2017-18 NBA Season

mrtxstar said:

I've been hearing that same line of BS for over a decade but the Spurs are contenders every year. They have the best coach and player in the league today. Never count them out.

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No one ever said they werent contenders. They are probably the second best team in the NBA

darthseinfeld said:

No one ever said they werent contenders. They are probably the second best team in the NBA

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Damn right... at least!

darthseinfeld said:

No one ever said they werent contenders. They are probably the second best team in the NBA

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I would put Boston, Cleve, OKC, Houston, Minny, New Orleans over them (behind GS). Spurs haven't added anyone of note.

PJTHEDOORS said:

I would put Boston, Cleve, OKC, Houston, Minny, New Orleans over them (behind GS). Spurs haven't added anyone of note.

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imho it only matters how they rank in the West because they'll never see any East opponent in the playoffs.
They are clearly behind GSW and now likely behind HOU/OKC.
Minny is really improved and could soar but we've hard that before too.
New Orleans has to prove it as well.

So today I'd say 4th in the West for SAS.
Which seems not bad given the super team mentality existing on the 3 clubs ahead of them... unless of course you are a spurs fan with little man syndrome.

So be honest, what chance do my Knicks have at getting a lottery pick?

C: Enes Kanter, Willy Hernangomez
PF: Kristaps Porzingis, Mindaugas Kuzminskas
SF: Michael Beasley, Doug McDermott
SG: Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee
PG: Raymond Sessions, Frank Ntilikina

I like our chances. Beasley and Hardaway should be a pretty bad pairing, the only real downside is, we're stuck with Hardaway for 4 years. But with the exception of Porzingis, you have a bunch of no defense playing chuckers, with no real facilitator. Ntilikina *could* surprise us, but while I think he'll be a good player, I don't think he has the quickness needed to be a top PG from day 1.

Chicago, Atlanta and of course Brooklyn (Cleveland) worry me, but I'd be pretty estatic if we could land Bagley, Porter or Doncic.

Manwiththeplan said:

So be honest, what chance do my Knicks have at getting a lottery pick?

C: Enes Kanter, Willy Hernangomez
PF: Kristaps Porzingis, Mindaugas Kuzminskas
SF: Michael Beasley, Doug McDermott
SG: Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee
PG: Raymond Sessions, Frank Ntilikina

I like our chances. Beasley and Hardaway should be a pretty bad pairing, the only real downside is, we're stuck with Hardaway for 4 years. But with the exception of Porzingis, you have a bunch of no defense playing chuckers, with no real facilitator. Ntilikina *could* surprise us, but while I think he'll be a good player, I don't think he has the quickness needed to be a top PG from day 1.

Chicago, Atlanta and of course Brooklyn (Cleveland) worry me, but I'd be pretty estatic if we could land Bagley, Porter or Doncic.

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I think you guys need one more pillar to go with Porzingis, and a top 3 or even 4 pick gets you that this year. I like Ntilikina alot. Even if he never develops into a top PG, he could develop into a very good 3&D who can guard the 1, 2, and 3 very effectively.

Out of Bagley, Porter or Doncic, who do you feel os the best partner for Porzingis?

darthseinfeld said:

I think you guys need one more pillar to go with Porzingis, and a top 3 or even 4 pick gets you that this year. I like Ntilikina alot. Even if he never develops into a top PG, he could develop into a very good 3&D who can guard the 1, 2, and 3 very effectively.

Out of Bagley, Porter or Doncic, who do you feel os the best partner for Porzingis?

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The best? Right now, I'd take Porter. I like Porzingis more at the 5, due to his shot blocking and I think Porter can be a dominant stretch 4. Next I would say Bagley, yes it likely means playing Porzingis at the 4, but I think once he develops, it would open up a things for Porzingis a ton on offense. Last I would say Doncic, I think he helps out Ntlikina more than Porzingis, in that neither have to constantly handle the rock, but I think any additional ball handlers/slashers, helps Porzingis.

Manwiththeplan said:

The best? Right now, I'd take Porter. I like Porzingis more at the 5, due to his shot blocking and I think Porter can be a dominant stretch 4. Next I would say Bagley, yes it likely means playing Porzingis at the 4, but I think once he develops, it would open up a things for Porzingis a ton on offense. Last I would say Doncic, I think he helps out Ntlikina more than Porzingis, in that neither have to constantly handle the rock, but I think any additional ball handlers/slashers, helps Porzingis.

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Its hard not to love Porters offensive potential. I think Bagley may have more 2 way potential, but its like picking between Dirk and KG.

From what ive heard, Doncic could be the next big point forward. I like him alot, particularly if we land a top 3, but I dont really enough about his scoring potential to rate him higher then Porter/Bagley

Manwiththeplan said:

So be honest, what chance do my Knicks have at getting a lottery pick?

C: Enes Kanter, Willy Hernangomez
PF: Kristaps Porzingis, Mindaugas Kuzminskas
SF: Michael Beasley, Doug McDermott
SG: Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee
PG: Raymond Sessions, Frank Ntilikina

I like our chances. Beasley and Hardaway should be a pretty bad pairing, the only real downside is, we're stuck with Hardaway for 4 years. But with the exception of Porzingis, you have a bunch of no defense playing chuckers, with no real facilitator. Ntilikina *could* surprise us, but while I think he'll be a good player, I don't think he has the quickness needed to be a top PG from day 1.

Chicago, Atlanta and of course Brooklyn (Cleveland) worry me, but I'd be pretty estatic if we could land Bagley, Porter or Doncic.

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Knicks have far underachieved in recent seasons so interesting thing will be to see if this younger team under new leadership outperforms expectations.
In the West this would certainly be a lottery lock. In the East they should be but could sneak in at end if some of these hungry guys Beasley meet potential.

Knicks may follow Mavs course of last season though and just play younger guys and manage to move off of veterans and mini-tank.

jterrell said:

Knicks have far underachieved in recent seasons so interesting thing will be to see if this younger team under new leadership outperforms expectations.
In the West this would certainly be a lottery lock. In the East they should be but could sneak in at end if some of these hungry guys Beasley meet potential.

Knicks may follow Mavs course of last season though and just play younger guys and manage to move off of veterans and mini-tank.

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I hope Beasley goes into chucker mode, almost like a Melo light

The Spurs had the Warriors down 23 points in the playoff game. They really didn’t need to add anyone. Team chemistry and corporate knowledge goes a long way in determining who wins in any team sport. Spurs of tons of each. Plus they have the greatest coach in the NBA and hopefully future POTUS.

Rockport said:

The Spurs had the Warriors down 23 points in the playoff game. They really didn’t need to add anyone. Team chemistry and corporate knowledge goes a long way in determining who wins in any team sport. Spurs of tons of each. Plus they have the greatest coach in the NBA and hopefully future POTUS.

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So a lineup consisting of Gasol (37), Aldridge (32), Leonard, Parker (35), Green (30). Rudy Gay was a good addition to the bench, I forgot about him. The front line outside of Leonard doesn't scare anyone. Parker is old and his game is breaking down. 5 seasons in a row his FG% dropped. Spurs bench frontline (C, PF, SF) outside of Gay have depth issues.

PJTHEDOORS said:

So a lineup consisting of Gasol (37), Aldridge (32), Leonard, Parker (35), Green (30). Rudy Gay was a good addition to the bench, I forgot about him. The front line outside of Leonard doesn't scare anyone. Parker is old and his game is breaking down. 5 seasons in a row his FG% dropped. Spurs bench frontline (C, PF, SF) outside of Gay have depth issues.

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They scared the hell out of the Warriors.

Rockport said:

They scared the hell out of the Warriors.

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That was game 1. Warriors came out flat and then took over the rest of the series. Anyways, I am talking about this season, not last year.

PJTHEDOORS said:

That was game 1. Warriors came out flat and then took over the rest of the series. Anyways, I am talking about this season, not last year.

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They took over after Leonard went down.

PJTHEDOORS said:

I would put Boston, Cleve, OKC, Houston, Minny, New Orleans over them (behind GS). Spurs haven't added anyone of note.

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WAT

PJTHEDOORS said:

So a lineup consisting of Gasol (37), Aldridge (32), Leonard, Parker (35), Green (30). Rudy Gay was a good addition to the bench, I forgot about him. The front line outside of Leonard doesn't scare anyone. Parker is old and his game is breaking down. 5 seasons in a row his FG% dropped. Spurs bench frontline (C, PF, SF) outside of Gay have depth issues.

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You are arguing with someone who is clearly a Spurs homer that is also on my blocked list, lol.
I can see why that person whomever they are is blocked.

The Spurs have a top 5 player in Leonard.

After him they realistically lack another top 50 player. Gasol, Aldridge, Green, Mills could all argue for 51-100 area inclusion but they just lack young, quality players.
They do have a heck of a system and the league's best coach.

Rudy Gay is essentially a lottery team version of Leonard. He's not top 20 in any category. He had a negative plus/minus score the prior 5 years, last year playing 30 games he did end up positive and he scored it very well.
But again he only played 30 games and is another over 30 Spur.

So he may well be overrated by many but reality is he just isn't very good.

The Spurs are ALWAYS better than their talent suggests but this is truly poor talent.
And once past 30-31 guys drop off yearly for the most part. When you have 5 of these guys the combined drop off is far more than any addition of Rudy Gay.

The Spurs challenge is having too many older, overpaid guys that are rotation level but not really plus starters.
The Spurs are in a similar state to Dallas after 2011. They've got lots of good, older players but not much in the way of youth or commodities to use in trade.
Dallas has been spinning it's wheels for 5 years trying to stay competitive around Dirk all while not over-committing to spares.
It has been a really slow grind to add younger talent and collect trade-able assets.
SAS took the other tact and went ahead and paid MAX for Aldridge and enough to keep others but now looks to be in that same type pickle.
No one really wants olds unless you wanna trade to GSW/CLE who have no decent draft picks.

CODE_BLUE56 said:

WAT

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Minny added Jeff Teague and Jimmy Butler. That's a pretty salty lineup.

TEAGUE
WIGGINS
BUTLER
Taj GIBSON
KAT

Do you give the Spurs the anywhere but Kawhi?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...-way-possible/ar-AAsXKd5?li=BBnba9I&ocid=iehp

I just found this hilarious. So apparently, Jeremy Lin wants to be black, so says Kenyon Martin with Chinese Tattoos.

jterrell said:

You are arguing with someone who is clearly a Spurs homer that is also on my blocked list, lol.
I can see why that person whomever they are is blocked.

The Spurs have a top 5 player in Leonard.

After him they realistically lack another top 50 player. Gasol, Aldridge, Green, Mills could all argue for 51-100 area inclusion but they just lack young, quality players.
They do have a heck of a system and the league's best coach.

Rudy Gay is essentially a lottery team version of Leonard. He's not top 20 in any category. He had a negative plus/minus score the prior 5 years, last year playing 30 games he did end up positive and he scored it very well.
But again he only played 30 games and is another over 30 Spur.

So he may well be overrated by many but reality is he just isn't very good.

The Spurs are ALWAYS better than their talent suggests but this is truly poor talent.
And once past 30-31 guys drop off yearly for the most part. When you have 5 of these guys the combined drop off is far more than any addition of Rudy Gay.

The Spurs challenge is having too many older, overpaid guys that are rotation level but not really plus starters.
The Spurs are in a similar state to Dallas after 2011. They've got lots of good, older players but not much in the way of youth or commodities to use in trade.
Dallas has been spinning it's wheels for 5 years trying to stay competitive around Dirk all while not over-committing to spares.
It has been a really slow grind to add younger talent and collect trade-able assets.
SAS took the other tact and went ahead and paid MAX for Aldridge and enough to keep others but now looks to be in that same type pickle.
No one really wants olds unless you wanna trade to GSW/CLE who have no decent draft picks.

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Yet they won over 60 games last year and would've beaten the Warriors of Leonard hadn't gone down. They also have Pop. I love it every year when fans dismiss the Spurs.