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Dave_in-NC · Nov 7, 2014

Plankton said:
I don't think Manziel is mature enough to handle playing in Dallas. There would be far too many distractions for him, and I think he would fail badly. Pass.

Remember Jerry was ready to pull the trigger, he must be bored with his current drinking buddies.

Western · Nov 7, 2014

As a franchise, you do not draft a 1st round QB with the expectations that he will be 2nd string.
Cleveland is in a tricky situation.
If they continue to overachieve and win important games late in the season with Hoyer as QB, the organization, players on the squad, and even the Browns' fan base will believe Hoyer is their future leader. And why not, Manizel has proven nothing so far.

The longer Manizel is riding the bench, his trade value will plummet overtime.
Prior to the draft, if the Cleveland brass did a better a job at evaluating their roster they would have realized that a QB in the first round was not needed.

Does Dallas trade for Manizel?
Given Romo's tenuous health situation which will cause uncertainty about his future performances, if Jerry can finesse the Browns for a 3rd round pick for Manziel, it could be a fair deal (in 1987 the 49ers traded a 2nd round and a 4th round pick to the Buccaneers for Steve Young).
Inevitably it requires some risk and vision, but the potential return on the investment could be worthwhile.

Doomsday101 · Nov 7, 2014

TheCount said:
Considering most teams only have 18 or so players with 1st round grades, there are guys taken in the first every year that aren't necessarily 1st round quality, doesn't mean they aren't worth taking in the 1st round - seems to have worked with Frederick.

Everyone should have a chance to compete, so we agree there. That's different from saying Vaughn gets first crack.

I get that I would also say if you can get a guy in 1st rd who is a quality player deserving of a 1st rd grade then take him even if not a QB. Looking at the crop of QB I'm not seeing a big gap if any between guys projected as 2 to early 3rd and the 1st rd prospects at QB. Saying we got a 1st rd QB does not make it so in terms of talent.

big dog cowboy · Nov 7, 2014

Dave_in-NC said:
Jerry still loves the bling.

You mean OL?

noshame · Nov 7, 2014

The minute the trade deadline opens, JF will be a cowboy, no mater the cost.

DeaconBlues · Nov 7, 2014

Gaede said:
That scenario is very realistic.

As well as the two 1st rounders Clev will as for.

DandyDon1722 · Nov 7, 2014

CashMan said:
I wonder about the fan base sometimes. The support for players like Brent, Adrian Peterson, Greg Hardy, and now JF. Do some of you, not pay attention, to what happens off the field? Or is it all about winning? I am surprised, I have yet to see a post about bring Ray Rice, in.

Dude, c'mon. Lumping JF in with Hardy, Brent and Peterson and Ray Rice is really unfair. Those guys committed felony crimes. Manziel is guilty of being a frat boy with the responsibility of winning the Heisman Trophy. I might've been Johnny Football at is age, partying and hanging in Vegas with hot chicks.

I'm sure as hell not Greg Hardy.

GimmeTheBall! · Nov 7, 2014

WPBCowboysFan said:
Cris Carter "mentioned it" as he talked about Brian Hoyer doing well in Cleveland and how JFF would be popular in Texas. He said the Texans could use him to fill the building, and then he just had to mention Dallas if something happens to Romo.

This is intriging to me, Gimme, a proud son of the Hills of Farmers Branch.

thank you and I salute you for the post.

DanTanna · Nov 7, 2014

coogrfan said:
Dude...Cleveland is in first place in their division. What the hell are you talking about?

Reading comprehension coog. Note that I said Cleveland is happy with where they are at. Notice how I said Hoyer will lead them to mediocrity. It isn't that hard to understand is it? Read.

Dave_in-NC · Nov 7, 2014

big dog cowboy said:
You mean OL?

Jerry clearly stated he got talked out of Johnny this year. If he declined listening to who ever Johnny would be on the team already.
He won't listen again given the chance I'm sure of it.

Coy · Nov 7, 2014

EGG said:
I want the next QB to be in the Luck mold, not RGIII light.

Me too but that kind of guy comes once every 20 years or so, and you probably need a #1 pick to get a guy like that which I don´t see that happening anytime soon, you´ve got to get lucky like NE, GB, Sea, Dallas, Pittsburgh etc. that´s why this fan base should appreciate even more who we have as a QB right now.

Saying that, if something were to happen to Romo, I wouldn´t mind trading a draft pick for Manziel, not a first but maybe a third or something.

Next Years Champ · Nov 7, 2014

conner01 said:
if he can't beat out hoyer then it's obvious he is not ready to start in the nfl. he needs to develope and i don't see cleveland trading him while he is signed cheap and would'nt bring anywhere close to what they gave for him. he is in a good situation,he does'nt have to start. he can learn, grow up and develope as a qb without the pressure of being a starter

But can they afford to keep a guy like Manziel on the bench paying him first round money?

Hey..

they dumped Weeden after 2 seasons in a similar situation?

I think it's possible he is shopped.

I also think Cleveland took him as an investment being how he'd dropped in the draft..

..figuring they could afford to take a look and if it wasn't a fit..

they could reverse it all and deal him.

I wish we had taken him..

maybe it will still happen.

Gaede · Nov 7, 2014

M'Kevon said:
As well as the two 1st rounders Clev will as for.

They wouldn't get that from anyone. Id expect a 1st and 3rd. Or 1st and a player

erod · Nov 7, 2014

This makes no sense.

Manziel is a cheap backup for years for Cleveland; why would they trade him now?

UNLESS they think he's a bust. (Which he is.) Then they look for a sucker.

"Jerry, Cleveland on line 1...."

tyke1doe · Nov 7, 2014

stasheroo said:
This glosses over the fact that he would have and should have had to pay back $3 million in bonus money. Something he was never going to do. And if "money wasn't an issue", why did he take a $5 million deal with Buffalo? The fact is that money is always an issue.

That's all the leverage anyone needs and it's the point everyone wants to gloss over in defending the stupidity.

Orton was the second player to get "Money for Nuthin'" from Jerry Jones and this franchise, reinforcing the terrible precedent established by the Jay Ratliff debacle, another embarrassment everybody wants to erase from memory and pretend never happened.

The Orton situation was another botch job that I'm not about to excuse or pretend never happened.

And it tells the next malcontent that if you cause enough problems in Dallas, you'll get whatever you want.

And why do you say, he was never going to pay the bonus money back?
I think that statement fortifies our point. Orton wanted OUT of Dallas. And he took a position of playing hard ball with the Cowboys, but the Cowboys folded.

Second, I didn't mean "Money wasn't an issue" in the sense that he was going to play free. I mean he was willing to retire if he didn't get his way than to opt for the money and stay. Yes, that has happened before as many players - for one reason or another - have left money on the table and have left football. Orton wanted out. He got out. I think the Cowboys knew this and rather than go through the hassle, just let him go - money and all.

jazzcat22 · Nov 7, 2014

I believe Hoyer will be a FA after this year. Manziel is not going anywhere. We will finish his contract in Cleveland regardless. Unless some team like the Texans get desperate.
But Mallet will be starting now, so they have rest of this year to see about him.

Hoyer will get signed by someone. Rather Cleveland or as a FA. If Cleveland decides that JF is their guy.
Also much depends where Cleveland finishes this year.
A lot in play here, and too early to know. Except he will not be in Dallas.

DFWJC · Nov 7, 2014

pastordug said:
Just for fun......if there were a chance right now to get Tebow would you?

No thanks

Doomsday101 · Nov 7, 2014

Gaede said:
They wouldn't get that from anyone. Id expect a 1st and 3rd. Or 1st and a player

I agree, teams who were in need for a QB passed on him no one is handing over 1st rd let alone 2 1st rd picks. Cleveland may want that but it is not happening.

Doomsday101 · Nov 7, 2014

jazzcat22 said:
I believe Hoyer will be a FA after this year. Manziel is not going anywhere. We will finish his contract in Cleveland regardless. Unless some team like the Texans get desperate.
But Mallet will be starting now, so they have rest of this year to see about him.

Hoyer will get signed by someone. Rather Cleveland or as a FA. If Cleveland decides that JF is their guy.
Also much depends where Cleveland finishes this year.
A lot in play here, and too early to know. Except he will not be in Dallas.

I expect Hoyer will get a contract from Cleveland. Given how many QB Cleveland has gone through and now they have a QB who is producing and helping them win games they would be foolish to let him go.

Stash · Nov 7, 2014

tyke1doe said:
And why do you say, he was never going to pay the bonus money back?
I think that statement fortifies our point. Orton wanted OUT of Dallas. And he took a position of playing hard ball with the Cowboys, but the Cowboys folded.

I won't argue that they folded. But what I will say is that they had the option to enforce that Orton play or pay back the bonus money he'd been given. And they mistakenly chose neither.

Second, I didn't mean "Money wasn't an issue" in the sense that he was going to play free. I mean he was willing to retire if he didn't get his way than to opt for the money and stay. Yes, that has happened before as many players - for one reason or another - have left money on the table and have left football. Orton wanted out. He got out. I think the Cowboys knew this and rather than go through the hassle, just let him go - money and all.

But it wasn't simply a matter of "leaving money on the table", it was taking money out of your pocket and putting it back on the table.

And I don't think it's something as simple as "hassle" when players are refusing services for which they've already been paid. That's much more than a "hassle" in my opinion.

And now we have two examples where "the Cowboys folded". A bad precedent.

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