Why is the NFL committing suicide?

GimmeTheBall! said:

Yes, old fellow, in your good old days of the 1950s and 1960s many classes of people were told where they could eat, where they could go, where they could live. Women and minorities knew their places. Ah, the good old days. NOT!
Do not tell me something is politically correct when in fact it is usually just correct.

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PC and correct are not always the same.

Yes, not using the N-Word or F-word for gays, etc is both correct and PC.

Responding to Kaepernickians with facts about the issue is correct but not PC.

Fact: Blacks (13% of the population) committed over 50% of murders.

The fact above is correct but not PC.

RXP said:

No.

Political correctness is having a certain group of people dictate to everyone else how to live their lives.

What to say. What car they can drive. Much money they can have. What to eat.

I could go on all day listing things we are allowed or not allowed to do based on what certain people say.

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That's more social activism getting out of hand than political correctness.

Political correctness is about trying to come up with new terminology in an attempt to make sure nobody is ever offended anything. The problem with political correctness is that new terminology will eventually turn into something that offends somebody. Much like the word 'ret@rd' was a scientific term that was later replaced by 'mongoloid' until that started to offend certain people and then it became 'mentally challenged' which is now used to insult people.

And in the end, political correctness accomplishes nothing other than to alienate people and wonder why the vocal minority gets to dictate terminology.




YR

xwalker said:

PC and correct are not always the same.

Yes, not using the N-Word or F-word for gays, etc is both correct and PC.

Responding to Kaepernickians with facts about the issue is correct but not PC.

Fact: Blacks (13% of the population) committed over 50% of murders.

The fact above is correct but not PC.

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at the risk of being un-PC, that statistical fact, unfortunately, is more damning when you narrow it down to males, who are responsible for the vast majority of those crime numbers cited.

sunbum said:

so based on your strong convictions and adamant position on this situation, it is safe to assume that if the Cowboys decide not to participate in these protests than you're out, right?

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Why would I be out?. The right to protest includes a right not to protest

AbeBeta said:

Why would I be out. The right to protest includes a right not to protest

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oh, good for you and convenient. Scratch the convictions comment then

sunbum said:

oh, good for you and convenient. Scratch the convictions comment then

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Convenient? No, I actually understand what rights mean and also that players, particularly fringe guys, may legitimately fear for their livelihood. I also realize they may fear backlash because they live in a backwards state

Yakuza Rich said:

I could look back to the 70's and 80's as well. Boxing used to be a feature show on CBS in the 80's. But corruption ruined boxing and boxing thought it was above declining. Now look at it.

And the same goes for baseball.

Can anybody point to a time where politics was thrusted into a sport and it actually increased the popularity of that sport?

I'm all ears.

There's one surefire bet in the league today....Goodell and company will ALWAYS play the public relations game the wrong way.




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Seems like the NFL was thrust into this situation by outside forces. The league did not create this, the league is responding to statements that are seen by the majority of the nation as wrong and inappropriate.

Politicians need to stay out of sports. Not the other way around

rags747 said:

Let's take a vote right here, How many of us think the owners have a special sensitivity to the issues being protested and appreciate it being done on their sidelines. I say ZERO %

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Add Houston

Add Pat's

Add Jags

I'm losing count but still, well over 0%

rags747 said:

Let's take a vote right here, How many of us think the owners have a special sensitivity to the issues being protested and appreciate it being done on their sidelines. I say ZERO %

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Add Raiders.

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AbeBeta said:

Add Houston

Add Pat's

Add Jags

I'm losing count but still, well over 0%

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Jerry Jones stature is sky high right now in my mind. Anyone know how I can send an email of THX and appreciation? Seriously...

rags747 said:

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Jerry Jones stature is sky high right now in my mind. Anyone know how I can send an email of THX and appreciation? Seriously...

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Thank you Mr. Jones for remaining silent while all rational people speak out. Thank you for your continued stubborn ignorance

AbeBeta said:

Why would I be out?. The right to protest includes a right not to protest

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Sadly the protests do more harm than good.

The vast majority of people killed by police either had a weapon and/resisted questioning/arrest.

Now the protesters are telling kids that the police are the enemy which will lead to even more people resisting.

The idea that police are killing black people because they're racist is absurd in 2017. The police know the scrutiny on them for killing a black person will be extreme. Only a insane person would volunteer for that scrutiny.

Police killings are based on fear of being killed themselves. Police are not killing black Grandmothers at high rates. The police killings are concentrated on the demographic that is most likely to kill the police (Black Males).

Race definitely does not explain why black officers have killed blacks at 3x the rate of white officers.

Until people quit denying the real issue, nothing can really improve. There is an extreme crime problem in black communities. That needs to be addressed. The Kaepernick types could have much more impact focusing on this issue.

Why are the black crime rates so high?

Police killings might not really be a black issue, but an income issue. There are believed to be higher rates of police killings of low income whites than those with higher incomes. Unfortunately race is much easier to quantify than income in the stats of who was killed by police.

Sean Lee in with comments.

xwalker said:

Sadly the protests do more harm than good.

The vast majority of people killed by police either had a weapon and/resisted questioning/arrest.

Now the protesters are telling kids that the police are the enemy which will lead to even more people resisting.

The idea that police are killing black people because they're racist is absurd in 2017. The police know the scrutiny on them for killing a black person will be extreme. Only a insane person would volunteer for that scrutiny.

Police killings are based on fear of being killed themselves. Police are not killing black Grandmothers at high rates. The police killings are concentrated on the demographic that is most likely to kill the police (Black Males).

Race definitely does not explain why black officers have killed blacks at 3x the rate of white officers.

Until people quit denying the real issue, nothing can really improve. There is an extreme crime problem in black communities. That needs to be addressed. The Kaepernick types could have much more impact focusing on this issue.

Why are the black crime rates so high?

Police killings might not really be a black issue, but an income issue. There are believed to be higher rates of police killings of low income whites than those with higher incomes. Unfortunately race is much easier to quantify than income in the stats of who was killed by police.

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Right. You look at someone and see income first. Preposterous.

AbeBeta said:

Right. You look at someone and see income first. Preposterous.

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Low income = Higher Crime Rates

People committing more crime are more likely to get shot by police.

It's not that complicated.

Preposterous is your concept that police decide to pull the trigger when the perpetrator is black but don't when the perpetrator is white.

You won't answer the question: Why are crime rates so extreme in the U.S. black population?

xwalker said:

Low income = Higher Crime Rates

People committing more crime are more likely to get shot by police.

It's not that complicated.

Preposterous is your concept that police decide to pull the trigger when the perpetrator is black but don't when the perpetrator is white.

You won't answer the question: Why are crime rates so extreme in the U.S. black population?

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You are ignoring the social forces that led to and maintain the over representation of African Americans in lower income brackets.

You appear to want to attribute crime rates to some personal flaw. It is sad to know people still hold such views.

rags747 said:

Let's take a vote right here, How many of us think the owners have a special sensitivity to the issues being protested and appreciate it being done on their sidelines. I say ZERO %

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Current count, 21 teams with statements.



What do zero % mean?

Killerinstinct said:

This appears to be an orchestrated attempt but I don't get it.

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GOODELL

AbeBeta said:

You are ignoring the social forces that led to and maintain the over representation of African Americans in lower income brackets.

You appear to want to attribute crime rates to some personal flaw. It is sad to know people still hold such views.

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Nope, you're not attempting to comprehend what I said.

I offered low income as a possible reason for high crime rates.

If it is low income that causes high crimes rates among blacks and high crime rates put them in more danger of being killed, then shouldn't Kaepernick protest low income?

xwalker said:

Low income = Higher Crime Rates

People committing more crime are more likely to get shot by police.

It's not that complicated.

Preposterous is your concept that police decide to pull the trigger when the perpetrator is black but don't when the perpetrator is white.

You won't answer the question: Why are crime rates so extreme in the U.S. black population?

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I in no way dismiss there are instances of police brutality and that a small percentage of police do not have the temperament or otherwise are unfit to wear a badge.

Despite these being just statistics, I suppose my post will be deleted. Nonetheless and in efforts to try and say something constructive, one must wonder how/why, out of so many injustices, a particular cause is chosen:

- 2016 instances of police killing blacks: 258, decrease of 19% from 2015
***************239 of those killed were carrying an illegal firearm
- 2016 instances of blacks killing blacks: 2380, increase of 8% from 2015

Where is the outrage here?

And I agree with your premise, low income translates to greater frequency of interactions with police. In turn, there's inevitably a minute percentage of chance for misconduct, brutality or a death. Poverty crosses all races though as well as contain this chance.

I will venture to say that minorities are more likely to be lower income and I believe is the driving factor behind these protests. It's not as much police brutality but what could be perceived as systematic suppression where minorities remain in poverty. That's something I can not dispute and wish would change. I would like to think this is something everyone could join together and address.

IMO though, these protests are missing the real mark and aimed at the wrong target.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...by-police-america_us_577da633e4b0c590f7e7fb17