Worst franchises in sports last 2 decades - where do Cowboys rank?

CheapietheCheapskate · Jan 24, 2018

Vanilla2 said:
Commanders not on the list?

Where are the bears?

Raiders?

How far back are you going?

Bears went to the superbowl in 06. Raiders have been 2 afccg and a superbowl since 2000.

It' the last 2 decades.

IheartRomo · Jan 24, 2018

Soth said:
When did playoff wins become the main statistic to measure success?

If we had won a wild car game every year over the past 20 years, but no NFC championships, no SBs, would you all be happy? We would have 20 playoff wins!! Wow!

Only one thing matters... winning the SB, and to a lesser extent, SB appearances/conference championships.

The OP says that going 8-8 and missing the playoffs is meaningless. Well, why is winning one wild car game meaningful? Were you satisfied the year that we won a wild card game?

I get it, the cowboys are mediocre, but they are nowhere near the bottom of the NFL. We just need one SB win and nobody will care about the playoff record the last 20 years.

The NFL is not the NBA. If you get in, you have a chance of winning a few games in a row due to small sample size and luck (Giants 2011, Ravens 2012, etc).

The 8 seed in the western conference playoffs in the NBA, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance to beat the Warriors over a 7 game series. In that case, making the playoffs as an 8 seed is the worst case scenario - bad draft pick and no shot at a championship.

windward · Jan 24, 2018

Blackspider214 said:
He clearly stated. 2 decades.

Bears went to a Super Bowl in 2006.
Raiders in 2002.

Also, each of them have been to another conference championship game that they lost in that time frame. Infinitely more than we have did in the last 2 decades.

“Infinitely”

Not what that word means.

fredp22 · Jan 24, 2018

Blackspider214 said:
Exactly. No idea why people keep propping him up as some great owner. He's not anymore. Not even close. A great owner would have replaced this crappy GM. He even admitted it. He's a senile, delusional old man still living on success he had little to do with in the mid 90s.

agree-he didnt have the success- Jimmy did. without Jimmy Jerry has really done nothing. Jerry also trys to take the credit for Americas team but thats Landry.

Blackspider214 · Jan 24, 2018

fredp22 said:
agree-he didnt have the success- Jimmy did. without Jimmy Jerry has really done nothing. Jerry also trys to take the credit for Americas team but thats Landry.

Yep. He could not stand Jimmy getting the credit. And did something that was so ridiculous. He ran off Jimmy after winning back to back titles. We had enough talent that Jimmy helped get on this team that we were still good the next few years. But right after that, this franchise has been in a tailspin for over 2 decades now. It's pathetic. The Cowboys were already a worldwide brand and established when Jerry got here. It had deep history already built by Landy and Tex. Jerry did one good thing and that was hire Jimmy. That is where it ends. Jimmy took over from there. Jerry sat back initially until his inflated ego could not take it any longer.

visionary · Jan 24, 2018

DFWJC said:
So it's your own personal ranking then
ok
it's an open forum so fair enough

May I ask why you chose 20 years instead of 10, 25, 30, or 40?
Was it specifically to shine the worst light on the franchise?
Honest question

If it's a shot a Jerry, then it seems you would take his entire tenure...29 years
Same thing if it pertains to Garrett...or 7-8 years

20-22 years is very fair because that is approximately when the 90s team, which Jimmy built, was at its end

Since then

Nothing
Bubkus
Nada
Zippo

In the competent hands of Jerry and Stephen and Jason

These years of failure only serve to reinforce the fact that Jerry is incompetent and had no hand in building the 90s dynasty otherwise he would have been able to build another one in 22 years at some point

gjkoeppen · Jan 24, 2018

Sydla said:
You have a limited view of what being a “fan” is.

But that’s OK. You’ve shown limited knowledge in other discussions as well.

It's funny how someone that rips, belittles, whines about, complains about, throw temper tantrums over the Cowboys still thinks that is being a fan of the Cowboys. Somehow I think Webster and you have completely different definitions for what a fan is..
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gjkoeppen · Jan 24, 2018

visionary said:
20-22 years is very fair because that is approximately when the 90s team, which Jimmy built, was at its end

Since then

Nothing
Bubkus
Nada
Zippo

In the competent hands of Jerry and Stephen and Jason

These years of failure only serve to reinforce the fact that Jerry is incompetent and had no hand in building the 90s dynasty otherwise he would have been able to build another one in 22 years at some point

Here's what is really funny and incorrect about you statement. In front of millions and millions of people during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas there was a round table discussion with Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, The Moose, Jones and Johnson and Johnson admitted that he didn't have all the power and authority many outside of the organization thought he had. This was something that kept festering on him the entire time he was in Dallas that he had to go to Jones for approval on things he thought he should have been able to decide on his own. Prime examples are in the 1989 draft Johnson wanted to use the #1 pick on Tony Mandarich but Jones said no we'll take Aikman. Later Johnson convinced Jones to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who Johnson wanted as his QB anyways and thought he could convince Jones to then trade Aikman. Then in the 1990 draft Johnson convinced Jones to trade up from the 23rd to the 17th pick because Johnson wanted to pick Baylor LB James Francis but the bengals took hm 30 seconds after the trade was completed at 12. So then Johnson said in the war room that the Cowboys would draft LB Tony Bennett but again Jones laid down the law and said they would draft Emmitt. So left up to Johnson nieither Aikman or Emmitt would have been Cowboys and the chances of winning those 3 Super Bowls would have been slim without 2 out of the 3 triplets and HOF'ers. So for all the blame you want to put on Jones for not getting another Super Bowl, the last 3 the Cowboys got were all because of Jones.
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Sydla · Jan 24, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
It's funny how someone that rips, belittles, whines about, complains about, throw temper tantrums over the Cowboys still thinks that is being a fan of the Cowboys. Somehow I think Webster and you have completely different definitions for what a fan is..
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This is ironic considering when you first showed up you belittled and ripped people for not understanding the cap like you did and then spouted off inaccuracy after inaccuracy.

A sports fan cheers AND criticizes his team when warranted.

Pants · Jan 24, 2018

Top 5 worst? no

Top 5 most frustrated fans:

1. Dallas fans
2. Browns fans
3. Commanders fans
4. 49ers fans
5. Dallas fans that sell their tickets so that opposing teams can cheer louder than other Dallas fans at games

Sydla · Jan 24, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
Here's what is really funny and incorrect about you statement. In front of millions and millions of people during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas there was a round table discussion with Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, The Moose, Jones and Johnson and Johnson admitted that he didn't have all the power and authority many outside of the organization thought he had. This was something that kept festering on him the entire time he was in Dallas that he had to go to Jones for approval on things he thought he should have been able to decide on his own. Prime examples are in the 1989 draft Johnson wanted to use the #1 pick on Tony Mandarich but Jones said no we'll take Aikman. Later Johnson convinced Jones to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who Johnson wanted as his QB anyways and thought he could convince Jones to then trade Aikman. Then in the 1990 draft Johnson convinced Jones to trade up from the 23rd to the 17th pick because Johnson wanted to pick Baylor LB James Francis but the bengals took hm 30 seconds after the trade was completed at 12. So then Johnson said in the war room that the Cowboys would draft LB Tony Bennett but again Jones laid down the law and said they would draft Emmitt. So left up to Johnson nieither Aikman or Emmitt would have been Cowboys and the chances of winning those 3 Super Bowls would have been slim without 2 out of the 3 triplets and HOF'ers. So for all the blame you want to put on Jones for not getting another Super Bowl, the last 3 the Cowboys got were all because of Jones.
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Blah blah blah.

They haven’t done anything in 21 years, all under the specific and complete control of Jerry.

You are so naive (or ignorant, maybe both).

trickamsterdam · Jan 24, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
Here's what is really funny and incorrect about you statement. In front of millions and millions of people during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas there was a round table discussion with Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, The Moose, Jones and Johnson and Johnson admitted that he didn't have all the power and authority many outside of the organization thought he had. This was something that kept festering on him the entire time he was in Dallas that he had to go to Jones for approval on things he thought he should have been able to decide on his own. Prime examples are in the 1989 draft Johnson wanted to use the #1 pick on Tony Mandarich but Jones said no we'll take Aikman. Later Johnson convinced Jones to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who Johnson wanted as his QB anyways and thought he could convince Jones to then trade Aikman. Then in the 1990 draft Johnson convinced Jones to trade up from the 23rd to the 17th pick because Johnson wanted to pick Baylor LB James Francis but the bengals took hm 30 seconds after the trade was completed at 12. So then Johnson said in the war room that the Cowboys would draft LB Tony Bennett but again Jones laid down the law and said they would draft Emmitt. So left up to Johnson nieither Aikman or Emmitt would have been Cowboys and the chances of winning those 3 Super Bowls would have been slim without 2 out of the 3 triplets and HOF'ers. So for all the blame you want to put on Jones for not getting another Super Bowl, the last 3 the Cowboys got were all because of Jones.
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If what you're saying is true, it doesn't surprise me because I've always thought Jones had a decent eye for talent.

But he is lousy at hiring coaches, there are no checks and balances, and now he is (IMO) too old and tired to properly do the job of a modern GM.

northerncowboynation · Jan 24, 2018

Vanilla2 said:
Commanders not on the list?

Where are the bears?

Raiders?

How far back are you going?

I think he made it up lol. Yeah left out a few teams. He totally missed out with the Indians in Baseball and the Maple Leafs. But he did go down the road of "all sports franchises". Silly OP

Irvin88_4life · Jan 24, 2018

IheartRomo said:
Good question. I should have stated more explicitly in the OP but I'm 28 years old. The first seasons I recall watching are 1996/1997. First SB I remember seeing is the pats/packers in January 1997.

So for me, any success prior to those dates, is ancient history. I'm not saying it's any more or less relevant to others, but for me personally, 1996 is the starting point of any Cowboys memory.

That's sad. I remember winning Superbowls, it was glorious. I also remember the bad times, 1-15 season for example.

acr731 · Jan 24, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
It's funny how someone that rips, belittles, whines about, complains about, throw temper tantrums over the Cowboys still thinks that is being a fan of the Cowboys. Somehow I think Webster and you have completely different definitions for what a fan is..
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So being upset about the lack of results for 22 years makes someone 'not a fan'. Got it!

I've been a fan of the team since the mid 1970's, I've continued following through the good and the bad, and I'm still here after Jerry has turned the franchise into a flippin' joke after 22 years of nothing. It ticks me off...... but I guess I should get over it because being that way makes me 'not a fan'.

Crap, apparently I've totally wasted over 40 years.

Cebrin · Jan 24, 2018

I'm as tired of the parody as any, but there are plenty of teams in the NFL who have been around longer with far less to show for it. As dusty as our trophys and superbowl days are, there aren't many in 20 years doing much to catch up.

visionary · Jan 24, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
Here's what is really funny and incorrect about you statement. In front of millions and millions of people during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas there was a round table discussion with Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, The Moose, Jones and Johnson and Johnson admitted that he didn't have all the power and authority many outside of the organization thought he had. This was something that kept festering on him the entire time he was in Dallas that he had to go to Jones for approval on things he thought he should have been able to decide on his own. Prime examples are in the 1989 draft Johnson wanted to use the #1 pick on Tony Mandarich but Jones said no we'll take Aikman. Later Johnson convinced Jones to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft who Johnson wanted as his QB anyways and thought he could convince Jones to then trade Aikman. Then in the 1990 draft Johnson convinced Jones to trade up from the 23rd to the 17th pick because Johnson wanted to pick Baylor LB James Francis but the bengals took hm 30 seconds after the trade was completed at 12. So then Johnson said in the war room that the Cowboys would draft LB Tony Bennett but again Jones laid down the law and said they would draft Emmitt. So left up to Johnson nieither Aikman or Emmitt would have been Cowboys and the chances of winning those 3 Super Bowls would have been slim without 2 out of the 3 triplets and HOF'ers. So for all the blame you want to put on Jones for not getting another Super Bowl, the last 3 the Cowboys got were all because of Jones.
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Jones has had plenty of time and control to get the credit but he has failed miserably

Problem is he is s horrific GM who is only and only interested in making money.

Jones is the primary reason the cowboys have been mediocre for over 20 years and no amount to whining or excuse making from Jerry apologists will change that fact

visionary · Jan 24, 2018

trickamsterdam said:
If what you're saying is true, it doesn't surprise me because I've always thought Jones had a decent eye for talent.

But he is lousy at hiring coaches, there are no checks and balances, and now he is (IMO) too old and tired to properly do the job of a modern GM.

The only talent this idiot has an eye for is 24, blond and not playing football

acr731 · Jan 24, 2018

visionary said:
The only talent this idiot has an eye for is 24, blond and not playing football

Swinging on a pole takes some talent, especially when you're doing it naked. I wonder if Jerry has his own donkey show on the party bus.

atlantacowboy · Jan 24, 2018

GenoT said:
Absolutely not.

I was simply responding to the OP’s query by explaining we are nowhere near being among the “worst franchises in sports.”

Maybe you don’t go back to the beginning/expansion team years (or even the end of the Landry era)? Otherwise, you might have a better reference to what a truly bad team we can be.

Been a fan since 1976. I've seen the good and the bad. The end of the Landry era was due almost entirely to the unexpected injury demise of Danny White. I remember that time very well. Landry had no heir to White in place, and you couldn't just go out and sign one in those days before FA...........Adding 2 QBs (Aikman and Walsh) was the first thing Jimmy Johnson did when he took over.

Clearly, the op-ed was referring to success on the field and not popularity or wealth of the franchise. That stuff is gold..........if you own the team. I don't and neither do you. So, what do you care if the team is worth 5 Billion and has high TV ratings? Why would you care one way or another? As a fan, all I care about is winning.

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