That Field Stretcher

PJTHEDOORS · Sep 21, 2017

https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/04/dak-prescott-accurate-deep-passers/

Dak Prescott: One of the NFL’s Most Accurate Deep Passers

“Dak Prescott was one of the best deep ball passers in tight windows. A whopping 39.5 percent of Dak Prescott’s passes that traveled further than 20 yards in the air went into tight coverage. The rookie’s 29.4 percent completion rate was the ninth-best mark on such throws and he never recorded an interception.” – Matt Harmon, NFL.com

PJTHEDOORS · Sep 21, 2017

TwentyOne said:
He isnt very good at it. And his accuracy is not very good. Those were some point of criticism when he was coming out of college also.

Its one thing to throw the ball deep downfield its a whole different story to place it in the right spot. Thats where he is not good at.

For example the backshoulder fade. Romo threw it well. Dak isnt able to do it right now. He looks better then last year but he has still ways to go. And this has nothing to do with being out of sync with WRs. He just isnt able to throw the ball precisley where it has to be.

Wrong and wrong. If 67.8% competion last year wasn't very good accuracy, explain what is?

Bleu Star · Sep 21, 2017

PJTHEDOORS said:
https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/04/dak-prescott-accurate-deep-passers/

Dak Prescott: One of the NFL’s Most Accurate Deep Passers

“Dak Prescott was one of the best deep ball passers in tight windows. A whopping 39.5 percent of Dak Prescott’s passes that traveled further than 20 yards in the air went into tight coverage. The rookie’s 29.4 percent completion rate was the ninth-best mark on such throws and he never recorded an interception.” – Matt Harmon, NFL.com

Yup

Macnalty · Sep 22, 2017

My eyes certainly would not agree with the stats. Do we know what kind of receiver works best with Dak other than a open one?

Melonfeud · Sep 22, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
No, it was not. He barely throws them and when he does throw 30+ yard deep balls he is bad.

He was awesome at intermediate throws last year but this year he has sucked.

If you want to pretend he has been accurate and playing well then you go right ahead.

His ratio(attempts per completions ,,er,,#5 in the league I believe) proves fuzzys casing-liner salvo

That completion % is on record :starspin:

Melonfeud · Sep 22, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Sorry but Dak has been trying to force Dez the ball. Dez has by far the most targets of any player in the NFL through two weeks. Witten, TWill, Bease, and Zeke have been getting open. Dak just isn't getting them the ball.

It took Dak a few weeks to pull his head out of his *** last season so I am not panicking but he has not been playing well in terms of distribution or accuracy.

True! Our #88 has been targeted 7 times in the end zone in the first two games!,,,, the nearest league casing-liner in that contention is 3 targets

Melonfeud · Sep 22, 2017

cowboyblue22 said:
butler is the deep threat but he drops more than he catches so there is that

I like #19!!!
At least I'm not afraid to say which side of the wash cloth I scrub my face with

stilltheguru88 · Sep 22, 2017

Bleu Star said:
The guy that, when he lines up, the secondary is already cheating backwards. The guy that truly strikes fear in opposing corners... Where is he? Every championship level team has one.

It's not Dez. He no longer separates and runs lazy routes. He appears to be content with being a 1a.

Its not Brice. He disappears for weeks at a time and can be very inconsistent. Very....

It's not Twill. He's a great body catcher and can contribute a little yac across the middle but you're not going to see him catching anything over his shoulder downfield.

So who is it?

I'll give you an example of a textbook field stretcher... Julio Jones

Packers, patriots didn't have one last year

4lifecowboy · Sep 22, 2017

Bleu Star said:
Correct me if I'm wrong Fuzzy but a prerequisite to getting a ball thrown downfield is appearing open. Correct?

No.

Denim Chicken · Sep 22, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
No, it was not. He barely throws them and when he does throw 30+ yard deep balls he is bad.

Top ten.

39.5 percent of Dak Prescott’s passes that traveled further than 20 yards in the air with a 29.4 percent completion rate on those passes--was the ninth best (+no picks).

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 22, 2017

Denim Chicken said:
Top ten.

39.5 percent of Dak Prescott’s passes that traveled further than 20 yards in the air with a 29.4 percent completion rate on those passes--was the ninth best (+no picks).

Only 43 passes went farther than 20 yards in 2016. Your stats here are wrong.

And I said 30 yards. We run outs at 20 yards as it is. That is not exactly a deep throw.

Denim Chicken · Sep 22, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Only 43 passes went farther than 20 yards in 2016. Your stats here are wrong.

And I said 30 yards. We run outs at 20 yards as it is. That is not exactly a deep throw.

Fuzzy, you are correct. That percentage was wrong (probably from some point mid-season), but deep passes are generally considered 20 yard or more in the air.

If their point was that Prescott wasn’t asked to throw deep very often, they’re mostly right. His 43 deep passes (balls traveling 20 or more yards through the air) ranked only 27th-most last season. His average depth of target (8.6) ranked 20th-highest of 36 qualifying passers. If their argument was that Prescott can’t or wasn’t very good at throwing deep, they are wrong.

Counting the playoffs, Prescott got to 50 deep pass attempts. Among all 206 instances this past decade of a quarterback throwing at least 50 deep pass attempts in a single season (playoffs included), Prescott’s passer rating on deep balls ranked 14th-best, and best by a rookie quarterback. Here’s the full top-20 list:

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 22, 2017

Denim Chicken said:
Fuzzy, you are correct. That percentage was wrong (probably from some point mid-season), but deep passes are generally considered 20 yard or more in the air.

If their point was that Prescott wasn’t asked to throw deep very often, they’re mostly right. His 43 deep passes (balls traveling 20 or more yards through the air) ranked only 27th-most last season. His average depth of target (8.6) ranked 20th-highest of 36 qualifying passers. If their argument was that Prescott can’t or wasn’t very good at throwing deep, they are wrong.

Counting the playoffs, Prescott got to 50 deep pass attempts. Among all 206 instances this past decade of a quarterback throwing at least 50 deep pass attempts in a single season (playoffs included), Prescott’s passer rating on deep balls ranked 14th-best, and best by a rookie quarterback. Here’s the full top-20 list:

Generally? According to who? Most of the splits I see break it down in 10 yard increments up to 30 yards.

And as I pointed out we adjust the ins and outs that are a staple of the offense to 20 yards regularly. 20 yard particularly to the middle of the field is not deep. NFL quarterbacks throw those and routes further on ropes regularly. Those are not executed like deep passes.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 22, 2017

Dez is an awesome WR who has his own skills and weaknesses like any athlete. Now because of Dak's weakness (he has pros to his game as well) we blame everything on Dez.

Dez doesn't get open or create separation they say; meanwhile Dak misses Dez who is WIDE OPEN on a 5 yard slant for a TD. I dunno that appears to me like Dez created perfect separation there.

Remember last year when Dez executed a perfect double move on Josh Norman and was WIDE OPEN for a 60 yard TD and Dak never saw him? Remember last year when we had multiple gifs posted of Dez creating separation and being open and Dak never seeing him?

Look i'm not saying Dak is trash. I'm saying he's a young QB and we need him to mature and grow more than we need to worry about Dez or other WR shortcomings on this team. It was shown with the All 22 after week 1 that Dez drew extra attention on virtually every snap? Dez's mere presence despite his flaws is the biggest thing helping Dak.

Now Dez who has great hands needs to not drop balls. That drop into an INT was bad.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 22, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Sorry but Dak has been trying to force Dez the ball. Dez has by far the most targets of any player in the NFL through two weeks. Witten, TWill, Bease, and Zeke have been getting open. Dak just isn't getting them the ball.

It took Dak a few weeks to pull his head out of his *** last season so I am not panicking but he has not been playing well in terms of distribution or accuracy.

Witten has gotten a steady diet of targets.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 22, 2017

erod said:
Rico has never caught a pass in a college or pro game in his life.

He's just a basketball player until her proves otherwise. He hasn't proven otherwise.

That's not true.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 22, 2017

Chris in Arizona said:
He didn't really have one but won a Super Bowl anyway.

Then his GM went out and got him a deep threat.

Wish we had one.

One being a deep threat or a GM.

I'd take Will and the work he's done over Bill as a GM.

Bill and Brady as a combination have overcome the shortcoming of Bill as the GM. Not won because of it.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 22, 2017

xwalker said:
Ankle Breaker instead of Field Stretcher. Get Switzer out there with Beasley. Let TWill run the deep routes and let Dez ride the bench.

Xwalker's solution everyone. Sub Switzer for Dez.

I really used to respect your football takes. But you've thrown away your credibility over Dez. Who exactly is going to draw double coverage that Dez does when you sub in Switzer for him?

Sydla · Sep 22, 2017

LOL at benching Dez.

I mean holy freaking hell.

While we are at it, we should bench Lee too. He sucked Sunday.

mardwin · Sep 22, 2017

Dak keeps waiting for the receivers to get opened and not anticipating them getting opened, that's a no-no for any QB at the NFL level.

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