Looking forward to moving on

At this point in the season while I'm not ruling out making the playoffs, I believe we will, but I honestly don't think we're going to be able to compete with playoff caliber teams... at least not the way we are playing right now. Dunbar appearing to breakout gave me short lived hope, but obviously that didn't last.

At this point I'm looking forward to the team moving on from:

Miles Austin - Cutting Austin in June saves us 5.5 million dollars in 2014, and 4.53 million in 2015, 12.5 million in 2016) Based on our salary cap situation, I don't see how this guy is here any longer.
DeMarcus Ware (save about 12 million cutting ware in June, and another 12 million in 2014, and then 14 million in 2015 and 2016 respectively)
Anthony Spencer*
Mackenzy Bernadeau (Dude costs 3.5 million next year if we keep him... nuff said)


When you combine these four players with the likes of Ratliff, you have a complete vacuum of resources against our salary cap, that isn't being filled by their production.

I put asterix on Spencer, because I could see us resigning him to a really comfortable 1 year deal given that I don't think ANYONE will pay him for the multi year deal that he will want, and I think his best deal is probably staying here and trying to earn his final contract (which I still wouldn't give him).

Surprise cut: Brandon Carr

That might stun some people, especially after he had yet another clutch interception late in the game against Oakland, but the simple reality is we aren't getting anywhere with these cornerbacks. They don't fit the system, and without enough resources dedicated towards the pass rush, this defense simply isn't going anywhere.

Quite frankly the guy just gets paid entirely too much money for a player who again quite frankly gets beat too much. Cutting him in June saves cost 4.717 million, saving us 7.5 million this year. It doesn't save us much for 2015, but then reopens the salary cap in 2016.

I think a lot of our season next year relies on our ability to finish reforming this offensive line, and completely reforming the defensive line (that probably includes Hatcher, who I don't think we're going to be able to afford). It would be a great help if Waters could return again next year, but clearly we can't rely on that (nor can we rely on him staying healthy).

As I've been saying Rounds 1-3 are G/DT/DE

We might be able to use Doug Free for one more year as long as we upgrade a guard spot. Even if Waters comes back, and plays like he did last year, I'd still draft someone to push/replace Leary.

Miles Austin just needs to be gone. Can't wait to see what we can do with reps going to players who deserve them in training camp. Terrance Williams seemingly hit the rookie wall this year, but with a year under his belt he should come on strong next year. Beasley should also be pretty well developed going into his 3rd year.

The annoying thing is that we probably still need to address the running back situation still. And that certainly complicates things. If the right running back is there, I'd even take one in the 1st, which goes against everything I said about the offensive/defensive lines, and what I've said about drafting running backs in the 1st round. Can you find a running back in any round? Sure, but it's obviously going to be more successful doing so as early as possible.

Basically a lot of things have to happen, and we shouldn't get too attached to certain players because we need to see some change and improvement.

Im with yea, no matter what happens the rest of this year its time to start dumping allot of these guys.

You guys are crazy, start of December and because Dunbar went down the season is over? Have some pride.


And why get rid of Carr when you have to replace him any way? You want Mo on opposing one's now? I also like to live dangerously, but not that dangerously.

I can see the point of saving cap money with some of these moves, but Carr is not one I would support...he is a very good corner and this defense is predicated on getting a pass rush, which we haven't been able to do consistently....it IS time to draft a pass rusher to play opposite of Ware, Selvie has earned his spot on he team and he should be the rotational guy @ DE IMO...I agree with the draft picks going to DL & OL...I would normally want BPA, but there are so many needs on the respective lines that there should be someone there in the first round when we draft

Dont see Carr going anywhere. I realize his contract is high. Wouldn't be surprised if they ask for a restructure, but I doubt he gets tossed out.
Totally agree on the draft though, we have ignored the big uglies too often. I see us trying to get the defensive side repaired first though.

Ware and Carr are going nowhere. Miles will be gone and Bern perhaps. I never understood the fans wanting to get rid of players. I think some people are getting spoiled and should remember the 5-11 years. Just because you get rid of a good player does not mean you will replace them with another good player.

Galian Beast said:

At this point in the season while I'm not ruling out making the playoffs, I believe we will, but I honestly don't think we're going to be able to compete with playoff caliber teams... at least not the way we are playing right now. Dunbar appearing to breakout gave me short lived hope, but obviously that didn't last.

At this point I'm looking forward to the team moving on from:

Miles Austin - Cutting Austin in June saves us 5.5 million dollars in 2014, and 4.53 million in 2015, 12.5 million in 2016) Based on our salary cap situation, I don't see how this guy is here any longer.
DeMarcus Ware (save about 12 million cutting ware in June, and another 12 million in 2014, and then 14 million in 2015 and 2016 respectively)
Anthony Spencer*
Mackenzy Bernadeau (Dude costs 3.5 million next year if we keep him... nuff said)


When you combine these four players with the likes of Ratliff, you have a complete vacuum of resources against our salary cap, that isn't being filled by their production.

I put asterix on Spencer, because I could see us resigning him to a really comfortable 1 year deal given that I don't think ANYONE will pay him for the multi year deal that he will want, and I think his best deal is probably staying here and trying to earn his final contract (which I still wouldn't give him).

Surprise cut: Brandon Carr

That might stun some people, especially after he had yet another clutch interception late in the game against Oakland, but the simple reality is we aren't getting anywhere with these cornerbacks. They don't fit the system, and without enough resources dedicated towards the pass rush, this defense simply isn't going anywhere.

Quite frankly the guy just gets paid entirely too much money for a player who again quite frankly gets beat too much. Cutting him in June saves cost 4.717 million, saving us 7.5 million this year. It doesn't save us much for 2015, but then reopens the salary cap in 2016.

I think a lot of our season next year relies on our ability to finish reforming this offensive line, and completely reforming the defensive line (that probably includes Hatcher, who I don't think we're going to be able to afford). It would be a great help if Waters could return again next year, but clearly we can't rely on that (nor can we rely on him staying healthy).

As I've been saying Rounds 1-3 are G/DT/DE

We might be able to use Doug Free for one more year as long as we upgrade a guard spot. Even if Waters comes back, and plays like he did last year, I'd still draft someone to push/replace Leary.

Miles Austin just needs to be gone. Can't wait to see what we can do with reps going to players who deserve them in training camp. Terrance Williams seemingly hit the rookie wall this year, but with a year under his belt he should come on strong next year. Beasley should also be pretty well developed going into his 3rd year.

The annoying thing is that we probably still need to address the running back situation still. And that certainly complicates things. If the right running back is there, I'd even take one in the 1st, which goes against everything I said about the offensive/defensive lines, and what I've said about drafting running backs in the 1st round. Can you find a running back in any round? Sure, but it's obviously going to be more successful doing so as early as possible.

Basically a lot of things have to happen, and we shouldn't get too attached to certain players because we need to see some change and improvement.

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You are going to be real disappointed in the offseason

bark said:

You are going to be real disappointed in the offseason

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Sad but true.

I don't know about getting rid of Ware though. You're cutting the cord pretty quick on a first ballot hall of famer at a position of great need.

Risen Star said:

Sad but true.

I don't know about getting rid of Ware though. You're cutting the cord pretty quick on a first ballot hall of famer at a position of great need.

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Jerry's history says they will be here till the wheels come off

bark said:

Jerry's history says they will be here till the wheels come off

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Agreed. He has no foresight whatsoever. A GM needs to be a visionary. Jerry's reactionary.

The best we can hope for is that they draft wares replacement and go heavy ol/DL in the draft.
As far as witten.... Well Jerry already took care of us there with our shiny 2nd round toy from this yrs draft. ....

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Agreed. He has no foresight whatsoever. A GM needs to be a visionary. Jerry's reactionary.

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They're all reactionary around here.

Reactive, never proactive.

I dont want to see Ware in another uniform.

Carr is a good corner. Overpaid but nothing we can do now.. never shouldve dropped Jenkins.

Everybody else is a potentially movable asset, or cuttable liability as far as im concerned. Except Romo obviously

cutting ware aint happening with this owner. romo, witten, and ware are his company men. they all have wholesome images and are in all of jerry's commercials. it would be a bold move cutting him but let's be real, it ain't happening even though i see where you're coming from.

i agree w/ you about the running back position. to spend a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick on the position since 2008 and still not have confidence in the position is frustrating to say the least. why can't this team find their own zac stacy or alfred morris in the later rounds? it'd be nice if they targeted a more stocky running back, more in the mold of emmitt or ray rice or morris/stacy. for some reason they prefer the long lean running backs which makes them susceptible to injury.

miles is given the option to take a pay cut first imo. the reason i say that is the cowboys seem to value him more than the fans. there is a disconnect there. plus if we get rid of him, that leaves another hole that will need to be filled thru the draft or FA. I don't think this team is comfortable going into next year with dez, t-will, and beas as the top 3....at least in this offense where it seems like everything has to be perfect in order for someone to get open.

i know everyone around here is obsessed with the RKG thing but we're losing out on good players because of it. we didn't have jordan reed and warford on our draft board b/c of it. rams traded down and got janoris jenkins, a superior player to claiborne. when we draft mcsurdy (RKG) in the 7th round, the Bengals pick up Burfict as an UDFA. how did that work out? why this team feels they can stick their nose up in the air and black mark so many good players for minor character issues is beyond me. we are in a salary cap mess, they need to be looking at everyone, not just a select few that fits the country club image of this franchise. that being said, i'd like us to target Incognito to replace Free this offseason. I think we'll be able to get a deal on a player who is tougher than free and just an overall better player. free has been exposed again without waters by his side. getting tossed like a rag doll last week was the final straw for me. i didn't like some of things incognito said but he seemed to get a lot of love and support from his teammates. seeing how his career has been affected, i dont see him screwing up again. plus, i hear all the time on here how great of a leader garrett is, so bringing him in shouldn't be a problem, right?

Zordon said:

miles is given the option to take a pay cut first imo. the reason i say that is the cowboys seem to value him more than the fans. there is a disconnect there. plus if we get rid of him, that leaves another hole that will need to be filled thru the draft or FA. I don't think this team is comfortable going into next year with dez, t-will, and beas as the top 3....at least in this offense where it seems like everything has to be perfect in order for someone to get open.

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They'd definitely need to add a WR who can play outside as a backup to Dez and Williams, but my top 3 without Miles right now would have Dwayne Harris in it and not Cole "the lollipop guild" Beasley.

I think Ware is the interesting one. Personally, depending on how he finishes the season, I think it may be time to move on from him also. Miles is a no-brainer.

Galian Beast said:

At this point in the season while I'm not ruling out making the playoffs, I believe we will, but I honestly don't think we're going to be able to compete with playoff caliber teams... at least not the way we are playing right now. Dunbar appearing to breakout gave me short lived hope, but obviously that didn't last.

At this point I'm looking forward to the team moving on from:

Miles Austin - Cutting Austin in June saves us 5.5 million dollars in 2014, and 4.53 million in 2015, 12.5 million in 2016) Based on our salary cap situation, I don't see how this guy is here any longer.
DeMarcus Ware (save about 12 million cutting ware in June, and another 12 million in 2014, and then 14 million in 2015 and 2016 respectively)
Anthony Spencer*
Mackenzy Bernadeau (Dude costs 3.5 million next year if we keep him... nuff said)


When you combine these four players with the likes of Ratliff, you have a complete vacuum of resources against our salary cap, that isn't being filled by their production.

I put asterix on Spencer, because I could see us resigning him to a really comfortable 1 year deal given that I don't think ANYONE will pay him for the multi year deal that he will want, and I think his best deal is probably staying here and trying to earn his final contract (which I still wouldn't give him).

Surprise cut: Brandon Carr

That might stun some people, especially after he had yet another clutch interception late in the game against Oakland, but the simple reality is we aren't getting anywhere with these cornerbacks. They don't fit the system, and without enough resources dedicated towards the pass rush, this defense simply isn't going anywhere.

Quite frankly the guy just gets paid entirely too much money for a player who again quite frankly gets beat too much. Cutting him in June saves cost 4.717 million, saving us 7.5 million this year. It doesn't save us much for 2015, but then reopens the salary cap in 2016.

I think a lot of our season next year relies on our ability to finish reforming this offensive line, and completely reforming the defensive line (that probably includes Hatcher, who I don't think we're going to be able to afford). It would be a great help if Waters could return again next year, but clearly we can't rely on that (nor can we rely on him staying healthy).

As I've been saying Rounds 1-3 are G/DT/DE

We might be able to use Doug Free for one more year as long as we upgrade a guard spot. Even if Waters comes back, and plays like he did last year, I'd still draft someone to push/replace Leary.

Miles Austin just needs to be gone. Can't wait to see what we can do with reps going to players who deserve them in training camp. Terrance Williams seemingly hit the rookie wall this year, but with a year under his belt he should come on strong next year. Beasley should also be pretty well developed going into his 3rd year.

The annoying thing is that we probably still need to address the running back situation still. And that certainly complicates things. If the right running back is there, I'd even take one in the 1st, which goes against everything I said about the offensive/defensive lines, and what I've said about drafting running backs in the 1st round. Can you find a running back in any round? Sure, but it's obviously going to be more successful doing so as early as possible.

Basically a lot of things have to happen, and we shouldn't get too attached to certain players because we need to see some change and improvement.

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You are delusional, I'm bookmarking this just so I can throw it in your face to show you how wrong you are in a few months.

Amazing, I cannot stand armchair GMs. You know absolutely nothing.

Risen Star said:

They'd definitely need to add a WR who can play outside as a backup to Dez and Williams, but my top 3 without Miles right now would have Dwayne Harris in it and not Cole "the lollipop guild" Beasley.

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harris has garcon/boldin type toughness. i just don't think he can get open consistently. he won't be more than a 4th receiver here ever. i wish they'd use him more out of the backfield. he can throw the ball right? why no trick plays involving harris? total lack of creativity from the offensive staff....

Cutting Carr would be absolutely pointless. That would accomplish literally nothing besides create another position of need. He's turning out to be one of the best free agent pick ups we've had in quite awhile.

The only way you cut or trade a guy like Carr is if you have a viable replacement already on the roster (a la Williams vs Miles) or if you're headed towards complete rebuild mode. Neither of which is true for this team right now.

DavidS said:

You are delusional, I'm bookmarking this just so I can throw it in your face to show you how wrong you are in a few months.

Amazing, I cannot stand armchair GMs. You know absolutely nothing.

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Dude, this is a discussion forum. It's about discussing thoughts and ideas. If we didn't have that, we wouldn't have a forum. Chill out or at least tell him why you think he's wrong.