Tony Romo best Cowboy QB of all time

tyke1doe said:

I'm sorry, but as great as Romo is, his mobility and improvisational skills are not better than Staubach's.

Romo has a killer spin move, one of the best by a quarterback. But Staubach personified quarterback mobility and improvisational.

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percyhoward said:

It's his team stats that are the problem.

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MichaelValentino said:

This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:

Category

Staubach

Aikman

Romo

Size/strength

2

1

3

Arm strength/velocity

2

1

3

Accuracy (all throws)

3

1

2

Release/mechanics

2

1

3

Best deep ball

2

1

3

Ball handling/play action/screens

1

3

2

Improvisational skill

2

3

1

Mobility/escapability in pocket

2

3

1

Scrambling/running

1

3

2

Field leadership

1

2

3

Grace under pressure

1

2

3

Big game performance

1-T

1-T

3

Mental toughness

1

2

3

Physical toughness

1-T

1-T

1-T





Totals

S = 22

A = 25

R = 33

Average Category Rank

S = 1.57

A = 1.79

R = 2.36

Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.

This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.

In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.

(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)

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MichaelValentino said:

This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:

Category

Staubach

Aikman

Romo

Size/strength

2

1

3

Arm strength/velocity

2

1

3

Accuracy (all throws)

3

1

2

Release/mechanics

2

1

3

Best deep ball

2

1

3

Ball handling/play action/screens

1

3

2

Improvisational skill

2

3

1

Mobility/escapability in pocket

2

3

1

Scrambling/running

1

3

2

Field leadership

1

2

3

Grace under pressure

1

2

3

Big game performance

1-T

1-T

3

Mental toughness

1

2

3

Physical toughness

1-T

1-T

1-T





Totals

S = 22

A = 25

R = 33

Average Category Rank

S = 1.57

A = 1.79

R = 2.36

Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.

This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.

In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.

(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)

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MichaelValentino said:

Thanks tyke. It would not take much for me to agree with you. Their ranks can easily be interchanged. If you do, it would only further support my argument that places Staubach as no. 1 and Romo as no. 3.

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TheXFactor said:

I've never seen Aikman or Staubach play. I have a hard time believing that they could be better than Romo, but I can't formulate an informed opinion without having seen them all play. Born just too late for the glory days .

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TheXFactor said:

I've never seen Aikman or Staubach play. I have a hard time believing that they could be better than Romo, but I can't formulate an informed opinion without having seen them all play. Born just too late for the glory days .

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Dave_in-NC said:

And imagine waking up every game day knowing you have an 80% chance of beating who ever.

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Alexander said:

They are all different.

I don't know, it just bothers me at times when I see that fans really don't get what a championship QB looks like.

I don't think Romo is a championship QB.

Before people freak out, just understand his history and where he came from.

And especially how he feels. He has always had to be "the man". And he never got it.

That is why I think this is a good thing for him. Maybe he eats this up.

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TheXFactor said:

Well wouldn't you say he's "the man" now more than ever? They just went 0-7 without him, and are 3-0 with him. I think that qualifies as him being "the man". Not that I think they'll win it all this year or anything, just saying his status as "the man" as you put it hasn't really changed

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percyhoward said:

I love debates like this. They're the essence of what forums like this one were intended for -- not forum politics/melodrama.

That said, some people have yet to realize that Romo and Aikman were Top 5 QB of their eras, but Staubach is Top 5 all time.

If you haven't seen this website, check it out. Everybody has their own opinion about who the greatest QB were, but almost everyone spends more time and effort defending their opinion than educating it. This link takes you to the most intelligent attempt at quantifying the issue that I know of.

http://quarterbackscore.webs.com/

The more seasons a QB played when he wasn't a top 10 passer that season, the more it will bring down his average season. That's why I like to look at "5 best" and "10 best seasons," that leave out the years that the player isn't best known for. There's no line that can really be drawn that determines how many seasons are enough in order for a player to make his mark. A player who ranks highly on a list that includes every season obviously had a distinguished career, but there are a few players whose careers don't fit that pattern of consistency over a long period who were legends nevertheless. The list below looks at the player's 5 best seasons.

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MichaelValentino said:

This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:

Category

Staubach

Aikman

Romo

Size/strength

2

1

3

Arm strength/velocity

2

1

3

Accuracy (all throws)

3

1

2

Release/mechanics

2

1

3

Best deep ball

2

1

3

Ball handling/play action/screens

1

3

2

Improvisational skill

2

3

1

Mobility/escapability in pocket

2

3

1

Scrambling/running

1

3

2

Field leadership

1

2

3

Grace under pressure

1

2

3

Big game performance

1-T

1-T

3

Mental toughness

1

2

3

Physical toughness

1-T

1-T

1-T





Totals

S = 22

A = 25

R = 33

Average Category Rank

S = 1.57

A = 1.79

R = 2.36

Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.

This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.

In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.

(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)

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TheXFactor said:

That's the exact feeling I get with Romo under center. And putting trophies in the case is more of a team accomplishment, IMO. I don't think you can discount the fact that Aikman and Staubach both had excellent defenses on their SB teams. I don't think Romo has ever had an excellent defense. Also, Aikman arguably the greatest OL of all time for his SBs. Romo has only really had a good OL this year and last, and maybe 2007. Almost all other years it was dreadful. Again, not saying Romo is the best because I have no frame of reference against the other guys, just saying that when comparing SBs, those are factors to take into account.

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Alexander said:

I think this is a good situation for him. Might make him think of college when he was "the man".

I don't think it is too big for him like it used to be.

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percyhoward said:

I love debates like this. They're the essence of what forums like this one were intended for -- not forum politics/melodrama.

That said, some people have yet to realize that Romo and Aikman were Top 5 QB of their eras, but Staubach is Top 5 all time.

If you haven't seen this website, check it out. Everybody has their own opinion about who the greatest QB were, but almost everyone spends more time and effort defending their opinion than educating it. This link takes you to the most intelligent attempt at quantifying the issue that I know of.

http://quarterbackscore.webs.com/

The more seasons a QB played when he wasn't a top 10 passer that season, the more it will bring down his average season. That's why I like to look at "5 best" and "10 best seasons," that leave out the years that the player isn't best known for. There's no line that can really be drawn that determines how many seasons are enough in order for a player to make his mark. A player who ranks highly on a list that includes every season obviously had a distinguished career, but there are a few players whose careers don't fit that pattern of consistency over a long period who were legends nevertheless. The list below looks at the player's 5 best seasons.

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Alexander said:

I guess you can tell the relative age of each poster in this thread and exactly how much football they have watched of all of our top QBs beyond NFL Films slow motion.

It kind of bothers me that there are now fans who never got to see Aikman play live.

Or White. Or Staubach for that matter.

You missed good things. And it puts it all into perspective.

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