Fleming deal = Lae'l staying put at RT?

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So they signed him as backup for Tyron Smith?
I don’t know, but was saying that either way, he will get a lot of time to play. The Jones may see him as a full time RT and want to move Collins, but Cam gives them so much flexibility.
 

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I don’t see many good tackle prospects in the draft this year that you wouldn’t have to take early
It’s much easier to draft a guard than tackle and they are easier to cover their mistakes
Collins is the future at tackle, why move him and set him back in his development
Agreed. I think it is more likely we rent Fleming for swing tackle, leave Collins as starting RT, and pick up a starting guard in the draft. I am all for burning a high draft pick for a mauler guard if we can shore up the line for a few years.
 

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Given that Fleming signed only a 1-year deal, and we signed 2 guards, I think it is more likely that Collins is staying put at RT and Fleming is just swing T. Not sure we'd "upset the apple cart" for a guy we just signed for 1 year, and then have to revisit the whole OL structure again if he leaves in free agency next year.

Honestly, I think a lot will depend on the draft. If we draft an OT in first two rounds, then maybe Collins moves to LG, Fleming starts for a year at RT, and draftee takes over at RT in 2019... If we draft a G in first two rounds (or don't draft any OL in first two rounds), Collins stays put at RT, Looney/Martin/draftee battle for starting LG, and Fleming is swing T. Thoughts?
I wish that I would have saved the link that I found. Stephen Jones has told reporters that Collins is and will be the starting right tackle. They have no plans st all to move him back to guard. If I find the link again, I will post it.
 

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With WR set, the offense needs an upgrade at TE and Guard. Draft the best available guard with the first pick if there is value there and we seem to draft OL early on good. Then look at a possible upgrade with the 2nd or 3rd round pick for TE. Everything else can go D.
 

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Bad idea
Fleming signed a one year deal so he’s not the future there
Collins grew into the job very well last year
Guards are much easier to find and protect that tackles
Just draft a guard in the top 3 rnds
You can’t have every position played by players on second contracts
Not if you are planning to draft an OT with the first pick.
 

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I wish that I would have saved the link that I found. Stephen Jones has told reporters that Collins is and will be the starting right tackle. They have no plans st all to move him back to guard. If I find the link again, I will post it.

And there's another tweet posted in the thread about Fleming where Stephen said they've talked to Collins about the possibility of moving to guard. I think all options are on the table at this point.
 

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The 1 isn’t the part that tells me Flemming isn’t a starter. It’s the fact that his contract is guaranteed for less than 3.5M. The entire NFL apparently doesn’t think this kid is a starter. I wish NFL game tape was more accessible so I could make my own decision, but I’ll use the context clues and say Flemming probably isn’t a starting RT.

Not that there’s anything wrong with paying him 3.5M to be the swing tackle, I’m perfectly fine with that. Just means we still have a hole (LG) to fill.
 

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Just let everyone fight it out

Tired of trying to dictate jobs before the first practice
But not at the expense of trying to gain expertise in your position.
If guys were fighting, willy-nilly, changing positions the whole way, where is the chance to perfect your craft?

I am of the opinion to keep Collins at one darn position and let him get the experience, technique and time to excel there. Just let him keep getting better and better at RT.
Quit bumping him around! LG is a less important role and we're already paying him RT money. Good RT money.
Let Fleming be the swing. Keep finding solutions at LG and let's let this OL gel!

Carry on.
 

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It would be just like this team to move Lael collins to RT, pay him like an elite RT, have him practice there for a whole year, and then move him to LG one year into it.

It's not about an individual, it's about getting the best group on the field, so if that's with Collins at OG or OT I don't care.
 

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Bad idea
Fleming signed a one year deal so he’s not the future there
Collins grew into the job very well last year
Guards are much easier to find and protect that tackles
Just draft a guard in the top 3 rnds
You can’t have every position played by players on second contracts

See exactly what you are saying and seem simply. But sounds like FO ( OL coach?) have spotted an RT prospect he wants real bad but he's not carrying day-one starter grade. For example, suppose their scouts have found the perfect replacement Tyron Smith but he can also play RT, carrying a day-2 grade. Not saying this is what's going but SOMETHING cause them to reset their thinking RT being Collin's home. Doubt it's has anything to do with his play.
 

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See exactly what you are saying and seem simply. But sounds like FO ( OL coach?) have spotted an RT prospect he wants real bad but he's not carrying day-one starter grade. For example, suppose their scouts have found the perfect replacement Tyron Smith but he can also play RT, carrying a day-2 grade. Not saying this is what's going but SOMETHING cause them to reset their thinking RT being Collin's home. Doubt it's has anything to do with his play.
My guess is they think Fleming can be a solid starter
And he may be but it’s short term
Maybe they do see a future tackle in the later rnds of the draft they think can step right in next year
But I don’t see this guy, but I do see some day 2 guards and that’s seems to be an easier position to fix. There will be starting quality guards on day 2 for sure. I’m no scout but I don’t see much at tackle that will be there at 50
Tackles are very coveted, and it’s a harder position requiring much better skill set that guard
But they may have a plan who knows
 

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Not if you are planning to draft an OT with the first pick.
That is an option
But the quality of player at guard at 19 is gonna most likely be much better than the quality at tackle it appears to me
If you want to go oline at 19 seems guard would be a better way to go because the talent will most likely be much better
 

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Fleming isn't gonna come here to just be a swing tackle...he's been told he will start. You don't take a demotion. I
 

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I sure hope he is the swing tackle. Maybe I don't understand football but for being a first year NFL tackle, facing elite competition week after week, and being hurt, I thought La'el played pretty damn good at RT

The best thing for this team would be for out new tackle to play so well that we have the ability to move Collins back to guard.
 

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But not at the expense of trying to gain expertise in your position.
If guys were fighting, willy-nilly, changing positions the whole way, where is the chance to perfect your craft?

I am of the opinion to keep Collins at one darn position and let him get the experience, technique and time to excel there. Just let him keep getting better and better at RT.
Quit bumping him around! LG is a less important role and we're already paying him RT money. Good RT money.
Let Fleming be the swing. Keep finding solutions at LG and let's let this OL gel!

Carry on.
Just sayin that everyone carrying on in March about starters and roles before one practice is silly

I don't like moving guys around but if someone can beat out LCollins at RT have at it

I don't think LG is job worth sweating over but may the best man win
 

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But not at the expense of trying to gain expertise in your position.
If guys were fighting, willy-nilly, changing positions the whole way, where is the chance to perfect your craft?

I am of the opinion to keep Collins at one darn position and let him get the experience, technique and time to excel there. Just let him keep getting better and better at RT.
Quit bumping him around! LG is a less important role and we're already paying him RT money. Good RT money.
Let Fleming be the swing. Keep finding solutions at LG and let's let this OL gel!

Carry on.
That is one solid football post. Thanks Mrs Corso. Can Mr Corso come out and play?
 
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