grills Garrett for not running the ball and trying to take more time off the clock. The point here is that the team almost refuses to execute in critical times. Go back to the Detroit game. People grilling Garrett for not having Romo take a knee. Well crying out loud, you just don't expect your Pro Bowl caliber LT to get a holding penalty, which stops the clock. And once again, we played no defense at the end of the game.

If we ever had a line that could block, and a defense that could stop someone at critical times, Garrett's decisions would look a lot better.

Nation said:

Do we get Mr Kraft and their offensive line coach too?

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Our OL is playing a LOT better than last year. It's the design of the plays on offense that absolutely sucks.

At any rate - carry on.

Picksix said:

So, you give me one example over a 3 year stretch and say that's proof of how he acts in those situations all the time?

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3 years? Let's just talk about this year. I guess you missed a game just 4 weeks ago against the Detroit Lions, that's okay no one really talked about it - it was small stuff. And I guess you were cutting your lawn when he had Dan Baily kick a meaningless field goal down 4 points against the Chiefs with 3:50 left to play instead of going for it on 4th down.

I guess you were just indisposed for those games and only see the all-so-frequent times where Garrett goes for the throat since, you know, he's such a ballsy head coach and not at all timid - ever.

I love all you fickle fans!

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I remember how so many of you would defend garrett to the death. where are you now?

Blue Eyed Devil said:

3 years? Let's just talk about this year. I guess you missed a game just 4 weeks ago against the Detroit Lions, that's okay no one really talked about it - it was small stuff. And I guess you were cutting your lawn when he had Dan Baily kick a meaningless field goal down 4 points against the Chiefs with 3:50 left to play instead of going for it on 4th down.

I guess you were just indisposed for those games and only see the all-so-frequent times where Garrett goes for the throat since, you know, he's such a ballsy head coach and not at all timid - ever.

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Seriously? No one talked about it? We beat it to death on here. We ran the ball three times, which was more conservative than I would have liked, but still, if our best OL doesn't pull a total brain fart, and get an obvious holding penalty, we win that game. If we could have played any kind of defense over the last minute (like we did the drive before), we win the game. People were saying we should have taken a knee 3 times. Others said we should have passed, to try to get a TD. Anything but what we did, for no better reason than what we did didn't work. But Garrett did nothing wrong.

As for the KC game, 3:50 to go and 2 TO's, against a team with a weak offense. Every coach kicks that FG. If Claiborne doesn't yank the WR down, we get the ball back with a legit chance to win. Again, he didn't do anything wrong. So maybe we go for it on 4th down. No guarantee we convert, in which case we're down 4, and now need at least a TD to win.

Typical argument. If it works, it's great. If it doesn't, he should have done something else. We always assume that whatever the other thing is, would have worked better than what we did. Faulty assumption. Garrett is far from perfect, and you can make a strong argument that we need a better coach. But people act like he's failed this team, and at times, it's hard to argue against that. But just as often, if not more, his team has failed him.

Both coaches are smart, but Belichick is smart enough to hire coordinators and let them do their job while shaping the overall philosophy of the team.

He learned from Parcells that a head coach needs to be a manager and is only as good as the assistants he's managing.

dallasfan4lizife said:

I love all you fickle fans!

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I remember how so many of you would defend garrett to the death. where are you now?

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Not me.......I was against the hire from the start, check my post history