Dez criticism on NFL network

Sydla · Nov 22, 2017

triplets92 said:
I agree with you to an extent but I will add that Dak isn't doing him any favors. ***THIS IS NOT A BASH DAK STATEMENT *** With Tony at Qb Dez was at his best for 2 reasons. 1. Ball placement was better and 2. Tony trusted Dez more in 1 on 1 coverage. those two things combined allowed Dez to be confident and physical at the point of attack. Dak either forces it too him or doesn't give him a lot of accurate balls. at least this season it looks that way.

But the flipside to this is that Dez doesn't seem to have the same explosion he once had. He's had some 50-50 balls that he should have made a play (or would have made the play if this was 4 years ago) and he failed. The Dez of 4 years ago wouldnt' have alligator armed that one throw in the Eagles game like he did.

I am of the mind that when things go awry, the flaws of everyone involved really come shining through. So right now, we are seeing the flaws of Dak, Dez and this coaching staff really highlighted.

CyberB0b · Nov 22, 2017

None of these receivers are good at creating separation. They aren't schemed open, so that doesn't help. Dak isn't very accurate, especially when he's constantly under pressure. Dez isn't even close to 2014 Dez.

The issue is systemic. Everyone from the GM to the players on field are sharing a role in the mediocrity. It's clear that the Dez signing was a huge mistake.

TheCount · Nov 22, 2017

The Natural said:
Beasley isn't running the correct depth on his routes. Witten hasn't been doing it for years, maybe that's who Dez learned it from.

Beasley basically has two routes. The option in/out based on coverage and the slant. It's no surprise teams have figured out how to defend it.

The Patriots used to run that route and club teams to death with it and the league adjusted, but we're always behind the times so it's no surprise we're running it now. I'm sure we'll start running rub-routes 3 years from now, after the league has figured that out as well.

Stash · Nov 22, 2017

Sydla said:
Romo covered for a lot of the warts of this offense - coaching, etc.

Yeah, that's obviously. Look at these coaches' pathetic record without him. If not for Dak, who's now getting the abuse, they still be looking like a turtle lying on its back.

Imagine if they actually got their way. Paxton Lynch would be here. That's the stuff of nightmares.

:omg:

Stash · Nov 22, 2017

TheCount said:
Beasley basically has two routes. The option in/out based on coverage and the slant. It's no surprise teams have figured out how to defend it.

The Patriots used to run that route and club teams to death with it and the league adjusted, but we're always behind the times so it's no surprise we're running it now. I'm sure we'll start running rub-routes 3 years from now, after the league has figured that out as well.

You mean they now have the recipe for the "Secret Sauce"?

TheCount · Nov 22, 2017

stasheroo said:
You mean they now have the recipe for the "Secret Sauce"?

The secret is out

Verdict · Nov 22, 2017

EST_1986 said:
get in here and spew your hate @Verdict I'm sure this makes your day

No it doesn't make my day. I'm a Cowboys fan. I'm right. But doesn't mean that I take joy in being right in this instance.

Dez is bad but we could make due with Dez if we 1. Cut his cap hit and 2. Quit forcing him the ball.

That will never work becase 1. He wont take a pay cut and 2. The coaches are pussies and placate Dez by telling Dak to force him the ball. It's maddening.

Dez sucks but this is equally on the coaches as Dez.

xwalker · Nov 22, 2017

dfense said:
Anybody catch the piece they did criticizing Dez? Reggie Wayne was talking about how Dez really doesn't do anything really good. Routes, speed, getting open, etc.

What was funny though, is the whole time he's talking, they're running clips of Dez with passes hitting his ankles, two feet behind him, or sailing over his head. One clip he jumps like three feet higher than anyone around him but the ball is still sails six feet over his head. Only one clip had him actually dropping a pass.

I thought it was funny. None of the other talking heads said anything about the passes.

If a WR runs the route at an incorrect depth, then the pass will be off target.

Verdict · Nov 22, 2017

stasheroo said:
Let them say he's a "top 10 receiver" and worth the top 5 money he's being paid. The only thing they succeed in doing is indicting their own credibility.

This has quickly moved into one of those "cap conversations" that needs to happen between player and management.

Given what an emotional guy Dez is, I can't help but wonder how that conversation will go. But it's obvious that it needs to happen after this season.

Awesome post.

xwalker · Nov 22, 2017

visionary said:
Maybe just maybe the passes are hitting his ankles or sailing over his head because he's running the wrong route or at the wrong depth?

CowboyRoy · Nov 22, 2017

triplets92 said:
I agree with you to an extent but I will add that Dak isn't doing him any favors. ***THIS IS NOT A BASH DAK STATEMENT *** With Tony at Qb Dez was at his best for 2 reasons. 1. Ball placement was better and 2. Tony trusted Dez more in 1 on 1 coverage. those two things combined allowed Dez to be confident and physical at the point of attack. Dak either forces it too him or doesn't give him a lot of accurate balls. at least this season it looks that way.

Dak is clearly more of a manager then Romo was. In a good way. He simply does NOT feel comfortable just throwing the ball up for grabs like Romo did. He is not built to risk it or wing it. He is a very smart QB and throws to guys that are open. You basically have to overcome the common sense that your brain is telling and throw it anyway.

Staubacher · Nov 22, 2017

All of our sudden our WRs are no good and can't run routes?

Hmmm what's changed in the past 2 seasons...let me think.

Aven8 · Nov 22, 2017

Didn't the WR from the Gents from North Carolina have the same foot injury and was never the same? His name escapes me....

Staubacher · Nov 22, 2017

CowboyRoy said:
Dak is clearly more of a manager then Romo was. In a good way. He simply does NOT feel comfortable just throwing the ball up for grabs like Romo did. He is not built to risk it or wing it. He is a very smart QB and throws to guys that are open. You basically have to overcome the common sense that your brain is telling and throw it anyway.

He has 7 picks already this year. Sounds risky to me.

Dak has stunk it up when we needed him most this season. He's regressed.

Kevinicus · Nov 22, 2017

Sydla said:
But the flipside to this is that Dez doesn't seem to have the same explosion he once had. He's had some 50-50 balls that he should have made a play (or would have made the play if this was 4 years ago) and he failed. The Dez of 4 years ago wouldnt' have alligator armed that one throw in the Eagles game like he did.

I am of the mind that when things go awry, the flaws of everyone involved really come shining through. So right now, we are seeing the flaws of Dak, Dez and this coaching staff really highlighted.

Which one was alligator armed? I don't recall one like that.

hornitosmonster · Nov 22, 2017

dfense said:
Anybody catch the piece they did criticizing Dez? Reggie Wayne was talking about how Dez really doesn't do anything really good. Routes, speed, getting open, etc.

What was funny though, is the whole time he's talking, they're running clips of Dez with passes hitting his ankles, two feet behind him, or sailing over his head. One clip he jumps like three feet higher than anyone around him but the ball is still sails six feet over his head. Only one clip had him actually dropping a pass.

I thought it was funny. None of the other talking heads said anything about the passes.

Everything they sure is true.

Sydla · Nov 22, 2017

Aven8 said:
Didn't the WR from the Gents from North Carolina have the same foot injury and was never the same? His name escapes me....

Hakeem Nicks? Kid was definitely a talent.

Sydla · Nov 22, 2017

Kevinicus said:
Which one was alligator armed? I don't recall one like that.

Sideline pass. Dak scrambled, Dez ran what looked like a short out route, stopped and then tried to slide into the gap between the CB and S. Dak threw it, it was high but a catchable ball, but Dez short armed it as he was about to get hit by Malcom Jenkins I believe.

Sydla · Nov 22, 2017

Staubacher said:
He has 7 picks already this year. Sounds risky to me.

Dak has stunk it up when we needed him most this season. He's regressed.

Yeah but like three of those picks are because some of our WRs have stone hands.

I don't know if he can or the coaches simply don't try it, but I would like to see us use the middle of the field more. Crossing routes, etc. Our offense seems to be jump balls and nothing but short outs.

gimmesix · Nov 22, 2017

Sydla said:
Our passing game problems are tied to Dak and Dez. That's just reality. As pointed out, his target numbers will seem high but how many are really high quality targets? But on the flipside, he's run some lazy routes at times, he's dropped catchable balls and he's done things like that alligator arms move on the sideline against the Eagles.

Sometimes, things just don't work for whatever reason. It's going to be interesting to see where this "relationship" goes. Dak and Dez can't continue to be on different pages going forward.

I agree that the blame is shared. There seems to be a tendency for fans/commentators to lean one way or the other — Dez isn't any good or Dak isn't throwing him good balls. Those of us who watch our team game in and game out should recognize that sometimes Dez doesn't get open, sometimes he's dropping the ball, sometimes he's running poor routes, sometimes he's not timing his jumps well, while there are plenty of other times where he is open, where Dak just didn't see him or didn't get to him in the progression and where Dak just flat out didn't put the ball where it needed to be.

If we went back during each game and counted the number of time Dez and Dak should have connected, we'd probably be amazed at the number. But they are not connecting like they should and that's a problem.

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