Stephen Jones podcast with Ed Werder, doesn't seem happy with JG

Dre11 said:

But you only worry about the Cowboys, right?
Also, it’s funny it’s been 5 years since they went 8-8 and you’re still trotting out that weak narrative...lol

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Whoaa hold on thar Tex, you're forgetting that 4-12 in 2015. Plus if Philly hadn't virtually forfeited that last game to the Cowboys in 2017 by playing their backups against our 1st stringers, that would've been a fourth 8-8 season.

Dre11 said:

I don't give a crap about that last narrative. They didn't have a team for most of those 7 years, even the teams that were deemed good had major holes that were exposed, mainly defensively and in the trenches

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So the Garrett jock riders have a new narrative, poor Garrett "didn't have a team for most of those 7 years". So its totally understandable why he has not won jack during his tenure.

Buzzbait said:

If you were upset about 1 year I could see that. But you're upset about Garrett's 8 years!
How many years of mediocrity are enough for you, 20? Or ???

And as for the "abyss", we're already in the hole, and Garrett just keeps on digging and making excuses.
The only reason we didn't end up 8-8 last season was because the eagles played their backups. We beat their backups 6-0 to eek out a 9-7.
That would've made four 8-8 seasons in the last 8 years.

The only way this team will make it to the Super Bowl is to load up with so much talent that they can win despite Garrett's incompetence.

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Dont forget the sorry Raiders had the Cowboys beat and we got that gift fumble from David Carr at the end of the game. Dallas should of finished the season at 7-9.

Garretts time is coming though. This season is going to be the last stand for Garrett because the schedule is loaded with equally talented teams and when the Cowboys meet a team with equal talent they generally lose because then the game hinges on coaching!

jrumann59 said:

Part of me wonders if he has HC candidate in the background somewhere waiting for JG to be fired or resigns.

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all teams always have a guy lined up to be the HC in waiting. Its just good business. Its an unspoken thing. You can bet Dallas has a guy in mind.JG has to get the team far this year or hes done. Stevie made it clear.

It took the iggles winning it all after losing all their key players to realize the value of coaching!

Now that you're awake Jonses do something about it.

Buzzbait said:

Whoaa hold on thar Tex, you're forgetting that 4-12 in 2015. Plus if Philly hadn't virtually forfeited that last game to the Cowboys in 2017 by playing their backups against our 1st stringers, that would've been a fourth 8-8 season.

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Try to keep up, we're talking 8-8s, also were not talking ifs and buts, right?

Whyjerry said:

and yet we are into year 8 of the process. Makes perfect Cowboys sense. In the real world he should have been canned after 2015. No way a good coach allows a team to tank the way he did.

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what about the GM?
....since 1995 our GM

this little bantering back and forth about whos the biggest whiners, you get a tie for having an entire thread OF USELESS BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHOS RIGHT AND WRONG..lol this is Cowboys talk and about sports agree to disagree and move on, theres so many Negative whining always doom and gloom people on here its hard to just pick one..make your point and move on..

Hadenough said:

Dont forget the sorry Raiders had the Cowboys beat and we got that gift fumble from David Carr at the end of the game. Dallas should of finished the season at 7-9.

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these should of could have BS responses a can go both ways we should have beaten the Rams and Gb had them beat down and blew the games..its how this works when the clock hits zero you get a W-L-T that it they cant be changed or taken away with ridiculous well IFS..If and butts don't cut it in sports..we were 9-7 its official and many years we could have easily one an extra game or two and rested players but those losses still count..

Dre11 said:

Try to keep up, we're talking 8-8s, also were not talking ifs and buts, right?

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its getting old for sure..i haven't read the entire deal and will support the staff and players while they are on this team to the best of my patience can be stretched but after the 4-12season it was apparent a change was needed , IMO the whole staff should have been let go..im no hypocrite i said that after 2016 and 2017 but once we know thats not the case we should at least support the team and look forward to the new season ahead without all the hope for failure just to get the staff fired..wishing for loses should get you banned as fan, period..i don't care about draft positions and what not i want every game to be a W no matter the situation..

on aide not anybody enjoying the Mavs tanking season , the horrible season that have followed the championships and near championships by Mavs and Rangers and the stars late...Im not but all this talk about 25 years of mediocrity..aside from the Spurs and a little from the Astros the Cowboys have the more meaningful playoff and championships wins than all combined other teams in the Metroplex and TX..It could be worse..put them all together they still cant touch what the Cowboys have done since 1960 or since 1989..period end of story..

Aviano90 said:

Took him 4 years to learn to run the football. Now we just need him to learn to run the football in the red zone instead of passing 3 straight times. Maybe he can even realize the shotgun, empty backfield set on 3rd and short isn't a good idea. Garrett is slowly getting the to point even he should be learning. I wish we could speed up his learning curve a bit.

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Clock management is one thing I don't think he is capable of learning. He did learn not to icehis own kicker rather quickly. If he could only learn from the rest of his mistakes as fast.

408Cowboy said:

Clock management is one thing I don't think he is capable of learning. He did learn not to icehis own kicker rather quickly. If he could only learn from the rest of his mistakes as fast.

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I was a Garrett defender until the horrible clock management turned me against him. Doing things like calling a timeout on the goal line with 46 seconds remaining in the half and 2 timeouts. We don't need a timeout with 46 second remaining. Let the clock run. Score a TD on first down giving Atlanta plenty of time to march down the field against our horrible defense and score before the half.

Example after example of our offense preserving time for our opponent after the 2 minute warning by misusing timeouts and passing instead of using the dominant running game. It just boggles my mind that people continue to excuse these decisions which hurt the team. You can still support Garrett and think he is doing a fine overall job, but some of these specific mistakes should not be excused. But with certain players/coaches you have people that will go to the ends of the earth to find a reason not to admit their pet made a mistake.

erod said:

Stephen watched Philly happen without its starting QB, LT, MLB, RB, and CB.

The Dak stuff was based purely on hope. There is nothing about Dak so far that remotely resembles Troy Aikman. Troy had a powerful and accurate arm and he was most comfortable in the pocket. That is the polar opposite of Dak.

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Was he comparing Dak's abilities to Troy's or was he making point that Dak will do better in an offensive system that he can rely on and he isn't the gunslinger that Romo was? I like Dak and I'm a huge fan of Dak but to say he's a Troy Aikman is a joke. Troy is a 3 time SB champ and HOFer.

408Cowboy said:

Clock management is one thing I don't think he is capable of learning. He did learn not to icehis own kicker rather quickly. If he could only learn from the rest of his mistakes as fast.

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But what's funny, if you look around the league clock management is conversation around the league amongst fans. Clock management is subjective, it's based on feel of the game situations. Belicheck, Andy Reid,Jay Gruden and a lot others coaches have been criticized

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/09/05/nfl-clock-management-andy-reid-homer-smith

http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new...chick-defends-clock-management-end-first-half

blueblood70 said:

these should of could have BS responses a can go both ways we should have beaten the Rams and Gb had them beat down and blew the games..its how this works when the clock hits zero you get a W-L-T that it they cant be changed or taken away with ridiculous well IFS..If and butts don't cut it in sports..we were 9-7 its official and many years we could have easily one an extra game or two and rested players but those losses still count..

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Your right we should of beat the Rams but Garrett's failure to adjust cost the Cowboys. And yes we should of beaten GB but Garrett's failure to make situational adjustments to the play calling left extra time for Rodgers. The Raiders game was being blown by Garrett too and then a dumb play by Derek Carr gift wrapped that game. Point is Garretts team last season was doing everything it could to be 7- 9 but good fortune had it land at 9-7.

Much of the prime of Tony Romo’s career was wasted by having an OC masquerade as a HC (and I suppose you could say the same about the preceding HC tenure of DC Wade Phillips as well).

While it’s obvious it will take a complete team meltdown before Jerry Jones fires Jason Garrett, I don’t believe Stephen would hesitate to make a change if he thought Dak’s career was headed down the same road as Tony’s.

The question is, how much weight does Stephen Jones’ opinion carry, moving forward?

Aviano90 said:

I was a Garrett defender until the horrible clock management turned me against him. Doing things like calling a timeout on the goal line with 46 seconds remaining in the half and 2 timeouts. We don't need a timeout with 46 second remaining. Let the clock run. Score a TD on first down giving Atlanta plenty of time to march down the field against our horrible defense and score before the half.

Example after example of our offense preserving time for our opponent after the 2 minute warning by misusing timeouts and passing instead of using the dominant running game. It just boggles my mind that people continue to excuse these decisions which hurt the team. You can still support Garrett and think he is doing a fine overall job, but some of these specific mistakes should not be excused. But with certain players/coaches you have people that will go to the ends of the earth to find a reason not to admit their pet made a mistake.

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This has also bugged me for years because it keeps happening. What bothers me even more is that he knows how average to poor this defense has been for years. How many times have we watched teams go right down on the defense with ease at the end of the first half or at the end of games? Every team can poke holes in their HC for this or that but when the same mistakes are made year in year out it's a problem, I will give credit where credit is due, his players play hard for him and you don't hear players bad mouthing teammates or one side of the ball or the other even after bad losses. Other than that I can't think of a single thing where he gives the team a competitive advantage during the game. I hope and pray we win the SB and I will gladly eat crow.

Dre11 said:

Try to keep up, we're talking 8-8s, also were not talking ifs and buts, right?

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No, you try to keep up. You're trying to do an end run around the subject, but like you said....no if's, and's or buts......
We're talking only 3 winning seasons out of 7 and only 2 of those 3 were earned. And 2 out of 7 stinks.

blueblood70 said:

these should of could have BS responses a can go both ways we should have beaten the Rams and Gb had them beat down and blew the games..its how this works when the clock hits zero you get a W-L-T that it they cant be changed or taken away with ridiculous well IFS..If and butts don't cut it in sports..we were 9-7 its official and many years we could have easily one an extra game or two and rested players but those losses still count..

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So you're defending 3 winning seasons out of 7. That's an impressive 43%.
The remaining 4 seasons were 8-8,8-8, 8-8, and 4-12. That's 57%.

In the real world, if you fail to perform your job adequately as expected 57% of the time, would your boss consider that acceptable?
Are you ever held responsible for your job performance like most of us are? If so, then join the crowd!
But HC Jason Garrett, who is paid millions of $$$ for his services, is never held responsible for his performance. Never. No matter what.
No matter what happens, he has the ultimate job security.
I've never had a job that would allow me to perform my job adequately only 43% of the time, and not accept responsibility for the other 57% of failures.

If "If's, And's and But's don't cut it in sports" like you said, then how about we eliminate the 57% of If's, And's, and But's by Jason Garrett for the last 7 years?
I don't expect perfection out of the guy, but I expect more than 43% after 7 years worth, and so should Jerry Jones.
If you're happy with his lack of performance that's you're right, but don't blame others just because they're not satisfied with it.