News: DC: Jerry Jones Officially Announces His Presenter For Hall of Fame Induction

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Chris in Arizona said:
Should have picked Jimmy.. that's who got him there.
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God, this is so wrongheaded. I expect this sort of nonsense from rival fans but I expect better from Cowboy fans.

Bluntly and succinctly. If Jerry Jones had nary a playoff win in his 30 year ownership of the Dallas Cowboys he would STILL be in the Hall of Fame. No owner, in any professional sport, has impacted their industry more than Jerry Jones has.

Jones changed the game. When he purchased the Dallas Cowboys the NFL was arguably our #3 sport behind "our national pastime" and the Jordan era NBA. Jones, above all other owners, saw what the NFL could become via marketing and branding and bullied, prodded, and maneuvered his fellow owners into changing how they did business. The "old guard" didn't even like Jerry. Art Rooney HATED him. He was on an island when he first became an owner. He was too brash, too arrogant too revolutionary. But over time those owners came to see the wisdom of Jones actions. The same Art Rooney that once hated Jones became one of his closest friends among ownership and a strong backer of Jones' vision.

Today the NFL stands as the preeminent sports league in this country and that fact is largely due to Jones. Oh, he's also put billions into every other owners pocket.

As an example, do you know that in the late 80s NFL owners saw the boxing model of PPV as the wave of the future? They wanted to take games off the air and sell them directly.

Jones said absolutely not. He boldly proclaimed that Boxing was a dying industry because their model shrunk the fan base (he was 100% right). Jones forecefully argued that the NFL would be best served by making more games available and opening up bidding to all networks. Jones was placed on the TV committee and shortly thereafter he pushed through the NFL's then landmark deal with FOX.

I could go on and on with how Jones has dragged his fellow owners into new territory w/r/t stadia, infrastructure, and revenue.

Hate Jones all you want for Dallas not winning a playoff game in 20 years but the man deserves his credit. He was a visionary who brought a new view to an old model.

Or to put this argument another way. What's the argument for Bob Kraft being in the NFL HOF?

NE's got 5 Super Bowls under Kraft but those are byproducts of Belichick & Brady. How has Kraft changed the game?
 
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calvin said:
God, this is so wrongheaded. I expect this sort of nonsense from rival fans but I expect better from Cowboy fans.

Bluntly and succinctly. If Jerry Jones had nary a playoff win in his 30 year ownership of the Dallas Cowboys he would STILL be in the Hall of Fame. No owner, in any professional sport, has impacted their industry more than Jerry Jones has.

Jones changed the game. When he purchased the Dallas Cowboys the NFL was arguably our #3 sport behind "our national pastime" and the Jordan era NBA. Jones, above all other owners, saw what the NFL could become via marketing and branding and bullied, prodded, and maneuvered his fellow owners into changing how they did business. The "old guard" didn't even like Jerry. Art Rooney HATED him. He was on an island when he first became an owner. He was too brash, too arrogant too revolutionary. But over time those owners came to see the wisdom of Jones actions. The same Art Rooney that once hated Jones became one of his closest friends among ownership and a strong backer of Jones' vision.

Today the NFL stands as the preeminent sports league in this country and that fact is largely due to Jones. Oh, he's also put billions into every other owners pocket.

As an example, do you know that in the late 80s NFL owners saw the boxing model of PPV as the wave of the future? They wanted to take games off the air and sell them directly.

Jones said absolutely not. He boldly proclaimed that Boxing was a dying industry because their model shrunk the fan base (he was 100% right). Jones forecefully argued that the NFL would be best served by making more games available and opening up bidding to all networks. Jones was placed on the TV committee and shortly thereafter he pushed through the NFL's then landmark deal with FOX.

I could go on and on with how Jones has dragged his fellow owners into new territory w/r/t stadia, infrastructure, and revenue.

Hate Jones all you want for Dallas not winning a playoff game in 20 years but the man deserves his credit. He was a visionary who brought a new view to an old model.

Or to put this argument another way. What's the argument for Bob Kraft being in the NFL HOF?

NE's got 5 Super Bowls under Kraft but those are byproducts of Belichick & Brady. How has Kraft changed the game?
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Horrible GM. Jimmy is why he's going to the Hall. Unless you're rooting for marketing?

Yay marketing! ...
 
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I like this pic. Before all the fame and money...and built an empire together
 
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Trouty said:
Horrible GM. Jimmy is why he's going to the Hall. Unless you're rooting for marketing?

Yay marketing! ...
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I have to completely agree with Calvin...as he was spot on, but differed from the old school ownership. He was for the benefits of the entire NFL...not just accumulating his own fortunes. He always invested in his team and empowered them. Jimmy couldn't touch his ankles giving to their own players. How long do you really think a 'head' of organization could have got away with making sounding boards out of players so that he could get his desired levels of 'effect.' He was a Benedict Arnold waiting to happen and went out of his own way to prove that very fact.

I won't support the stereotype that Jimmy alone was responsible for team success. Yea, he initially helped to build the foundation...HELPED. But the fact was, he couldn't survive his own degree of ambitions in a sustainable team environment. If not for a very player friendly pair of Coordinators, Jimmy would never have been able to bully his players for the time that he steered directions. It was a matter of time and a course of directions for him then. If not for Norv Turner, Troy Aikman would NEVER have made it as a quality quarterback from the start...

Marketing...don't be naive. Coming back from Viet Nam, he had to completely rebuild the NCO Corp. Don't kid oneself with Ra, Ra stereotypes. People coming out of the bush that just wanted to go back and kill, DON'T build an Army....Period. Went through enough confrontations with bad NCO's and race problems of their makings, to not see this aspect. Sorry.
 
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Is he going to ask for forgiveness from his wife during his speech, ala Michael Irvin for all the crazy things he's done over the years?
 
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calvin said:
Jones changed the game. When he purchased the Dallas Cowboys the NFL was arguably our #3 sport behind "our national pastime" and the Jordan era NBA. Jones, above all other owners, saw what the NFL could become via marketing and branding and bullied, prodded, and maneuvered his fellow owners into changing how they did business. The "old guard" didn't even like Jerry. Art Rooney HATED him. He was on an island when he first became an owner. He was too brash, too arrogant too revolutionary. But over time those owners came to see the wisdom of Jones actions. The same Art Rooney that once hated Jones became one of his closest friends among ownership and a strong backer of Jones' vision.
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In 1989, the NFL was by far the most popular sport in America. No other sport approached the NFL for TV ratings at that time, and they still don't. In fact, it was as far back as 1970 when the NFL overtook MLB as the most popular sport in America according to Pew Research.

You can give Jones credit for how he sells his team, but you can't rewrite history because it sounds good.
 
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I have to completely agree with Calvin...as he was spot on, but differed from the old school ownership. He was for the benefits of the entire NFL...not just accumulating his own fortunes. He always invested in his team and empowered them. Jimmy couldn't touch his ankles giving to their own players. How long do you really think a 'head' of organization could have got away with making sounding boards out of players so that he could get his desired levels of 'effect.' He was a Benedict Arnold waiting to happen and went out of his own way to prove that very fact.

I won't support the stereotype that Jimmy alone was responsible for team success. Yea, he initially helped to build the foundation...HELPED. But the fact was, he couldn't survive his own degree of ambitions in a sustainable team environment. If not for a very player friendly pair of Coordinators, Jimmy would never have been able to bully his players for the time that he steered directions. It was a matter of time and a course of directions for him then. If not for Norv Turner, Troy Aikman would NEVER have made it as a quality quarterback from the start...

Marketing...don't be naive. Coming back from Viet Nam, he had to completely rebuild the NCO Corp. Don't kid oneself with Ra, Ra stereotypes. People coming out of the bush that just wanted to go back and kill, DON'T build an Army....Period. Went through enough confrontations with bad NCO's and race problems of their makings, to not see this aspect. Sorry.
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Jerry was a horrible GM. Evidence: the last 20+ years, CC.

No need to get bent out of shape about it, either. It is what it is. We all suffered through his horrid decisions together.

A Robert Kraft he is not. Not even in the same stratosphere.

You know the saying "cut sling load?" That's what Jerry the Owner should've done to Jerry the GM a long, long time ago.

As an owner of a three-time Super Bowl team, as well as the deals with the league he has brokered, I suppose he deserves it. But no way in hell does he deserve the gold jacket for his football acumen or GM'ing. You know, the things that really matter.

Ick.
 
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