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Just watched highlights from the game....

Antonio Brown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dez. OMG, the two are in separate universes.

Big Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dak. OMG, the two are in separate universes.

Big Ben 37-58 for 469 yards and 5 tds
Antonio Brown 7-132 for 2 tds 11 targets

Take AB's receptions out and this is Ben's stat line 30-47 for 337 and 3 tds.

Tight End Vance McDonald (who?) had 10 catches for 112 yards.

That's what a real good experienced passer does for your offense.
 

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Big Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dak. OMG, the two are in separate universes.

Big Ben 37-58 for 469 yards and 5 tds
Antonio Brown 7-132 for 2 tds 11 targets

Take AB's receptions out and this is Ben's stat line 30-47 for 337 and 3 tds.

Tight End Vance McDonald (who?) had 10 catches for 112 yards.

That's what a real good experienced passer does for your offense.
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He was moved to SAM for Pozluzny.

It was well documented in Jax. He struggled at the point of attack so they moved him. Which frankly, we should do with Smith. Move him to WILL.
How often do we play a 4-3? Lol we’re always in nickel. Jack plays way more than dude
 

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How often do we play a 4-3? Lol we’re always in nickel. Jack plays way more than dude

You can say whatever you want but it’s a fact they they had to move Jack from MLB. He struggled inside.

He plays in their nickel package as well.
 

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I’m telling the truth bro

You sarcastically said you thought Jack was benched for Pozluzny.

The problem is, he was. The Jags gave Jack the starting MLB job heading into the 2017 season. After watching him in camps, they decided to move him because he was struggling there inside. They moved him to SAM. He still calls some plays and he plays in their nickle.

The problem with saying we should have drafted him is that they probably would have tried to make him play MIKE too which would be a mistake.
 

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You sarcastically said you thought Jack was benched for Pozluzny.

The problem is, he was. The Jags gave Jack the starting MLB job heading into the 2017 season. After watching him in camps, they decided to move him because he was struggling there inside. They moved him to SAM. He still calls some plays and he plays in their nickle.

The problem with saying we should have drafted him is that they probably would have tried to make him play MIKE too which would be a mistake.
Lol ok bruh. I’ll take the linebacker who played in over 90 percent of the teams snaps.
 

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Lol ok bruh. I’ll take the linebacker who played in over 90 percent of the teams snaps.

You are still missing the point.

I am not saying Jack isn’t a better LB now.

I am just pointing out in your attempt to prop up Jack you said something you thought was false that was actually accurate. He was moved from MIKE in their base D.
 

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Big Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dak. OMG, the two are in separate universes.

Big Ben 37-58 for 469 yards and 5 tds
Antonio Brown 7-132 for 2 tds 11 targets

Take AB's receptions out and this is Ben's stat line 30-47 for 337 and 3 tds.

Tight End Vance McDonald (who?) had 10 catches for 112 yards.

That's what a real good experienced passer does for your offense.
These silly comparisons...

How long has Big Ben been in the league? Ok. Now how long has Dak been in the same league?

The Dez/AB comparison is just. Both are at points in their careers where they should be lights out. Yet only one has been in the past few years and the common denominator has not been Dak. As I recall, Dez had issues catching passes from Romo too after he signed that yuge contract.

But don't let me spoil your little Dak bash. :rolleyes:
 

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Big Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dak. OMG, the two are in separate universes.

Big Ben 37-58 for 469 yards and 5 tds
Antonio Brown 7-132 for 2 tds 11 targets

Take AB's receptions out and this is Ben's stat line 30-47 for 337 and 3 tds.

Tight End Vance McDonald (who?) had 10 catches for 112 yards.

That's what a real good experienced passer does for your offense.
Big Ben's a HOF'er. Of course he is. Don't know why that's a surprise.
 

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These silly comparisons...

How long has Big Ben been in the league? Ok. Now how long has Dak been in the same league?

The Dez/AB comparison is just. Both are at points in their careers where they should be lights out. Yet only one has been in the past few years and the common denominator has not been Dak. As I recall, Dez had issues catching passes from Romo too after he signed that yuge contract.

But don't let me spoil your little Dak bash. :rolleyes:

Big Ben's a HOF'er. Of course he is. Don't know why that's a surprise.

First of all, I'm not necessarily bashing Dak (I realize that he's limited due to his inexperience) but you can't look at Dez vs AB (which I know that AB's better) in a vacuum, who's passing them the ball matters. If you pose the question to me of "how long has Dak and Big Ben been in the league" you yourself are admitting that they are on a different level but comparing Dez and AB is just? Really think about that.

A wr is only going to be as good as the passer will allow, think Randy Moss in Oakland vs Randy Moss in New England. What was the difference? A great offseason? A rededication to getting better? Or Tom Brady.

Remember all the wrs and Wittens stats were down this year. The problem I have with the Dez bashers is that they assume when judging wrs is that a Juggs machine is throwing the ball to them, good, experienced passers make a difference.
 

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First of all, I'm not necessarily bashing Dak (I realize that he's limited due to his inexperience) but you can't look at Dez vs AB (which I know that AB's better) in a vacuum, who's passing them the ball matters. If you pose the question to me of "how long has Dak and Big Ben been in the league" you yourself are admitting that they are on a different level but comparing Dez and AB is just? Really think about that.

A wr is only going to be as good as the passer will allow, think Randy Moss in Oakland vs Randy Moss in New England. What was the difference? A great offseason? A rededication to getting better? Or Tom Brady.

Remember all the wrs and Wittens stats were down this year. The problem I have with the Dez bashers is that they assume when judging wrs is that a Juggs machine is throwing the ball to them, good, experienced passers make a difference.
Ok but you do agree that to compare Dak of present to an established future HOFer is a bit unfair. Correct?
 

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Ok but you do agree that to compare Dak of present to an established future HOFer is a bit unfair. Correct?

There's no way that Dak should be compared to Big Ben, for that matter neither can Wentz or Goff, a second year QB has just not seen enough to be compared to a guy that's been in the league 10+ years.

You can't get away from the fact that Dak's the guy who's responsible for making presnap reads, looking off defenders, changing plays at the line of scrimmage and he's not going to be as good at it as an experienced QB and that makes all the difference in the world when evaluating wrs.

Show me a receiving group that has made a QB look better than they were. None
I could show you a bunch of examples of QBs that make the receiving group look all world.

The QB makes the passing game not the other way around.
 

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There's no way that Dak should be compared to Big Ben, for that matter neither can Wentz or Goff, a second year QB has just not seen enough to be compared to a guy that's been in the league 10+ years.

You can't get away from the fact that Dak's the guy who's responsible for making presnap reads, looking off defenders, changing plays at the line of scrimmage and he's not going to be as good at it as an experienced QB and that makes all the difference in the world when evaluating wrs.

Show me a receiving group that has made a QB look better than they were. None
I could show you a bunch of examples of QBs that make the receiving group look all world.

The QB makes the passing game not the other way around.
Ok... But you made that comparison dude! Hence my response... But I think you agree that the comparison was a tad unfair. That was my only gripe.
 
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