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Chocolate Lab · Mar 11, 2014

FuzzyLumpkins said:
You have become quite the drama queen lately, theebs.

And what if he turns out to be right about this year?

texbumthelife · Mar 11, 2014

I swear, some of you guys are just here to troll and play devil's advocate. Melton isn't going to play like the best DT in the game, but he also isn't going to get paid like one or expect to be one. However, he offers legitimacy to the position and potential for very good play for the next several seasons.

How anyone can't sit there and piss and moan about signing Melton and letting Hatcher walk, and then in the very same breath whine about money and youth, is beside me. Trolls. The thick of you.

iceberg · Mar 11, 2014

theebs said:
I wish you could make that happen for me!

oh just start calling me names. i'll know the love behind the hate.

AsthmaField · Mar 11, 2014

Melton is a good 3-tech for Marinelli's scheme, is 27 and the acl shouldn't be an issue.

I would take him over Hatcher at 31 any time.

CowboysLaw87 · Mar 11, 2014

My thoughts on Melton...

- I'm not concerned about the off the field stuff. A single arrest and not for drugs, domestic violence, etc... not to sound ignorant, but it just doesn't phase me.
- The knee is a tiny bit of a concern, but it happened early in the year and by all accounts he's coming along well. If anything it certainly should help keep the price tag lower.

Overall, I think Hatcher is a slightly better player. However, the fact that Melton is 4 years+ younger is a BIG deal. I think it's important to stay consistent in our approach, and if we're not paying age with Ware, I think we should be deferential towards youth in Melton. If we sign Melton, it also means that Marinelli signed off on him, which is important for what it tells us about him from both an on and off-field perspective.

theebs · Mar 11, 2014

iceberg said:
oh just start calling me names. i'll know the love behind the hate.

no reason to do that.

But tell them I did in a complaint or something then I can get the chair

texbumthelife · Mar 11, 2014

How on earth does a guy with one serious injury have "a history of injuries"? Am I missing something? If we didn't touch anyone who had one injury playing the game, we wouldn't have a single player.

AsthmaField · Mar 11, 2014

Hatcher isn't physically anywhere close to what Marinelli wants in a 3-tech... he's just the best he had last year.

Hatcher got 11 sacks in that 3-tech spot last year in large part because that position is set up for success. Whoever plays that spot is going to get some sacks. IMO, a healthy Melton will get more than a healthy Hatcher. He's more prototype for the scheme and the position.

When he was with the Bears and healthy in 2012, there wasn't anyone here saying anything but good things about his play. He was a beast.

Throw in the age difference and the choice is easy for me. Plus I won't have to listen to all the people say Jerry is nuts for paying age... I just have to listen to them say how much better Hatcher is than Melton.

CowboysLaw87 · Mar 11, 2014

AsthmaField said:
Hatcher isn't physically anywhere close to what Marinelli wants in a 3-tech... he's just the best he had last year.

Hatcher got 11 sacks in that 3-tech spot last year in large part because that position is set up for success. Whoever plays that spot is going to get some sacks. IMO, a healthy Melton will get more than a healthy Hatcher. He's more prototype for the scheme and the position.

When he was with the Bears and healthy in 2012, there wasn't anyone here saying anything but good things about his play. He was a beast.

Throw in the age difference and the choice is easy for me. Plus I won't have to listen to all the people say Jerry is nuts for paying age... I just have to listen to them say how much better Hatcher is than Melton.

Not sure I'd take that much away from Hatcher's performance, but agree overall. It's simple... body of work wise, Melton is the superior (or at an absolutely minimum an equal) 3T. He's also 4 years and 3 months younger. Henry Melton was regarded as a top 5 4-3 DT in the league about 6 months ago.

Common Sense · Mar 11, 2014

CowboysLaw87 said:
Not sure I'd take that much away from Hatcher's performance, but agree overall. It's simple... body of work wise, Melton is the superior (or at an absolutely minimum an equal) 3T. He's also 4 years and 3 months younger. Henry Melton was regarded as a top 5 4-3 DT in the league about 6 months ago.

Didn't you hear? He's a bum. Trash. Worst Pro Bowler of all time.

AsthmaField · Mar 11, 2014

Common Sense said:
Didn't you hear? He's a bum. Trash. Worst Pro Bowler of all time.

lol....

perrykemp · Mar 11, 2014

Common Sense said:
Henry Melton has 15.5 sacks in 3.5 seasons and is considered one of the best at his position. Are you trolling?

Thats 4.4 sacks per season. He must be a heck of a run stopper....

I think the point some are trying to make here is Melton would be a nice addition, however, it would be foolish to expect him to play at the level Hatcher played last year. I understand he is younger and that is a good thing, but this is going to be a step down in terms of production.

ceerrece · Mar 11, 2014

I think that signing Melton is a good move, but only if the Cowboys pay the right price. The injury on his knee is a small problem compared to the one that represents overpaid him for his services.

CowboysLaw87 · Mar 11, 2014

perrykemp said:
Thats 4.4 sacks per season. He must be a heck of a run stopper....

I think the point some are trying to make here is Melton would be a nice addition, however, it would be foolish to expect him to play at the level Hatcher played last year. I understand he is younger and that is a good thing, but this is going to be a step down in terms of production.

Just taking the average for sacks doesn't tell the truth. Doing the same with Hatcher gives you a 3.375 sacks/year average. Melton's last 2 full(ish) seasons were 2011 (7 sacks) and 2012 (6 sacks). We've got a nice estimate of 6.5 sacks there. You mention that's a step down from Hatcher in terms of production... here's the thing... Hatcher would be a step down too. He's not getting 11 sacks again.

If I had to guess, I'd say Melton gets 7 sacks and Hatcher gets 8 in this scheme with a full slate of games played.

CowboysLaw87 · Mar 11, 2014

Asthma, you cool with signing Melton/Hatcher knowing that it severely reduces the chances of making Donald the pick (even if he's there at #16)?

Common Sense · Mar 11, 2014

perrykemp said:
Thats 4.4 sacks per season. He must be a heck of a run stopper....

I think the point some are trying to make here is Melton would be a nice addition, however, it would be foolish to expect him to play at the level Hatcher played last year. I understand he is younger and that is a good thing, but this is going to be a step down in terms of production.

Resigning Hatcher won't give you the same level of production, either, especially without Ware. You're looking at a step down, either way. Melton was a Pro Bowler under Marinelli, before everyone forgets.

perrykemp · Mar 11, 2014

Common Sense said:
Resigning Hatcher won't give you the same level of production, either, especially without Ware. You're looking at a step down, either way. Melton was a Pro Bowler under Marinelli, before everyone forgets.

I think Melton is a good player. I wasn't a huge a fan of Hatcher but he was pretty dominant last year. It sucks Hatcher waited until his 30's to show what he was truly capable of.

Common Sense · Mar 11, 2014

CowboysLaw87 said:
Asthma, you cool with signing Melton/Hatcher knowing that it severely reduces the chances of making Donald the pick (even if he's there at #16)?

I wouldn't bank on him being there anymore unless the Bears plan on playing Houston at the 3-technique. That said, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that Melton's injury could force the market to cough up a short-term deal. Donald and Melton would be one hell of a rotation.

AsthmaField · Mar 11, 2014

CowboysLaw87 said:
Asthma, you cool with signing Melton/Hatcher knowing that it severely reduces the chances of making Donald the pick (even if he's there at #16)?

Ha... Well, I'd rather have a free agent DE and draft Donald, but I don't really see a DE that is as ideal a fit for us as Melton is at 3T.

I think Melton is a very good pickup for us though, and I would be happy to have him on the team. He really will help.

I still want Donald to be drafted by us, and who knows, they might. Marinelli is going to send rushers in waves after the QB and I'm sure he could find a way to use Melton and Donald up and down the line.

I certainly wouldn't expect it though.

I am not married to any one prospect. I'm a Cowboy fan first. I just think Donald is ideal to help us.

WittenFan · Mar 11, 2014

Isn't the real question here what's the contract going to look like? Hatcher has said he's going to the highest bidder. If the contract for Melton is favorable, it seems to me it makes the most sense to sign him. Yes, Hatcher had a great year last year but how do we know THAT production wasn't a fluke? I don't think anyone expects Melton to come in and be the greatest DT to play the game, but for the age, familiarity with the system and probable contract numbers, you take him.

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