NFL Files Suit for Hardy File 2 hours after signing

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Corso said:
I would actually take you up on that bet. I think they have an idea, but they don't know. The commish doesn't know...
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It's simply not due diligence. JJones may not be loved by the NFL but his a power inside
player.On some of the committees and is an influence. Now they may have been saying
Jerry we don't like this guy and are going to suspend for such and such games .
The commish is a phone call away. Of course i dont know but I feel like that's how
successful business is run.
 
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bkight13 said:
Didn't the Court say they gave everything back after the bench trial and the the DA basically said they don't have it either. Hardy's team should not be forced to turn over privileged material that could only hurt their client.
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I have no idea what they did with all those documents. The problem I have is the NFL side-stepping a court ruling that has already exonerated him of the crime.
 
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waving monkey said:
It's simply not due diligence. JJones may not be loved by the NFL but his a power inside
player.On some of the committees and is an influence. Now they may have been saying
Jerry we don't like this guy and are going to suspend for such and such games .
The commish is a phone call away. Of course i dont know but I feel like that's how
successful business is run.
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Maybe it is all cloak and dagger. I'm sure there are elements of this happening. I just don't believe Jerry called Goodell and told him- Hey. I'm thinking of signing Greg Hardy. What you got going on with him for next season?
And if the call ever took place, I doubt he got a straight answer. I truly, truly doubt it. If he got an answer (if he made the call, mind you) it was rubbish that told Jerry nothing more than maybe zip, maybe 6 games.

But maybe he did... Maybe he got that straight answer and it's foretold in the structure of the contract.
I could see that too.
I doubt it, but heck- why not, right?
 

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waving monkey said:
It's simply not due diligence. JJones may not be loved by the NFL but his a power inside
player.On some of the committees and is an influence. Now they may have been saying
Jerry we don't like this guy and are going to suspend for such and such games .
The commish is a phone call away. Of course i dont know but I feel like that's how
successful business is run.
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USMarineVet said:
The NFL's request was denied the first time. There's no reason to believe they'll be granted access this time.
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The NFL is wasting time and dragging this out. they need to make a decision and live with it. i don't think there should be any suspension. the man has already missed a year of playing.(he missed 15 out of 16 games last year)that is enough. what more do the NFL and people want? enough already.
 
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dallasdave said:
North Carolina Attorney General and the Mecklenburg County District Attorney need to counter sue the NFL and make it clear the NFL is a business and not a court of law. Should Taco Bell be allowed to sue the North Carolina Attorney General and the Mecklenburg County District Attorney over information about one of their employees? Of course not and the NFL should not have any special rights over other businesses. This problem needs to cured even if it has to go to the supreme court to put the NFL in its place. The NFL is not a court of law, or a police department, or a legislative branch. The NFL is a business and deserves no special privilege or special information. The court reports and information are not the NFLs business. The NFL needs to be put in its place and in no uncertain terms.
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I left one thing out of my rant, the NFL is not a church, they are just a business. and should not make moral judgements.
 
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rat2k8 said:
He did get paid so he missed nothing.
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Wrong. He missed out on the opportunity to negotiate for a fair market deal when he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. The lack of a decision and the dragging of feet by the NFL seriously hampered his market value due to the uncertainty of his availability for the upcoming season. In turn, Hardy had to negotiate a one year "prove it deal" which could seriously hamper his ability to negotiate a long term deal next year in the event that he suffers a serious injury during the course of the 2015 league year. In effect, he was basically forced to burn a year of his NFL career accepting a contract at far below market value (due to "unlikely to be achieved escalators" in his contract. For a guy that is in the upper echelon of pass rushers in the league, that's a major blow to his earning potential during the prime of his career. The whole "he missed nothing" argument is weak and false from the word go.
 

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The NFL goes too far with this stuff. The guy was exonerated so buzz off,,,, no suspension either.
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Indeed. I see absolutely no reason that this isn't thrown out of court in short order. What possible legal basis does the NFL have to compel a town or state's prosecutor or police to turn over investigative materials ?! None that I can tell. What a horrific precedent that would set. How many of YOU would want your employer suing to get your criminal records from something where you weren't even convicted?! Nonsense
 
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skinsscalper said:
Wrong. He missed out on the opportunity to negotiate for a fair market deal when he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. The lack of a decision and the dragging of feet by the NFL seriously hampered his market value due to the uncertainty of his availability for the upcoming season. In turn, Hardy had to negotiate a one year "prove it deal" which could seriously hamper his ability to negotiate a long term deal next year in the event that he suffers a serious injury during the course of the 2015 league year. In effect, he was basically forced to burn a year of his NFL career accepting a contract at far below market value (due to "unlikely to be achieved escalators" in his contract. For a guy that is in the upper echelon of pass rushers in the league, that's a major blow to his earning potential during the prime of his career. The whole "he missed nothing" argument is weak and false from the word go.
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You can get an "Amen" for this. Someone who understands the entire picture. Nice to see.
 
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Wrong. He missed out on the opportunity to negotiate for a fair market deal when he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. The lack of a decision and the dragging of feet by the NFL seriously hampered his market value due to the uncertainty of his availability for the upcoming season. In turn, Hardy had to negotiate a one year "prove it deal" which could seriously hamper his ability to negotiate a long term deal next year in the event that he suffers a serious injury during the course of the 2015 league year. In effect, he was basically forced to burn a year of his NFL career accepting a contract at far below market value (due to "unlikely to be achieved escalators" in his contract. For a guy that is in the upper echelon of pass rushers in the league, that's a major blow to his earning potential during the prime of his career. The whole "he missed nothing" argument is weak and false from the word go.
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who cares he got 13 million!!!!
 

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skinsscalper said:
Wrong. He missed out on the opportunity to negotiate for a fair market deal when he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. The lack of a decision and the dragging of feet by the NFL seriously hampered his market value due to the uncertainty of his availability for the upcoming season. In turn, Hardy had to negotiate a one year "prove it deal" which could seriously hamper his ability to negotiate a long term deal next year in the event that he suffers a serious injury during the course of the 2015 league year. In effect, he was basically forced to burn a year of his NFL career accepting a contract at far below market value (due to "unlikely to be achieved escalators" in his contract. For a guy that is in the upper echelon of pass rushers in the league, that's a major blow to his earning potential during the prime of his career. The whole "he missed nothing" argument is weak and false from the word go.
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Yep. and that's even more punishment added on to the 15 games he was not allowed to play in last year. yet the NFL, the media, and a lot of people want even more blood. enough is enough. let the man play football.
 
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AmericanCowboy said:
Watch he will end up suspended 8 games.
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Personally if any suspension is handed down Hardy could appeal it and with Doty's current ruling he could tie this up in court for the season. The NFL will do their due diligence and make a face saving statement to the effect, "We investigated and due tot he fact the conviction was overturned on appeal and there is too much conflicting info, Hardy will not be suspended but will be put on the two strike list, yada, yada, yada."
 
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cowboyvic said:
Yep. and that's even more punishment added on to the 15 games he was not allowed to play in last year. yet the NFL, the media, and a lot of people want even more blood. enough is enough. let the man play football.
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And was potentially robbed of $100 million+. Forget it. The concept is obviously above your comprehension level.
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The commissioner's list should never be used again. Hardy and Peterson got railroaded. Missing games and being labeled as guilty until proven innocent is no laughing matter.

Peterson then plead to a misdemeanor and Hardy had the charges dropped and the NFL refused to take those outcomes into account. They still want to be the judge and jury. If that is the case then why wait, just get it over it. They still haven't been removed from the exempt list. It is impacting their pay and the futures greatly.
 
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I really the NFL is the wrong state away from having a huge lawsuit leveled at them. I know there are many States that prohibit employers from investigating employee criminal conduct outside of the workplace unless it specifically relates to the work.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/monitoring-employees-off-duty-conduct-29994.html

Illegal Activities
May an employer take action against an employee who has been arrested for driving under the influence or convicted of a crime? If an employer learns that a worker has engaged in illegal conduct off duty, can the employer ask the worker about it? In many states, the answer to these questions is "no," unless the off-duty illegality has some concrete impact on the employee's work or the employer's business interests. An employer would be entitled to look into the drunk driving arrest or conviction of a bus driver or the embezzlement conviction of a bank employee, for example.
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Good luck trying to show a revenue loss due to Domestic Violence.
 
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bkight13 said:
The commissioner's list should never be used again. Hardy and Peterson got railroaded. Missing games and being labeled as guilty until proven innocent is no laughing matter.

Peterson then plead to a misdemeanor and Hardy had the charges dropped and the NFL refused to take those outcomes into account. They still want to be the judge and jury. If that is the case then why wait, just get it over it. They still haven't been removed from the exempt list. It is impacting their pay and the futures greatly.
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How did Peterson get railroaded? That was a four year old kid.
 
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sacase said:
I really the NFL is the wrong state away from having a huge lawsuit leveled at them. I know there are many States that prohibit employers from investigating employee criminal conduct outside of the workplace unless it specifically relates to the work.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/monitoring-employees-off-duty-conduct-29994.html



Good luck trying to show a revenue loss due to Domestic Violence.
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I agree, but I wouldn't put it past the NFL to fight. They could argue protests or sponsors withdrawing would hurt revenues. I know that is how the NBA got rid of Donald Sterling.
 
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bkight13 said:
I agree, but I wouldn't put it past the NFL to fight. They could argue protests or sponsors withdrawing would hurt revenues. I know that is how the NBA got rid of Donald Sterling.
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yeah but they would have to show a concrete impact. You can't just project losses. You have to have actual losses. Even then I would be surprised if that was accepted.
 
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Dave_in-NC said:
How did Peterson get railroaded? That was a four year old kid.
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Personally I think he went too far in punishing his child. But I don't believe the intent was abuse, it was purely discipline. I think it should have been handled in a private family court type setting and not been criminal. But even if it was criminal, it was adjudicated as a misdemeanor.

Beyond that the League tricked him into going on the commissioners list. They implied that if he got it adjudicated quickly they would allow a quick return and the time on the list would be considered time served. His missed 8 games and then was suspended for the last 6 games. He could have been fined 6 game checks and been reinstated. He still hasn't been allowed back and the League is still pushing the matter after Judge Doty ruled against them.
 
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bkight13 said:
Personally I think he went to far in punishing his child. But I don't believe the intent was abuse, it was purely discipline. I think it should have been handled in a private family court type setting and not been criminal. But even if it was criminal, it was adjudicated as a misdemeanor.

Beyond that the League tricked him into going on the commissioners list. They implied that if he got it adjudicated quickly they would allow a quick return and the time on the list would be considered time served. His missed 8 games and then was suspended for the last 6 games. He could have been fined 6 game checks and been reinstated. He still hasn't been allowed back and the League is still pushing the matter after Judge Doty ruled against them.
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I hear you but intent or not that was beyond punishing a 4yo. There's people that have spent time for beating kids like that. AP had some great lawyers.
 
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