Dak isn't changing plays at the LOS

mattjames2010 · Sep 25, 2017

links18 said:
They need to move the pocket more often in the first quarter to loosen the defense up a little bit. But yeah, they can't keep running Elliot into stacked fronts and hoping he "becomes his own blocker," or whatever Gruden said. If this is Dak not reading the defense or just bad game planning or play calling, I don't know.

At least someone is getting what I'm saying.

Someone can come in and make a good argument that this is on the coaching staff. Since Dak was doing it last year, as in changing the plays, maybe they have limited what Dak can do at the line.

Either way, it's getting us into trouble early. It killed the game last week.

khiladi · Sep 25, 2017

rocyaice said:
You've faced 3 of the toughest defenses you will see all year....be thankful we are 2-1 and move on to the Rams.......its going to be another tough one..........

How does three games into the season qualify to make that determination?

Everybody is putting up points against the Giants including the Eagles.. the Cardinals before this game were 24th in the league in points given up.

rpntex · Sep 25, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
Still added nothing - again, show me where Dak killed a play, show me where he was helping the line against the defense, show me where he avoided Zeke from running into a blitz or a loaded box.

I'm telling you, you won't find it in this game. It was line up and go - now maybe that was a weird strategy going in - but this strategy or problem with Zeke, had us put up our lowest yardage total on offense since 2005 in the first half.

According to Broaddus, at this stage in his development, Dak comes to the line and reads two players - the MLB, and another player determined by the original play call. I don't know for sure, but if the Cardinals weren't varying their fronts (and it didn't seem like they did much of that tonight), maybe he felt comfortable with the original call - thus, no need to audible.

BigStar · Sep 25, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
I have the entire game - I am asking you to show me where he checked out of a play tonight. It was line up and go, I saw no communication from him with the other players once he was at the line. If it happened, it sure as hell wasn't happening enough.

It took Zeke, luckily, breaking some tackles in the backfield to get something going. I get Zeke is some people's MVP last year on offense, but running into a loaded box and blitzes constantly is too much for even top 5 RBs.

In shotgun all wides he changed the play when he turned his back to the D to perform some gesture to his WRs (like he was playing drums gesture). I remember bc he did this awkward audible last game too.

mattjames2010 · Sep 25, 2017

BigStar said:
In shotgun all wides he changed the play when he turned his back to the D to perform some gesture to his WRs. I remember bc he did it last game too.

I'll have to go back and look, which quarter was this?

My biggest issue is knowing when to get out of the run, that seems to be what is killing drives. We shouldn't be losing 2-3 yards with how our offense is set up.

BigStar · Sep 25, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
I'll have to go back and look, which quarter was this?

My biggest issue is knowing when to get out of the run, that seems to be what is killing drives. We shouldn't be losing 2-3 yards with how our offense is set up.

Earlier in the game (want to say end 1st or 2nd qtr). Don't remember the outcome but that drum gesture was what caught my attention. Found this on Reddit too referencing audibles from week 1. I get what you mean in audibling out of run plays that are doomed but think that is something that is hard to gauge for a run heavy team tbh.

Ken · Sep 25, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
I can't be the only one seeing this. And no, I'm not counting the freakin' read option plays. I'm talking about plays where it's clear the Cards are loading the box or going with an all out blitz, and we have Elliott running directly into it.

I doubt Garrett took this away from Dak. This was our biggest problem for the majority of the game, and I didn't see Dak doing it at the end either.

People may want to overlook this because they are high on the W. This offense still has some serious problems, and if the Cards would have scored early often like the Broncos did, this could have been a completely different game. Luckily Lawrence played at DPOY type level.

On a side note: Green and Collins need to return to their natural NFL positions. It's not working out.

He changed plays all game long at home against the Giants. It was hard to hear anything in Denver and changing plays is that much harder.

I saw a few changed today but I dont think it is anything to worry about.

stilltheguru88 · Sep 25, 2017

Cowboyz88 said:
Can you please give it a rest?

Perhaps we can get a Kickstarter going to get you to start up a Romo Is The King message board, and ya'll can all sit around and talk about what an amazing Color Commentator he is.

I'm in for $50, right now.

But he calls others trolls when he's the biggest one. ***

pete026 · Sep 26, 2017

khiladi said:
How does three games into the season qualify to make that determination?

Everybody is putting up points against the Giants including the Eagles.. the Cardinals before this game were 24th in the league in points given up.

And the Cardinals gave up an avg of 24 points in the previous 2 games and we scored 28 on them.

We beat the giants by 16 points and the eagles beat them in OT by 3. Not sure of your point?

I'm not even saying Dak is having an incredible start this year but he started off last year about the same and look where we ended up.. Give the Offense a chance.

As for this repeated comparison of Romo and Dak. Were people comparing Romo to Staubach and Aikman back in 2006/7. I don't think so. It would be absurd to do that and it is absurd to do this now.

Cowboysfan917 · Sep 26, 2017

If memory serves, Linehan bus drove Dak for changing run plays at the goal line in week one... maybe there was something implemented?

vaturkey · Sep 26, 2017

Geez, I remember last year when folks were complaining that Dak was changing the plays too much at the LOS. FWIW, I remember at least once last night when he turned his back to the Defense and used hand signals and changed the play. Wasn't many as in some other games, but it was there. I don't think you can overstate that the home crowd was rocking last night and as such sometimes its tough to change the play at the LOS.

Sydla · Sep 26, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
I can't be the only one seeing this. And no, I'm not counting the freakin' read option plays. I'm talking about plays where it's clear the Cards are loading the box or going with an all out blitz, and we have Elliott running directly into it.

I doubt Garrett took this away from Dak. This was our biggest problem for the majority of the game, and I didn't see Dak doing it at the end either.

People may want to overlook this because they are high on the W. This offense still has some serious problems, and if the Cards would have scored early often like the Broncos did, this could have been a completely different game. Luckily Lawrence played at DPOY type level.

On a side note: Green and Collins need to return to their natural NFL positions. It's not working out.

I saw him changing plays.

haleyrules · Sep 26, 2017

Prescott has to be given time to learn the pro game. He will be OK and proved it against the Cardinals.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 26, 2017

khiladi said:
How does three games into the season qualify to make that determination?

Everybody is putting up points against the Giants including the Eagles.. the Cardinals before this game were 24th in the league in points given up.

Well we will see once the season unfolds.......I just care about winning....if they win 6 to 3 then I'm fine.

ThisBored · Sep 26, 2017

So I appreciate Tony. And at times, I do miss watching him play. He was fun to watch and was very talented. But, I am comfortable with Dak at QB and even more happy that he isnt changing plays at the line. Tony didnt for his first few years as a starter if my memory is correct. And given this teams tendencies, I really dont want him checking out of runs.

This team plays best when they are running the ball. While yardage gained matters, running attempts matter a little more IMO.

Doomsday101 · Sep 26, 2017

mattjames2010 said:
I can't be the only one seeing this. And no, I'm not counting the freakin' read option plays. I'm talking about plays where it's clear the Cards are loading the box or going with an all out blitz, and we have Elliott running directly into it.

I doubt Garrett took this away from Dak. This was our biggest problem for the majority of the game, and I didn't see Dak doing it at the end either.

People may want to overlook this because they are high on the W. This offense still has some serious problems, and if the Cards would have scored early often like the Broncos did, this could have been a completely different game. Luckily Lawrence played at DPOY type level.

On a side note: Green and Collins need to return to their natural NFL positions. It's not working out.

And you would be wrong, he came up to the line on several plays got then turned giving signals to RB and WR for changes he was making.

Sydla · Sep 26, 2017

So do we have any verifiable proof of this?

I find it hard to believe that the Cowboys would strip audible responsibilities from Prescott given how adept he was at it last year considering he was a rookie.

Baileyneverfailey · Sep 26, 2017

I don't know how to tell you this, but if you audible out of a run every time the other team loads the box, they will do it every play because you're letting them dictate your offense. Do you sometimes swap out to a pass in that scenario? Sure. Every time? Nope.

Zeke's first 30 yard run came against a 8/9 man box and he and the o-line just made the play anyway.

mattjames2010 · Sep 26, 2017

Joshmvii said:
I don't know how to tell you this, but if you audible out of a run every time the other team loads the box, they will do it every play because you're letting them dictate your offense. Do you sometimes swap out to a pass in that scenario? Sure. Every time? Nope.

Zeke's first 30 yard run came against a 8/9 man box and he and the o-line just made the play anyway.

I didn't say every play. Don't strawman.

Doomsday101 · Sep 26, 2017

Joshmvii said:
I don't know how to tell you this, but if you audible out of a run every time the other team loads the box, they will do it every play because you're letting them dictate your offense. Do you sometimes swap out to a pass in that scenario? Sure. Every time? Nope.

Zeke's first 30 yard run came against a 8/9 man box and he and the o-line just made the play anyway.

That is why it is important for Dak to complete those passes when he does. Teams will load the box until you hurt them enough for them to back off. For Dak or any QB not to change calls at the line when the play you have puts you at a disadvantage is stupid.

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