Would Garrett Have Kicked FG Before Half?

foofighters · Feb 6, 2018

mahoneybill said:
Know he would and 99 % of the other coaches. Pederson was going down swinging if it came to that.... Those missed FG's and Brady pass , missed open field tackle on third down did the Pats in. Meanwhile Philly had one fluke interception.

Has to be a record to have a SB with 1 punt total in the whole game

I am no fan of JG. However, this is just plain comical. You all are quite comical. If Pederson fails, you and the media are all over him about that play and a few others. If JG called that play and it failed, you'd all be over him. The issue isn't the trick plays. Any coach can call them and yes, even JG has. His issue isn't in not calling plays like these it's actually having the game-time awareness to call the right play. Against the Patriots, Pederson fails 7 out of 10 games calling it like he did, which worked out well considering it was the Super Bowl. The real test for Pederson will be the next 5 years. That's when we can truly bring out the anointing oil.

dogberry · Feb 6, 2018

Someone on the Zone who can count to seven noticed that the Iggles had

six on the line.

ilykdrama · Feb 6, 2018

I've never been more sure of anything in my life.

Yes.

links18 · Feb 6, 2018

Kicking the FG was probably the statistically correct thing to do.

Idgit · Feb 6, 2018

windward said:
There’s a tremendous around of groupthink going around here.

“If you think x, then you obviously are clueless.”
Nah, it ain’t that simple.

When emotions run high, that pressure to all agree definitely gets stronger.

It's weird for some of these topics where there's actual data out there to look at, it gets consistently ignored in favor of reinforcing popular opinion. I mean, the stuff I posted about how often the teams in question here go for it, and how successful they have been over the last couple of seasons---that's not the be-all and end-all of the discussion. There are lots of different ways to pick apart and interpret that stuff. But it's weird that nobody bothers and instead you just get more posters piling on with the same one-liners that show they're really more interested in fitting in than in giving a thoughtful answer to the question.

boyzjunkie · Feb 6, 2018

The important question is not if Red would have kicked. The real question is would he have had such an innovative play at his disposal ready to be called in just such a situation. That is the hallmark of well prepared, competent head coach with the guts to trust his guys in a momentous situation.

Aviano90 · Feb 6, 2018

Leading by 3, the Eagles had a 1st & Goal from the 8 yard line with over a minute remaining in the first half due to the running clock and all 3 timeouts. My guess is the following would have occurred:

Dallas would have immediately called timeout following the 55 yard gain, which would have left around ~1:20 remaining in 1st half.
Dallas would have dropped back to pass on 3 consecutive plays and either scored a touchdown or stopped the clock with incomplete passes settling for a FG.
Dallas would either be up 10 with a touchdown OR 6 with a FG and NE would have a minute remaining with all 3 of their timeouts to answer the Cowboys score, which they probably would have done.
Instead of being up 6 or 10 points, the Cowboys would enter halftime down 1, up 7, or up 3.

Based upon play calling and clock management issues in the past, that I what I believe would have most likely occurred at the end of the first half.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 6, 2018

Beast_from_East said:
We all know the EPIC fourth down pass to Foles right before half was the play of the game, but I am curious as to how many on this board think Garrett would have sent out the FG unit instead.

Serious question................I am 99.9% positive Garrett would have kicked the FG based on his past history

yes he would have. no two ways about it. he had the lead and was going to extend it by 3 points.

with that said, that was a gutsy call. but if it failed everyone would be talking about it as a stupid call and you should take the 3 points. that's the funny thing, when it works, you are brilliant. when it doesn't you are to be fired. there have been many times when 4th down attempts have failed.

stilltheguru88 · Feb 6, 2018

nightrain said:
The point being, of course Garrett would have kicked the FG. You would have kicked your television set if Garrett opted to go for it.

No I wouldn’t have. Especially if he called a brilliant play and it just didn’t work. Y’all just like to absolve that piece of garbage

stilltheguru88 · Feb 6, 2018

Idgit said:
When emotions run high, that pressure to all agree definitely gets stronger.

It's weird for some of these topics where there's actual data out there to look at, it gets consistently ignored in favor of reinforcing popular opinion. I mean, the stuff I posted about how often the teams in question here go for it, and how successful they have been over the last couple of seasons---that's not the be-all and end-all of the discussion. There are lots of different ways to pick apart and interpret that stuff. But it's weird that nobody bothers and instead you just get more posters piling on with the same one-liners that show they're really more interested in fitting in than in giving a thoughtful answer to the question.

When he gets fired after next year, go with him.

conner01 · Feb 6, 2018

nightrain said:
I think the only other HC in the NFL to go for the TD in that moment would have been Tomlin (maybe).

The best odds were kick
Gambling is fun but can be costly

mahoneybill · Feb 6, 2018

foofighters said:
I am no fan of JG. However, this is just plain comical. You all are quite comical. If Pederson fails, you and the media are all over him about that play and a few others. If JG called that play and it failed, you'd all be over him. The issue isn't the trick plays. Any coach can call them and yes, even JG has. His issue isn't in not calling plays like these it's actually having the game-time awareness to call the right play. Against the Patriots, Pederson fails 7 out of 10 games calling it like he did, which worked out well considering it was the Super Bowl. The real test for Pederson will be the next 5 years. That's when we can truly bring out the anointing oil.

Appreciate your take and agree that time will tell . I'm not anointing Pederson, just appreciating his go for it determination. I think those who are raising the question are simply observing this game, this time, and what a coach was willing to chance.

Pats called their own version, not goal line and it didn't work, but certainly looked to be at least a first down...

ScipioCowboy · Feb 6, 2018

In fairness, most coaches would.

TexasHillbilly · Feb 6, 2018

exciter said:
Yes and so would have every other coach in the league!

Like

Proof · Feb 6, 2018

Idgit said:
Here's the numbers for both teams for the last two seasons:

DAL
2017
19 attempts (8th)
52.6% (10th)

2016
9 attempts (29th)
88.9% (1st)

My guess is we were very good at 4th and very short in 2016, and limited the situations where we'd risk it. We weren't as good this year, and were probably in more convert-or-go-home situations that were lower percentage. That would account for the conversion rate drop off and the attempts increase.

PHI
2017
26 attempts (2nd)
65.4% (3rd)

2016
27 attempts (1st)
48.1% (17th)

And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Pederson's staff was pretty consistent about going for it more often because that's what the percentages say to do, and they were better at it this year because they had a better team in general. Which explains why the coaching decisions are about the same but the production is better.

These are obviously just my guesses, though.

Good stuff.

I also honestly feel like he was more comfortable forcing the patriots to go 99 yards against his D before the half and getting the ball back if the play didn't work, than he was kicking the field goal and kicking off. Converting just makes it moot. It was ballsy in that everyone would second guess, but seems like the 'right' call.

Kevinicus · Feb 6, 2018

Idgit said:
We were top 10 in attempts last season, but nobody cares. It's kind of awesome in a way, and kind of depressing how, when a group wants consensus, it'll try to bully one if it can't get one rationally.

It reminds me of a thread we had a couple years back when everybody was slamming the staff for it's challenge success rate, thinking we were one of the worst teams in the league at getting challenges right, when it turned out we were actually the best in the league at it, and I pointed that out only to get another two pages of people complaining about our challenge success rate.

It's not being aggressive when you're losing in the 4th quarter and have to go for it.

Proof · Feb 6, 2018

Kevinicus said:
It's not being aggressive when you're losing in the 4th quarter and have to go for it.

this was my immediate reaction too. would need to see the data.

Idgit · Feb 6, 2018

Kevinicus said:
It's not being aggressive when you're losing in the 4th quarter and have to go for it.

Yeah, I looked for a way to break out the attempt data better for all teams, but it wasn't readily available. But if you're a 9-7 team and in the upper quartile for attempts, that does at least give you an idea about where you probably rank relative to everybody else.

Idgit · Feb 6, 2018

Proof said:
Good stuff.

I also honestly feel like he was more comfortable forcing the patriots to go 99 yards against his D before the half and getting the ball back if the play didn't work, than he was kicking the field goal and kicking off. Converting just makes it moot. It was ballsy in that everyone would second guess, but seems like the 'right' call.

Yeah, definitely the right call. Even if you're a guy who'd normally kick the fg there, playing the Pats in the Superbowl you pretty much have to go for it.

Pederson has stats guys on the line that he consults for stuff like this, and he makes a point of playing the percentages, which is smart. When he came in last year there were a couple of stories about him and his 4th down tendencies.

Beast_from_East · Feb 6, 2018

waving monkey said:
I would have taken the field goal. It's the percentages. Nothing wrong with that.
If Red had called the gutsy play we're talkin about and failed you guys would be
hammering him like crazy.
It was beautiful call on Pederson part but let's be real here. I've read countless critques
here about" taken the points" [field goal]. It's a mantra

You don't beat the Pats kicking FGs..............Pederson realized that and acted accordingly.

Its like Troy Aikman said one time, all kicking FGs do is increases your chances of losing

But we will never know little monkey because the only way Garrett is every going to the SB is if he buys a ticket on Ebay.

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