Our receiving core? Do they scare anybody?

BobSacamano

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Teams were really double teaming Dez in the 2nd half of the season. So he was scaring somebody. Beasley was getting open but either Dak would not find him, the lanes would be clogged up because the spacing in our scheme is too narrow or the protection would not hold up. T-Will was not wanted by anybody in the offseason and that's why we got him 'cheap' according to the experts.

I would search for a legitimate X-receiver in the draft in the first round. Dez got really lazy with his catching technique. Hopefully this will motivate Dez and get some of the double teams off him and stretch the field vertically and allow Beasley more room to run underneath. We need to move on from Witten. If Rico could make that progression and is healthy, it would have a massive impact on the passing game because a TE that can stretch the field would work so well with Dak and help Beasley as well.

I still think a lot of this could be resolved with better coaching. Better spacing in the schematics, less use of curl and hitch routes, more plays ran from different formations would go a long way. But, with Garrett...I'll believe it when I see it.





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Dez can't separate vertically.
 

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I bet some teams were a little scared of Brice. He has all the measurables to be a threat, and he was producing as one as well. Too bad we didn't throw to him more.

Teams are a little scared of Beasley, but as long as they can shade a LB as part of their coverage on him, they're fine.

Dez and Williams? No.

To be fair to Dez, at least, part of that lack of fear is the lack of fear in the *combination* of our OC, our QB, and Dez.

The lack of fear in the group as a whole has a lot to do with the OC and QB. OC doesn't make the most of what we've got, and QB was having big accuracy problems for much of the season.

No teams are scared of our passing game as a whole. And they shouldn't be. And our only real speed threat deep is almost surely leaving. None of our players are bad, but it's a bad combination.
"A little scared of" WRs doesn't cut it in the NFL and should not cut it for us, either.
Brice as a backup I can see. Bease as a slot? Definitely, but he needs a strong WR opposite him.
Let us not make Brice anymore than he is, a JAG.
 

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"A little scared of" WRs doesn't cut it in the NFL and should not cut it for us, either.
Brice as a backup I can see. Bease as a slot? Definitely, but he needs a strong WR opposite him.
Let us not make Brice anymore than he is, a JAG.

"A little scared of" WR is fine and dandy for 4mil a year. Bease is a bargain. And we do need WRs who can go deep opposite him, but we didn't have that in our starters.

We would have probably been better off with Brice as our #2 this year. He was underutilized, as demonstrated by his huge yards per target. He's not great, but his size and speed make him a credible #2 threat deep. And he was only 1mil. And our only deep threat.

Our outside WRs are a very bad fit for this team. We have so many short threats, but no one to threaten deep and stretch the field, particularly with Brice all but gone. Garrett wants to run a Coryell offense, but he didn't get the deep WRs to do it.
 

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I don't understand putting WR failures before the QB's. QBs make or break WRs, if the QB isn't consistent the WRs won't be consistent. Teams have simply exposed Dak, the only time he is consistently accurate is when he is on the move. There have been times where he couldn't hit a stationary target between the numbers this year. That scares me way more than WR getting separation.

When Dez has a ball go through both hands and hit him in the face, that aint the QB.

It's the combination that got exposed. If our OC and our wideouts were beating press man coverage without help *like they should*, everything changes. Defenses can no longer crowd the box, and we're attacking the full field.

Dak's accuracy did go into the toilet, but more accuracy out of Dak wouldn't change the fundamentals. Teams would still be crowding Dez and Terrance with press man without help, and wouldn't be too worried about getting beat. That lets them clamp down on the box, and Beasley.
 

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I don't know which Giant CB said it in 2016 , I think it was Jenkins, "any break he can make, I can make faster". I know it's a war of words between those two but one backs his word up with actions and it ain't Dez. Play him tight, get in his head, force him to the sidelines, the ball doesn't come his way, he get's frustrated, throws up his hands "c'mon man I was open" and takes himself out of the play. Any OC that just calls plays for 88 to run go routes isn't using him right. Butler runs better go routes and actually stays with the play even when it looks busted. Dez, nah, when the play looks busted he just stops and pouts, c'mon man throw it to me
 

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When Dez has a ball go through both hands and hit him in the face, that aint the QB.

It's the combination that got exposed. If our OC and our wideouts were beating press man coverage without help *like they should*, everything changes. Defenses can no longer crowd the box, and we're attacking the full field.

Dak's accuracy did go into the toilet, but more accuracy out of Dak wouldn't change the fundamentals. Teams would still be crowding Dez and Terrance with press man without help, and wouldn't be too worried about getting beat. That lets them clamp down on the box, and Beasley.
Dez has always had few go thru his hands, that's not new. I could live with a few drops, but when the production of the entire receiving corp drops and you proclaim accuracy won't change production you lose me.
 

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"A little scared of" WR is fine and dandy for 4mil a year. Bease is a bargain. And we do need WRs who can go deep opposite him, but we didn't have that in our starters.

We would have probably been better off with Brice as our #2 this year. He was underutilized, as demonstrated by his huge yards per target. He's not great, but his size and speed make him a credible #2 threat deep. And he was only 1mil. And our only deep threat.

Our outside WRs are a very bad fit for this team. We have so many short threats, but no one to threaten deep and stretch the field, particularly with Brice all but gone. Garrett wants to run a Coryell offense, but he didn't get the deep WRs to do it.

Good observation on Brice deserving of being No. 2 last year, but he is still a JAG, as is TWill. But Brice is a bargain.
Garrett's defense, unfortunately, is run off tackle, 5-yard pass to Witten, a holding penalty, run for 3 yard, punt. Repeat. That is so unexciting and counterproductive and I am sick of it, ruffians!
 

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Dez has always had few go thru his hands, that's not new. I could live with a few drops, but when the production of the entire receiving corp drops and you proclaim accuracy won't change production you lose me.

Dez was always primarily about great body control and great hands. That's his magic. The ball through his fingers and hitting his face? That's just sad. The body control was missing there too. Everything was missing. Just sad.

You were lost because you read something I didn't write. I didn't say production wouldn't change, I said "wouldn't change the fundamentals", and elaborated what I meant by that.
 

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Good observation on Brice deserving of being No. 2 last year, but he is still a JAG, as is TWill. But Brice is a bargain.

#2 is a pretty high ceiling for a JAG. Size, speed, length, and nice hands for deep balls, and controlling them to the ground. He'd be a #2 I'd be happy with if he could be more reliable on the short stuff.

After that interview, it's probably too late, but he would have been a nice guy to keep around next year if we moved on from Dez and drafted a WR high. Some nice competition between him, TWill, and the new guy. We won 3 games in 2016 with Butler starting.
 
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