The debate over Murray's worth will likely swing heavily come Sunday

Jack Burton · Dec 19, 2014

Hopefully Dunbar or Randle can have a double dookie stick kind of game if Murray can't go.

LOBO7 · Dec 19, 2014

We may have to use the script from years past this week,
using the pass to set up the run. Draws, play action, quick strike.
Hopefully Randle with fresh legs runs crazy like Duane Thomas
did so many years ago when he was given a chance as a replacement back.
We will find a way. This is our year.

tyke1doe · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
Since Emmitt left Jerry has made some big miscalculations when it comes to RB's. I mentioned Hambrick who Jerry was sold on a starter watching him stumble through gaping holes in relief of Emmitt. He was foolish enough to think Barber was a feature back who could do as an every down starter what he did as a fresh legged role player in relief. He gave him a lot of money then used a #1 draft pick on Felix Jones to compliment him.

Barber quickly faded once his carries increased and Felix was another back who looked terrific in relief. When the Cowboys moved on from Barber and Felix got the opportunity to start and his carries increased he looked nowhere near like he did in relief and his rushing average went way down. Jerry made a comment several weeks ago saying the Cowboys would be fine with Randle because like all the other backups the Cowboys have had he's looked good in relief.

I don't see why this would pose a problem. Randle and Dunbar aren't considered top-tier backs like Murray. That's like comparing Sherwin Williams and Derrick Lassic to Emmitt Smith behind the Great Wall of Dallas.

KJJ · Dec 19, 2014

tyke1doe said:
I don't see why this would pose a problem. Randle and Dunbar aren't considered top-tier backs like Murray. That's like comparing Sherwin Williams and Derrick Lassic to Emmitt Smith behind the Great Wall of Dallas.

With this OL some don't think we need a top tier back to continue running the ball the way we are.

Doomsday101 · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
With this OL some don't think we need a top tier back to continue running the ball the way we are.

True, one thing gets left out he leads in YAC. OL does a very good job but Murray tough running allows him to pick up more yards

tyke1doe · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
With this OL some don't think we need a top tier back to continue running the ball the way we are.

You always go for a top-tier back. I don't think Dunbar and Randle are top-tier backs. In fact, I've noticed on a few occasions, the line will open holes, but they don't seem to have the leg drive to get that extra yard for the first down.
If money is not an issue, you never settle for a second-tier player at ANY position if a first-tier player is available.

LatinMind · Dec 19, 2014

Dallas Cowboys said:
Imagine for a moment that Randle and Dunbar burst onto the scene in Murray's absence, The talk of our offensive line being the catalyst that sprung Murray will go into over drive. It could go a long way in either parting ways with him or driving his price down.

However, if they fail to produce, then many who have sold Murray short will likely jump on the opposing bandwagon and reconsider cutting ties with him. If this were the outcome, I'd certainly hate to be either Randle or Dunbar. There would be no talk of a future with them, as it would be all about Murray or bringing in an outsider.

The only debate about murray is happening by people on fan forums. What dont people understand about the team already offering him a contract. He said no. He is playing for his next contract with another team. IMO he is gone in 2015. Unless he comes down from his asking price. I think Dallas will offer another deal slightly higher. Maybe 4 yrs 20 mil. BUt i think some other team will give him what he wants. But he will see the grass isnt always greener somewhere else. This OL is the real story here in Dallas. The sooner some of you get that through your heads, the sooner you will stop worrying about Murray

KJJ · Dec 19, 2014

tyke1doe said:
You always go for a top-tier back. I don't think Dunbar and Randle are top-tier backs. In fact, I've noticed on a few occasions, the line will open holes, but they don't seem to have the leg drive to get that extra yard for the first down.
If money is not an issue, you never settle for a second-tier player at ANY position if a first-tier player is available.

Agree!

xwalker · Dec 19, 2014

Dallas Cowboys said:
Imagine for a moment that Randle and Dunbar burst onto the scene in Murray's absence, The talk of our offensive line being the catalyst that sprung Murray will go into over drive. It could go a long way in either parting ways with him or driving his price down.

However, if they fail to produce, then many who have sold Murray short will likely jump on the opposing bandwagon and reconsider cutting ties with him. If this were the outcome, I'd certainly hate to be either Randle or Dunbar. There would be no talk of a future with them, as it would be all about Murray or bringing in an outsider.

People will say that but Martin could miss the game or will definitely be limited.

KJJ · Dec 19, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
True, one thing gets left out he leads in YAC. OL does a very good job but Murray tough running allows him to pick up more yards

The problem is a lot of fans don't see that. It's like with Emmitt most gave the OL the credit and still do to this day due to the Cowboys having what most consider the greatest OL in NFL history. That OL was so great it's been named the Great Wall of Dallas and was documented in NFLN's A Football Life. Not even Emmitt's career has been documented on it's A Football Life yet but several other backs have including Terrell Davis who'll never have a bust in Canton. Emmitt came out of some piles and made plays on his own at times but he's been disrespected some due to the Cowboys great OL. The same with Murray the OL is receiving most of the credit and it's clearly been part of the reason for his success but as I've said several times he had some big games before this OL was built.

Doomsday101 · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
The problem is a lot of fans don't see that. It's like with Emmitt most gave the OL the credit and still do to this day due to the Cowboys having what most consider the greatest OL in NFL history. That OL was so great it's been named the Great Wall of Dallas and was documented in NFLN's A Football Life. Not even Emmitt's career has been documented on it's A Football Life yet but several other backs have including Terrell Davis who'll never have a bust in Canton. Emmitt came out of some piles and made plays on his owe at times but he's been disrespected some due to the Cowboys great OL. The same with Murray the OL is receiving most of the credit and it's clearly been part of the reason but as I've said several times he had some big games before this OL was built.

I agree which is why I think Emmitt is one of the best All Around RB to play the game. Rushing, blocking and receiving, Barry Sanders may have been the best pure runner I have seen but when it came to the all around game I take Emmitt any day of the week. While OL does deserve credit and Emmitt would be the 1st to do so, no other RB who played behind Emmitt never did much and when Emmitt missed games due to injury or holdout we did not win many games.

KJJ · Dec 19, 2014

Doomsday101 said:
I agree which is why I think Emmitt is one of the best All Around RB to play the game. Rushing, blocking and receiving, Barry Sanders may have been the best pure runner I have seen but when it came to the all around game I take Emmitt any day of the week. While OL does deserve credit and Emmitt would be the 1st to do so, no other RB who played behind Emmitt never did much and when Emmitt missed games due to injury or holdout we did not win many games.

As most remember the Cowboys started off the 93 season 0-2 while Emmitt was holding out. Derrick Lassic got 3 starts that season behind The Great Wall of Dallas and averaged only 3.6 yards a carry. In 3 starts he never rushed for more than 75 yards. In Emmitt's 4th start that season he rushed for a then franchise record 237 yards vs Philly on a rain soaked seamed up turf at the Vet.

Doomsday101 · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
As most remember the Cowboys started off the 93 season 0-2 while Emmitt was holding out. Derrick Lassic got 3 starts that season behind The Great Wall of Dallas and averaged only 3.6 yards a carry. In 3 starts he never rushed for more than 75 yards. In Emmitt's 4th start that season he rushed for a then franchise record 237 yards vs Philly on a rain soaked seamed up turf at the Vet.

yep remember it well. Funny can't remember a lot of things but remember a lot of Cowboys games. lol I also recall Jimmy was upset with Emmitt out and wanted him signed and Haley putting his helmet through a wall. Those player and coaches knew how much Emmitt Smith meant to that team.

big dog cowboy · Dec 19, 2014

LatinMind said:
This OL is the real story here in Dallas. The sooner some of you get that through your heads, the sooner you will stop worrying about Murray

Pretty snarky remark for something that passes as fairly obvious to even the most casual observer.

NextGenBoys · Dec 19, 2014

LandryFan said:
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that scenario play out. And I think you're right in that he wants to stay in Dallas and that Dallas would love to keep him. I just don't think Murray would go for that type of contract and that Jerry won't be willing to pay him what he'll get from somebody else out there. If it goes down that way, I wouldn't blame Murray for taking his payday. I could be wrong, however...wouldn't be the first time.

If that's the case and Murray won't take an icentive laden, cap friendly deal, and wants to go for the bank, good riddance. He will always be a Cowboy to me, I enjoyed his time here, as he's one of my favorite players. I think he's a special player.

But if he wants somewhere around 10 mil a year, there's no way. We can find a replacement for much cheaper, albeit somewhat of a drop off talent wise.

JD_KaPow · Dec 19, 2014

KJJ said:
As most remember the Cowboys started off the 93 season 0-2 while Emmitt was holding out. Derrick Lassic got 3 starts that season behind The Great Wall of Dallas and averaged only 3.6 yards a carry. In 3 starts he never rushed for more than 75 yards. In Emmitt's 4th start that season he rushed for a then franchise record 237 yards vs Philly on a rain soaked seamed up turf at the Vet.

Murray's an excellent back; I don't think anyone is arguing against that, and if they are, they're silly. I will note this, though:

1992: Emmitt 4.6 ypa, Richards 3.6
1993: Emmitt 5.3, Lassic 3.6
1994: Emmitt 4.0, Coleman 2.8
1995: Emmitt 4.7, Williams 4.3

2014: Murray 4.8, Randle 7.0 (Dunbar 3.5)

I'm very pleased with Randle as the backup and fully expect him to have a fine game if Murray can't go or is limited. (Of course, if Free's out and Martin can't go or is limited, we may have some problems no matter who the RB is).

LatinMind · Dec 19, 2014

big dog cowboy said:
Pretty snarky remark for something that passes as fairly obvious to even the most casual observer.

think jerry has even said this without actually saying it directly. "you give Randle 20 carries a game he'll get you 100"

darthseinfeld · Dec 19, 2014

I think Randle will have a big game of he starts and it doesnt have anything to do with his ability or the offensive line. Its the fact that his legs are fresh and he is playing a defense with a full season of wear and tear

Its pretty common at this point in the season for backup HBs to have big games in place of starters

Next Years Champ · Dec 19, 2014

Dallas Cowboys said:
Imagine for a moment that Randle and Dunbar burst onto the scene in Murray's absence, The talk of our offensive line being the catalyst that sprung Murray will go into over drive. It could go a long way in either parting ways with him or driving his price down.

However, if they fail to produce, then many who have sold Murray short will likely jump on the opposing bandwagon and reconsider cutting ties with him. If this were the outcome, I'd certainly hate to be either Randle or Dunbar. There would be no talk of a future with them, as it would be all about Murray or bringing in an outsider.

I'm not too concerned about Dunbar or Randle and their possible hurt feelings.

If that prevents them from playing their best..

cut them both.

I mean it.

Murray has had to take the last 4 years to become who he is today.

I love the guy and pray he plays Sunday and turns in an Emmitt Smith injured performance.

But frankly..

he has earned whatever he gets whether its with us or some other team.

But frankly..

he'd have to be insane and want to leave Dallas and THIS OL.

They are his ticket to success.

I sure wouldn't leave.

ilovejerry · Dec 19, 2014

Dallas Cowboys said:
Imagine for a moment that Randle and Dunbar burst onto the scene in Murray's absence, The talk of our offensive line being the catalyst that sprung Murray will go into over drive. It could go a long way in either parting ways with him or driving his price down.

However, if they fail to produce, then many who have sold Murray short will likely jump on the opposing bandwagon and reconsider cutting ties with him. If this were the outcome, I'd certainly hate to be either Randle or Dunbar. There would be no talk of a future with them, as it would be all about Murray or bringing in an outsider.

I hope Im not the only who thinks this but Im going on Record I wouldn't sign Murray I would bring in AP

The debate over Murray's worth will likely swing heavily come Sunday

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