Lynch vs Prescott

jujoboys said:

I did not mean to imply that Dak is better than Lynch. I just think we dodged a bullet by not giving up what would have been required to get someone that is just as big of a project as the guy we did get. Both these guys have a ton to learn and the potential for being a bust on big on both of them. However, I can stomach a 4th round comp pick being a bust more than a guy that cost us our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Btw, the so-called experts are wrong all the time and what does the Dallas brass know about drafting QBs? If Jerry and company knew anything about drafting and developing QBs then we would not be in the situation we were in last year. Our Dallas brass actually thought Brandon Weedon was a viable backup so I place little faith in their ability to recognize talent at the QB position. When Romo's gone we will probably have another 10 year search trying to find and develop his replacement.

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I get the willies every time Jerry uses a middle round pick on a QB. 4th round is a little lower than Quincy was, but I dont want Jerry thinking this kid is the future if he isnt and handing him the keys. Too many flashbacks.

CowboyRoy said:

I get the willies every time Jerry uses a middle round pick on a QB. 4th round is a little lower than Quincy was, but I dont want Jerry thinking this kid is the future if he isnt and handing him the keys. Too many flashbacks.

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Honestly though, a middle round pick on a QB is a good thing. Would have been a good thing to go after AJ McCarron last year - he looked good in relief. Thing is that you might end up with someone that can fill the void for many years or if not, so be it. You might end up with a good quality backup that fills the void for 1-2 years while you get that #1 guy.

Double Trouble said:

Since when is game-changer from day one the barometer for anything? Tony Romo wasn't a game-changer from day one. If you knew that Lynch would play at the same level as Romo has for most of his career, wouldn't you have gladly made that trade?

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Because we need BPA/game-changing players more often than not, that's why.

Risen Star said:

If the Cowboys end up QB-less, yes. It's not hard to figure out. You were at 4. 1 and 2 wanted to move out. You didn't do it. If that cost you your franchise QB you made a major mistake.

Where am I losing you? Franchise QBs don't grow on trees.

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So if your scouts are telling you Goff is a franchise guy, you outbid the Rams?

School said:

So if your scouts are telling you Goff is a franchise guy, you outbid the Rams?

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I would have.

waldoputty said:

I would have.

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Fair enough. Several NFL teams turned down the opportunity to do so. It's a tough call to make and a lot to give up to find out if he can be the guy or not.

School said:

Fair enough. Several NFL teams turned down the opportunity to do so. It's a tough call to make and a lot to give up to find out if he can be the guy or not.

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Right, I would have done it for Goff, but not Wentz.
Wentz is too high a risk to me.
Same thing with Lynch.

Risen Star said:

I didn't assume anything and your evaluation is irrelevant. Mine is irrelevant. I said if any of the three become elite and the Cowboys do end up in the post-Aikman era, this draft was a huge mistake.

I don't see how any rational fan can disagree.

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well, what if Elliott and Smith become hall of famers for Dallas? we just don't know after a draft...I just think Elliott and Smith look better to me than the QB's (although I was for taking Ramsey)

Fredd said:

well, what if Elliott and Smith become hall of famers for Dallas? we just don't know after a draft...I just think Elliott and Smith look better to me than the QB's (although I was for taking Ramsey)

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You can't win without the QB. I'll trade those two hall of famers for that player.

aikemirv said:

Honestly though, a middle round pick on a QB is a good thing. Would have been a good thing to go after AJ McCarron last year - he looked good in relief. Thing is that you might end up with someone that can fill the void for many years or if not, so be it. You might end up with a good quality backup that fills the void for 1-2 years while you get that #1 guy.

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Agreed. I just dont want Jerry to settle when the time comes.

Lynch is much better than Prescott right now and is a better prospect. But Prescott will probably have the luxury of learning and sitting behind Romo for a few years. Lynch is totally screwed in Denver. He'll be thrown into the fire after Sanchez has a few bad games and the weight of the city will be on his shoulders. Poor guy I feel bad for him.

aikemirv said:

I have no expectations for Prescott. If we would have drafted Lynch I would have been irritated because he is as dumb as dirt. There must be something to him for all the teams to rank him so high but me thinks he is ranked higher because of physical attributes like height and mobility rather than his college performance throwing the ball or reading defenses.

IMO, I would rather take a shot at Prescott in the fourth than trade up in the first like we would have had to do.

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This is a real concern with Lynch. He recorded a frighteningly low wonderlic score, 18. No current starting qb scored 18 or lower on the wonderlic.

Dak's score of 25 is not very good either and would be in the lower tier of starting qbs, but at least it's the same score as Ben Roethlisberger's and higher than Cam Newton's (21) and Derek Carr's (20).

DallasDomination said:

Lynch is much better than Prescott right now and is a better prospect. But Prescott will probably have the luxury of learning and sitting behind Romo for a few years. Lynch is totally screwed in Denver. He'll be thrown into the fire after Sanchez has a few bad games and the weight of the city will be on his shoulders. Poor guy I feel bad for him.

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Except for the fact that in Denver 3 and out is a minor success for their offense. Lynch couldn't possibly be in a better scenario.

TheHerd said:

Except for the fact that in Denver 3 and out is a minor success for their offense. Lynch couldn't possibly be in a better scenario.

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Elway said he thinks Lynch is more ready to play than people expect. Local radio heads are already claiming he's the next big thing. He has a suspect as all hell offensive line, suspect running game and his best receiver is Sanders because DT folded like a lawn chair last season. Expectations are superbowl and for a rookie that's a lot to ask for. It would be much easier to sit a few years and learn. Lynch is not ready at all to play this season...but since Elway says he's ready he'll play.

I think Prescott has that it factor you can't teach. A certain confidence about him, much like Romo, almost arrogance LOL! I truly believe he'll benefit tremendously sitting behind Romo for a 2 or 3 years.

Passing on Lynch was a major mistake. You can tell yourself different, but a second and third round pick is cheap for the future QB of this team.

Risen Star said:

Jerry stank is what happens to a player when Jerry reaches for him. It's certain death to a player. Unless you're Travis Frederick, who is the Magic Johnson of the disease.

Lynch has the reverse here. When Jerry decided not to trade for him, Paxton Lynch became destined for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Congratulations, kid. Shave your damn chin.

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Worked so well for Johnny Football

speedkilz88 said:

Worked so well for Johnny Football

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You can't say for sure that he would have failed in Dallas. Nobody can know that.

Disclaimer: I only read the first two pages.

I don't know anything about brain types, which is usually obvious, but I think saying a player is doomed as a quality NFL QB because he wasn't drafted in round one, didn't play in a pro offense, has bad footwork or whatever, is kind of premature at this point. Dak hasn't even seen his first big boy practice. But he has good size and athleticism, is smart and hardworking by all accounts, has passion for playing football and produced for four years against the best college defenses in the country. So he sounds like a worthwhile project to me.

I don't expect Prescott to be Troy Aikman, tomorrow or ever, but he doesn't have to be. A lot of the stuff he "can't do" or didn't do in college--take snaps from under center, read defenses, etc--he wasn't asked to do. That may very well be because he wasn't able to. But it's also possible he never had to learn those things because of the scheme he played in and that he will pick them up over the next 2-3 years and emerge as a quality starting NFL quarterback. I know I'm looking forward to watching the process and finding out. Prescott just seems different than Stephen McGee to me.

I was never crazy about Lynch because of his long-armed release and am glad to have Smith and Collins on the team.

There isn't any way to learn your way into being better than your talent. He'll be looking like the starter by the end of the year, or he will never be worth it.