News: Bob Sturm: Why I was so wrong about Cowboys coach Jason Garrett

CATCH17 · Jul 24, 2015

mattjames2010 said:
The "Jerry kept Garrett for his ego" is tabloid fodder. It should be kept out of this discussion unless you have proof of it.

lol it's tabloid fodder?

Garrett was brought here by Jerry before he even hired Wade as a HC and he was named offensive coordinator.

He had 1 good season with that title when Tony Sporano was holding his hand.

He had several games where he completely botched clock management and other in game situations and he still stuck around.

I will never forget the entire Jones family and 90 thousand Cowboy fans begging for him to call a timeout a couple years back.

Any other coach would've got canned after 2013 and the lack of success. Jerry's ego and Jasons contract definitely kept Jason for 1 more year.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 24, 2015

Dodger12 said:
DC, if you're going to form an opinion, then form it on facts that are at least accurate. McClay wasn't involved in the Floyd fiasco. Tom Ciskowski was. I'm not even sure McClay was mentioned in the Floyd discussions. It was Marinelli who was pretty much was against drafting Floyd because he didn't fit into his scheme.

And the input to bring in Kiffin was from Lacewell. This whole thing about Garrett's input in certain situations like the Kiffin hiring are nothing more than pipe dreams and based on nothing other than your fantasy that Garrett is somehow in charge, is the arcitect and visionary for this team. There was reporting back then of DC's Garrett had interest in and Dom Capers came to mind. I'm sure there were others. I actually believe that Garrett is too smart to bring in a retread like Kiffin and that's saying a lot.

The part in bold is just too funny and keeps getting repeated as some barometer of success......"hey, he's never had a losing season and we were competitive!!!!" Talk about spin. You know as well as anyone that in today's NFL with the salary cap, roster turnover is a given. The system is made to that all teams can taste some success if they draft well and handle the cap.

I don't like Garrett as the HC of this team. I've admitted as much. My opinion is based on what he's brought to the table and done for the team. He's a horrendous play caller and the owner/GM agree with me. No lead is safe with Garrett as the HC/playcaller. That's a fact and based on results that we've seen. He can stand on the sideline and clap like a seal all day so long as we win. But that's where I base my opinion on...wins.

I'll pony up and admit I was wrong when this mystical rebuild and process leads to consistent winning. If Garrett didn't have a franchise QB, I wouldn't hold it against him. But he does and he's still found ways to lose games the team had no business losing.

well then...there you go...you have dug in.

glad you ain't running the team....

I bet billicheck, fox, couglin, Johnson, landry, on and on and on and on and on and on and on ...... have never lost a game they didn't have a business losing. yep. I bet they didn't

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
wait, would you and your buddies get together and come up with same story, because your garret hater buddies say its the schemes. now you say its not the scheme.

and if garrett didn't do a good job, how did he have 3 top 10 finishes in 6 years that he was the OC?

btw, did you know linehan when he was the HC at detriot set and all time record with number of pass attempts in a season? yeah, same linehan

Linehan showed that he is capable of what Garrett is not. Making an adjustment and implementing a running game. Garrett showed he could only do one thing............panic and wing the ball around.

Any fool can take a QB like Romo and receivers like Dez and Witten and rack up the yards and score some points.

But tell me...........how was our redzone offense? 3rd and long much? Could we run out the clock well when we had the lead? Were we a highly penalized offense? Under Linehan, miraculously all these things got fixed in ONE year. Same personnel, similar scheme, yet night and day with Linehan as opposed to Garrett.

But oh wait......Garrett is the guy that told Linehan to fix everything he couldnt right? LOL

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 24, 2015

CATCH17 said:
lol it's tabloid fodder?

Garrett was brought here by Jerry before he even hired Wade as a HC and he was named offensive coordinator.

He had 1 good season with that title when Tony Sporano was holding his hand.

He had several games where he completely botched clock management and other in game situations and he still stuck around.

I will never forget the entire Jones family and 90 thousand Cowboy fans begging for him to call a timeout a couple years back.

Any other coach would've got canned after 2013 and the lack of success. Jerry's ego and Jasons contract definitely kept Jason for 1 more year.

it is tabloid fodder.

what did sprano accomplish after he left dallas?

he had games he botched game management. no one has argued that.

give me one coach. any coach who has never done that?

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

Doomsday101 said:
I agree that I would not call him a great at this stage. Frankly there are very, very few HC who in their 1st 4 years I would call great. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Has he made questionable calls? Yep but then I don't know of a single HC who has walked the sidelines who have not made questionable calls.
I think this is a big season for Garrett and his reputation as a HC. Winning unexpectedly last season when most felt Dallas was nothing more than a 6 win team to hit 12-4 make post season and held our own with top teams was big. This season the expectation are high we will not sneak up on anyone and we will face some very good teams, how this season turns out I think will say a lot about Jason as a HC

I have NEVER seen a head coach make the mistakes that Garrett has made. And since when are the Dallas Cowboys the training ground for young, inexperienced head coaches trying to learn their way?

Are we some sort of farm team for coaches? We dont groom coaches here? How pathetic.

CATCH17 · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
so because he doesn't call enough play actions to your liking. he sucks!? is that it?

His unbalanced, straight forward, reactionary approach is why I think he sucks.

The Cowboys bring nothing to the table from an X's and O's standpoint and in a league of parity you have to have a team like we have currently built to get over that hump.

Some of those 8-8 years could've easily been 10-6 if we had a quality coach instead of a Jerry Puppet.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 24, 2015

CowboyRoy said:
Linehan showed that he is capable of what Garrett is not. Making an adjustment and implementing a running game. Garrett showed he could only do one thing............panic and wing the ball around.

Any fool can take a QB like Romo and receivers like Dez and Witten and rack up the yards and score some points.

But tell me...........how was our redzone offense? 3rd and long much? Could we run out the clock well when we had the lead? Were we a highly penalized offense? Under Linehan, miraculously all these things got fixed in ONE year. Same personnel, similar scheme, yet night and day with Linehan as opposed to Garrett.

But oh wait......Garrett is the guy that told Linehan to fix everything he couldnt right? LOL

wow. not sure what to say to this drivel.

how was the defense? how was the 3rd down defense? how many times were we behind in the 4th quarter by double digits? could we run the ball? vs. wanting to run the ball? not the same personnel. same scheme.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
it is tabloid fodder.

what did sprano accomplish after he left dallas?

he had games he botched game management. no one has argued that.

give me one coach. any coach who has never done that?

OMG.........Garrett did it over and over and over again. Year after year. He was absolutely HORRID as an OC. And even worse as a head coach/OC.

Isnt it just a little too coincidental that the FIRST year Garrett has the least amount of responsibility we break out? The VERY first year That Garrett doesnt call the offense we go from nearly worst to first in running the ball? Cmon, there is nothing coincidence about it.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
well then...there you go...you have dug in.

glad you ain't running the team....

I bet billicheck, fox, couglin, Johnson, landry, on and on and on and on and on and on and on ...... have never lost a game they didn't have a business losing. yep. I bet they didn't

But wait, Tom Brady won without a dominant run game, therefore No one needs to run the ball well and they shouldnt even try. Heck, what the heck were we doing last year? Linehan screwed up. Someone tell that fool to abandon the running game this year. AFter all, Tom Brady won without one. Bwaaaaa!!!!!

CATCH17 · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
it is tabloid fodder.

what did sprano accomplish after he left dallas?

he had games he botched game management. no one has argued that.

give me one coach. any coach who has never done that?

Sparano never had a QB but he still did some things like run the wildcat that other teams were trying to copy.

You give a guy like that some horses and he'll produce as a O Coordinator.

When you're stuck in Oakland and Miami with no QB then you're just screwed.

That's the thing. We have one of the best QB's in football and we could only squeeze 1 playoff win out of him before last year.

I don't care how bad you think the rest of your team is.. QB's like Romo can have playoff success on very average teams.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
just like every other HC in the league. couldn't concur more. most coaches have to stay out of the way of their coordinators for things to work.

You nailed it. Garrett stay out of the way. Because when you were running it yourself, we stunk. GET OUT OF THE WAY GARRETT.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
wow. not sure what to say to this drivel.

how was the defense? how was the 3rd down defense? how many times were we behind in the 4th quarter by double digits? could we run the ball? vs. wanting to run the ball? not the same personnel. same scheme.

How is that changing the subject thing working for you?

Ok.........Ill bite. So I guess you are saying that the defensive improvement was a big part of the turnaround correct?

Ok..............And Garrett did what exactly on the defensive side of the ball? ummmm............he totototototold Marinelli to straighten out the defense................?

But wait..........Tom Brady won without a great defense. ummmmm............

rcaldw · Jul 24, 2015

CATCH17 said:
Garrett..

Top 10 Monday - Saturday coach

Bottom 3-5 game-day coach.

You can keep saying it.... just keeps looking more and more stupid over time. So just go right on.

rcaldw · Jul 24, 2015

CowboyRoy said:
You nailed it. Garrett stay out of the way. Because when you were running it yourself, we stunk. GET OUT OF THE WAY GARRETT.

lol. That's all. lol.

Idgit · Jul 24, 2015

I realize this topic has devolved into a slap fight, but just wanted to say that I can't remember a thread with as many posts that demonstrate people are willing to interpret events with absolutely zero tether to reality or available evidence. It shouldn't surprise me, but somehow still does.

In any event, Sturm's basic point was worth noting. This team's on the right track after some long up and down years. Anybody who thinks that's happening without the significant input of the head coach is entitled to that unsupportable opinion. I just have a hard time understanding why they'd want to say so publicly.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CATCH17 said:
That's why you can't look at stats and have to watch the damn game.

If those stats contained any substance at all he would still be the playcaller.

Throwing the ball 40 times a game, relying on Romo to make plays outside of the original playcall, and petering out against defenses that stack the box and press our WR's is not effective and only gets you so far.

Yep, and passing the ball 50 times a game gets Romo killed and we turn the ball over more. More risky.

sbark · Jul 24, 2015

I'm not sure Sturm was wrong at the time. Garret has shown the ability to adapt and change, morph on his weakness's, bring in outside coordinators that build on his structure. Many coaches stick to their process until it dethrones them, Garrett did not, which now makes Sturm wrong at the present time in hindsight.

Dodger12 · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
we probably aren't on the same page. that's obvious. you realize we have played Detroit over the past few years. so just saying the game against Detroit doesn't reference the specific game. and yes, that was a bad game. tell me about a coach who hasn't had a bad game? is that the only game you can reference? that's it. one game and your decision is based on that one game over a 8 year span?

and I am sure garrett has designed plays for romo to throw interceptions. all coaches design plays for their QB to throw interceptions.

We can go and discuss a couple of games a year that were the difference between making or missing the playoffs. Again, all we'll do is go around in circles. And while a coach can have a bad day, Garrett has had historically bad days/games. Under Garrett's tenure, the Cowboys blew a 14 point fourth-quarter lead for the first time in franchise history and had the largest lead blown in a loss in franchise history, all in one season (2011).

You can blame Romo if you like but the coach has to reign in his QB when ahead by 24 points in the second half. The HC can't call a pass play on 1st and 10 when your goal should be to eat some clock. We've seen this pass happy scenario way too many times from Garrett. He's just not a good play caller.

CowboyRoy · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
so because he doesn't call enough play actions to your liking. he sucks!? is that it?

One of the reasons absolutely. In my opinion, play action is best big play call in the book. You see it all day long on Sundays around the league. And Garrett barely used it why? Hey, Tom Brady uses it you know?

Dodger12 · Jul 24, 2015

CowboysFaninDC said:
well then...there you go...you have dug in.

glad you ain't running the team....

I bet billicheck, fox, couglin, Johnson, landry, on and on and on and on and on and on and on ...... have never lost a game they didn't have a business losing. yep. I bet they didn't

Dug in? Way to avoid what I wrote. Your reponse had nothing to do what I posted.

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