Is Zack Martin’s agent playing serious hardball?

cern · Mar 29, 2018

it is the purview of the agent to get his client as much as possible. and the more stars a team has, the more it will have to pay to keep all of them. ergo, sometimes some have to be let go. wise gm's put the offer in front of the agent. if he says it isn't enough, they then try to trade said player in the hope of getting something in return. just life in the nfl today.

gjkoeppen · Mar 29, 2018

BlindFaith said:
What do you mean when? Collins is the third highest paid RT in the league right now.

Collins for 2017 has a salary of 1mil and you think that's 3rd highest for RT? Ill bet you looked at https://overthecap.com/position/right-tackle/ and saw Cowboys at 3rd. Now I took a couple of RT's and actually looked at their contracts like Jermey Parnell who on that over the cap list was ranked 10th but his actual 2017 base salary was 6.5 mil yet he was lower than Collins.
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cern · Mar 29, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
Collins for 2018 has a salary of 4.35 mil and you think that's 3rd highest for RT?
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perhaps it is more correct/appropriate to list his cap hit for the year. that takes into account the salary plus any pro-rated signing bonuses, etc. dez, for instance will have a salary of 12.5 million, but an additional 4 million from signing bonuses and counts 16.5 against the cap this year and next.

BlindFaith · Mar 29, 2018

gjkoeppen said:
Collins for 2018 has a salary of 4.35 mil and you think that's 3rd highest for RT?
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He signed a two year 15 mill year contract. Do the math.

He has a 5.8 mill cap hit and 7 mill in dead money for 2018.

Don't cherry pick a manipulated number for your basis.

cowboyblue22 · Mar 29, 2018

I wonder if the cowboys will resign him they should I guess but at some point you have to figure out who you are going to of course the qb will have to earn his in the next two years and as far as I am concerned when zeke first contract is up I would let him walk with the salary cap you cant pay them all that's one reason hitchens left this year

John813 · Mar 29, 2018

BlindFaith said:
He signed a two year 15 mill year contract. Do the math.

He has a 5.8 mill cap hit and 7 mill in dead money for 2018.

Don't cherry pick a manipulated number for your basis.

5.8 this year, which is 13th( or 12 since they list two RTs for Denver) in the league for a Right Tackle in 2018.
In 2019, his cap hit is set to be 5th(7.9mil), ignoring any deals that occur in FA next year.
https://overthecap.com/position/right-tackle/2018

BlindFaith · Mar 29, 2018

cern said:
perhaps it is more correct/appropriate to list his cap hit for the year. that takes into account the salary plus any pro-rated signing bonuses, etc. dez, for instance will have a salary of 12.5 million, but an additional 4 million from signing bonuses and counts 16.5 against the cap this year and next.

And dead money. Dead money is the cost of the guaranteed portion. These guys never want to look at dead money. They cherry pick a "salary" number for a given year.

You look at average contract value over the life of the contract. Then determine the guarantees. That is what they value the player at.

Now, depending on how much the guarantees are and how the contract is structured and how/if it's been restructured, you can then decide if their cap hit is worth it down the road. But that is completely different than determining the price you negotiated to retain a player. And that negotiated price, ie average contract value, is what should be used to compare that players value VS other players value.

BlindFaith · Mar 29, 2018

John813 said:
5.8 this year, which is 13th( or 12 since they list two RTs for Denver) in the league for a Right Tackle in 2018.
In 2019, his cap hit is set to be 5th(7.9mil), ignoring any deals that occur in FA next year.
https://overthecap.com/position/right-tackle/2018

Use whatever you want. I don't really care.

Comparing cap hits is idiotic.

10 mill a year player could have a cap hit his first year of 3mill. That doesn't magically make him a three year a mill player. It just means he is only counting 3mill against the cap for THAT YEAR. Just like it doesn't make him 15 mill a year player in later years when the bill comes due.

So comparing cap hits for players only gives you what the cap bill is for that given year. Not what the total contract picture is.

Sorry if this is too advanced for y'all.

ksg811 · Mar 29, 2018

BlindFaith said:
He signed a two year 15 mill year contract. Do the math.

He has a 5.8 mill cap hit and 7 mill in dead money for 2018.

Don't cherry pick a manipulated number for your basis.

He actually signed a 2 year extension, which is added to the remainder of the existing contract. The contract is officially 3 years at just over $16 million. That would give him an average salary of $5.3 million, or 18th highest at RT.

Bullflop · Mar 29, 2018

Verdict said:
That is a more likely scenario than most would suspect. Guard MAY be a really high priority in this draft.

I would agree that's very possible. The Dallas FO could easily be going forward with the idea that drafting a premium quality guard could serve as a wedge against Martin and his agent getting too greedy in their demands. Not saying for sure that's necessarily the case, although it's food for thought.

Verdict · Mar 29, 2018

Bullflop said:
Very possible. The Dallas FO could easily be going forward with the idea that drafting a premium quality guard could serve as a wedge against Martin and his agent getting too greedy in their demands. Not saying that's necessarily the case, although it's food for thought.

Well nothing will put pressure on Martin. He is ina different situation than Dez who doesn't have much leverage and who is watching money dry up before his eyes. Martin's only real issue is what percentage of the cap is just too damn much to allocate to the guard position.

But the team certainly has a better ability to move on from Martin if we have an acceptable substitute in place for him. But even if you don't have an acceptable substitute for Martin at some point his cap number gets too damn high to pay him what he is asking.

I would like to see him stay. He seems to be the best in the game and zero drama. You want players like that on your team. But cap dollars are finite. A guard CAN be replaced even if you don't want to have to replace them.

PA Cowboy Fan · Mar 29, 2018

kevm3 said:
Let's let all the talent on the team walk and just replace them in the draft

Pretty much what some want to do. That way we can at least stay 8-8 but we never improve.

BlindFaith · Mar 29, 2018

ksg811 said:
He actually signed a 2 year extension, which is added to the remainder of the existing contract. The contract is officially 3 years at just over $16 million. That would give him an average salary of $5.3 million, or 18th highest at RT.

That is a very good point. You are right.

The contract is listed as a two year deal, but it's actually a three year deal. It's an odd contract.

ksg811 · Mar 29, 2018

BlindFaith said:
That is a very good point. You are right.

The contract is listed as a two year deal, but it's actually a three year deal. It's an odd contract.

It's not an odd contract, it's just a discrepancy between internal reporting within the NFL and external media reporting. The media only reports the value of the new contract, whereas extensions are officially netted with existing deals for legal purposes. It's how all extensions are handled by the league, not just La'el's.

canters · Mar 29, 2018

Still say there is a growing chance we let him walk in 2019.

BlindFaith · Mar 29, 2018

ksg811 said:
It's not an odd contract, it's just a discrepancy between internal reporting within the NFL and external media reporting. The media only reports the value of the new contract, whereas extensions are officially netted with existing deals for legal purposes. It's how all extensions are handled by the league, not just La'el's.

Not just that, there is also restructure included along with guarantees for playing time accumulated through the 2017 and 2018 seasons. So more of his contract could become guaranteed for 2019, and most likely if he continues to start.

ksg811 · Mar 29, 2018

BlindFaith said:
Not just that, there is also restructure included along with guarantees for playing time accumulated through the 2017 and 2018 seasons. So more of his contract could become guaranteed for 2019, and most likely if he continues to start.

Right, that is a specific note related to Collins. I was speaking more vaguely about extensions in general. Obviously, individual details are different case by case, but the netting of contracts in an extension is standard procedure.

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