Rams attempting to trade for Beckham

Jerryrage · Mar 27, 2018

JW82 said:
All that talent, and they will have 100 mil under that cap after this season. Apparently they have a slightly better "process"

More like a GM who doesn't hang out in the bahamas during FA.

kento40 · Mar 27, 2018

But, But, But Beckham and Suh aren't RKG's....... Hilarious. Don't worry Prince Rosycheeks III will be our new DT. We won't care when he doesn't produce, because he will be Walter Payton man of the year for donating canned goods.

Sydla · Mar 27, 2018

Idgit said:
They gave up picks to get both DBs ang gave Suh $14MM. It wasn’t free.

And I don’t buy they had a better team to start with.

You don’t buy they were better?

Sydla · Mar 27, 2018

Toruk_Makto said:
Yes it's called not being competitive for a decade, not drafting well for most of that time so you don't have a ton of talent you've resigned and then finally hitting on a qb and coach combo that works.

Fun process.

True but it’s not much worse than a process that has resulted in two playoff appearances in a decade.

So who are we to criticize how anyone runs their team?

Proof · Mar 27, 2018

hornitosmonster said:
No one had them in check but we won despite the distractions. You should read the book on the 90's Cowboys.

Yeah that was my point lol.

If you’re talking about ‘boys will be boys’ it’s great.

Sydla · Mar 27, 2018

Toruk_Makto said:
There is a difference between not winning a superbowl and not being competitive for 23 years.

But you knew that and wanted to complain anyways.

Depends on what you define as competitive.

Spitting out 8 win seasons isn’t competitive. Making the playoffs three times in two decades isn’t competitive. At least to me.

Deep_Freeze · Mar 27, 2018

Well if I'm Zeke, I don't feel like running into that alot.

BTW I'm talking playoffs. I know its foreign.

Stash · Mar 27, 2018

rocyaice said:
Lost their best cornerback in Trumaine Johnson too. I don't understand their approach.

Did you miss the part where they got Peters and Talib?

Proof · Mar 27, 2018

Ren said:
They've been in the NFC basement for the better part of a decade, one good season and suddenly they're a well run franchise?

They’re certainly on the upswing, but people gotta chill with the knee jerk over then and Jax. These are teams that had losing records ever season since early 2000s. The Rams are especially egregious due the rg3 windfall. Eventually that run of top 5 picks and your whole teams core being on rookie deals has to catch up. Think the Browns will have a similar turn around as well. Not excusing Dallas by any means, just pointing it out

Stash · Mar 27, 2018

I choose to give the Rams credit for seeing a window of opportunity and aggressively going for it. Their recent changes took them from worst scoring offense to top scoring offense. And now they're working on improving their defense with proven stars.

And if they managed to swap out Beckham for Sammy Watkins? That offense could go to an even higher level.

Add them to the growing list of teams passing the Cowboys by while we carefully bide our time and try to "hold things together" in this neverending process.

Not a fun prospect, but not something I'm going to foolishly deny either, or make up nonsense to try to cut them down.

dfense · Mar 27, 2018

JW82 said:
All that talent, and they will have 100 mil under that cap after this season. Apparently they have a slightly better "process"

It's called sucking bad for a couple years in a row. It will come back on them financially in a year or two.

Proof · Mar 27, 2018

stasheroo said:
I choose to give the Rams credit for seeing a window of opportunity and aggressively going for it. Their recent changes took them from worst scoring offense to top scoring offense. And now they're working on improving their defense with proven stars.

And if they managed to swap out Beckham for Sammy Watkins? That offense could go to an even higher level.

Add them to the growing list of teams passing the Cowboys by while we carefully bide our time and try to "hold things together" in this neverending process.

Not a fun prospect, but not something I'm going to foolishly deny either, or make up nonsense to try to cut them down.

Not sure if that was a general thought or response to me directly, but I agree. I love what the Rams are doing and now is the time to do it.
My biggest complaint about the Cowboys approach is that not just the usual inactivity, but mostly that they don’t take advantage of windows. When we have some success they seem to believe it will organically sustain instead of insuring it does. 12-4? Let the opoy walk. 13-3? By entire secondary and Leary.

Also drafting zeke looking like they want to win now with Romo and backdooring it with a guy who’s going to be on the shelf 18 months with a high second. It’s weird.

They also try things once and if it doesn’t pan out, go cold turkey immediately. If we traded a 2nd for Watkins and he left the following year, they would take ten years before making another trade.

So yeah, good on ya Rams, just not ready to anoint their approach yet, as it’s a byproduct of being terrible so long.

sideon · Mar 27, 2018

dckid said:
The Rams are all in to win. Our ownership is inept they don’t know how to strike when Dak is making peanuts.
Goff is not even as good as Dak. Go watch the tape. They gave him all playaction simple reads along with a great running game. But they have built a great defense around him.

Let’s leave at the Bears.. all the moves they have made coincid with Trubisky being on his rookie deal. All the guys they signed this year have effectively two year deals.

And what complex scheme was Dak running? :laugh:

Stash · Mar 27, 2018

Proof said:
Not sure if that was a general thought or response to me directly, but I agree. I love what the Rams are doing and now is the time to do it.

Just a general statement. Indicative of a pattern where some fans find it impossible to give other teams credit

My biggest complaint about the Cowboys approach is that not just the usual inactivity, but mostly that they don’t take advantage of windows. When we have some success they seem to believe it will organically sustain instead of insuring it does. 12-4? Let the opoy walk. 13-3? By entire secondary and Leary.

Also drafting zeke looking like they want to win now with Romo and backdooring it with a guy who’s going to be on the shelf 18 months with a high second. It’s weird.

A complete contradiction. No rhyme or reason to it. What about the fact that a team with this investment in the running game gets pass-happy every chance they get?

They misalign players and coaches on a constant basis. No sooner do they invest huge into two man corners in Carr and Claiborne, but they then decide to fire Ryan, scrap his system, and go to a Tampa-2 scheme? But yeah, lets then blame those players because they're not zone corners?

They also try things once and if it doesn’t pan out, go cold turkey immediately. If we traded a 2nd for Watkins and he left the following year, they would take ten years before making another trade.

So yeah, good on ya Rams, just not ready to anoint their approach yet, as it’s a byproduct of being terrible so long.

As I recall, these "terrible" Rams last won a championship in 2000. When was the Cowboys last title?

It seems that the fans in such a rush to cut them down don't know their history.

jnday · Mar 27, 2018

stasheroo said:
I choose to give the Rams credit for seeing a window of opportunity and aggressively going for it. Their recent changes took them from worst scoring offense to top scoring offense. And now they're working on improving their defense with proven stars.

And if they managed to swap out Beckham for Sammy Watkins? That offense could go to an even higher level.

Add them to the growing list of teams passing the Cowboys by while we carefully bide our time and try to "hold things together" in this neverending process.

Not a fun prospect, but not something I'm going to foolishly deny either, or make up nonsense to try to cut them down.

The mentality of Jerry has always been that they are only a player or two away from winning a Super Bowl. This has been made worse with a couple of seasons with a good record. Jerry sees the 13-3 record and assumes that it was just bad luck for being the reason that the team came up short. They will have a good record which is followed by an 8-8 season due to the lack of attempts made to improve in the following offseason. It has is a vicious cycle that is repeated over and over.

John813 · Mar 27, 2018

I could see the Rams giving OBJ close to 20mil. Maybe load up all his bonuses/guaranteed money in the next couple of years while Goff is making "cheap" money for a QB. Then when it comes to his 5th year option/extension they could consider cutting OBJ, if needed, if he becomes a distraction or not worth his cap hit.

Good way to win over some fans in LA too. Team surprised a lot last year, good way to build up a bigger fan base/convert locals.

Stash · Mar 27, 2018

jnday said:
The mentality of Jerry has always been that they are only a player or two away from winning a Super Bowl. This has been made worse with a couple of seasons with a good record. Jerry sees the 13-3 record and assumes that it was just bad luck for being the reason that the team came up short. They will have a good record which is followed by an 8-8 season due to the lack of attempts made to improve in the following offseason. It has is a vicious cycle that is repeated over and over.

Especially with this coach.

His greatest ability is self preservation. Combined with the ownership's vested interest and overreaching want for him - and therefore their plan - to succeed doesn't help. Few, if any owners make the excuses for the head coaches faults and failings the way the Joneses do, only Mike Brown comes close.

And meanwhile, player after player, coach after coach, and scheme after scheme are changed out and little changes. Even the rare playoff appearances are short lived.

LittleD · Mar 27, 2018

Proof said:
Not sure if that was a general thought or response to me directly, but I agree. I love what the Rams are doing and now is the time to do it.
My biggest complaint about the Cowboys approach is that not just the usual inactivity, but mostly that they don’t take advantage of windows. When we have some success they seem to believe it will organically sustain instead of insuring it does. 12-4? Let the opoy walk. 13-3? By entire secondary and Leary.

Also drafting zeke looking like they want to win now with Romo and backdooring it with a guy who’s going to be on the shelf 18 months with a high second. It’s weird.

They also try things once and if it doesn’t pan out, go cold turkey immediately. If we traded a 2nd for Watkins and he left the following year, they would take ten years before making another trade.

So yeah, good on ya Rams, just not ready to anoint their approach yet, as it’s a byproduct of being terrible so long.

Just remember that Talib and Suh were let go by their current teams cause they weren't getting the job done for the money they
were getting paid. If you look at what the Giants spent in FA in the year before and their record at the end of the year, I'm not sure
the money was well spent. The Rams may find themselves in the same boat as the Giants.

Proof · Mar 27, 2018

stasheroo said:
Just a general statement. Indicative of a pattern where some fans find it impossible to give other teams credit

A complete contradiction. No rhyme or reason to it. What about the fact that a team with this investment in the running game gets pass-happy every chance they get?

They misalign players and coaches on a constant basis. No sooner do they invest huge into two man corners in Carr and Claiborne, but they then decide to fire Ryan, scrap his system, and go to a Tampa-2 scheme? But yeah, lets then blame those players because they're not zone corners?

As I recall, these "terrible" Rams last won a championship in 2000. When was the Cowboys last title?

It seems that the fans in such a rush to cut them down don't know their history.

lol well yes, the Rams won a title more recently than the Cowboys, but that was a lifetime ago. And it would really only hold up if I were lauding our team, which I'm not. Again I like what the Rams are doing, they are just in position to do it right now because they've had such a long run of drafting in the top ten, and not really having much homegrown talent to secure. I believe that with the owner they have, the coach they have, the talent they have etc that they will likely sustain and build and will be a team to envy moving forward. Not under cutting them, it's just a little easier to make drastic turnarounds and wholesale changes under the circumstances they were.

Proof · Mar 27, 2018

LittleD said:
Just remember that Talib and Suh were let go by their current teams cause they weren't getting the job done for the money they
were getting paid. If you look at what the Giants spent in FA in the year before and their record at the end of the year, I'm not sure
the money was well spent. The Rams may find themselves in the same boat as the Giants.

Ehh... Suh just made too much money period. On a team going nowhere. It just wasn't prudent to have those resources tied up when the team as a whole didn't have a bright future. On a one year deal on a young team loaded with talent? yeah makes sense. Their situation isn't really comparable to the Giants, honestly they traded for Peters with two more years of a rookie contract, got Suh on a one year deal, and Talib wasn't overly expensive, and they shed salary by trading ogletree and avoided overpaying for trumaine and watkins. Their qb is young, their feature back is young etc. Giants spent 150 million on Vernon and Jenkins when their qb was in clear decline, no running game, and the worst line in the league. Not really the same thing.

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