Garrett ripped “soft” offense after Denver loss

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I take it you favor keeping Garrett, and while I disagree with that, I don't get the need for many fans to fabricate nonsense complaints. If fans feel Garrett hasn't accomplished goals - fine, that's a fair reason to think he should be let go. But instead many fans have to twist and exaggerate and fabricate all sorts of other reasons to dislike Garrett. He got mad - he cussed, he expressed his disappointment - a lot of fans have been upset over the years that he hasn't been willing to do that. Then he does it, and they twist that into something negative.

I don't think fans are upset he cussed or expressed disappointment for how they played. It's part of the larger picture where he often refuses to accept any responsibility when things go south. Sometimes he comes close but often kind of dances around the reality.

Look at that Atlanta debacle. After the game Garrett talked about how Green was accountable for his poor play and how they apparenty tried to give him a little help and "maybe" should have done a bit more. Instead, of saying, "You know what? We screwed that up big time. The proof is the results."

He never really accepts blame for much of anything and often skirts around that fact.
 

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Gonna be interesting watching opinions shift and calcify when these episodes are available. Gonna be some contorting going on.
I know right? a side of Garrett that "doesn't" exist.
 

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I like his "robotic" voice. I wish they would have use his voice as the robot in lost in space. " danger Will Robinson, danger.. we don't like danger,, danger Will... Will Robinson". :)
 

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I don't think fans are upset he cussed or expressed disappointment for how they played. It's part of the larger picture where he often refuses to accept any responsibility when things go south. Sometimes he comes close but often kind of dances around the reality.

Look at that Atlanta debacle. After the game Garrett talked about how Green was accountable for his poor play and how they apparenty tried to give him a little help and "maybe" should have done a bit more. Instead, of saying, "You know what? We screwed that up big time. The proof is the results."

He never really accepts blame for much of anything and often skirts around that fact.

I don't think he does that at all. I think that's just what fans want to believe. He talks about the team as a collective - he uses the word "WE" a lot. He doesn't talk in a way that excludes himself and the coaches.

This isn't really different than other coaches do, and in fact, there are other coaches in the past (Parcells for one) that would point fingers at specific players.

Other coaches don't routinely spend press conference time after a loss talking about how he and the coaches failed. That's not how it works. But somehow, because they blame Garrett, many fans somehow think that Garrett should go up after losses and apologize for his shortcomings. That's a ridiculous expectation. Neither the best, nor the worst coaches do that.
 

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I don't think he does that at all. I think that's just what fans want to believe. He talks about the team as a collective - he uses the word "WE" a lot. He doesn't talk in a way that excludes himself and the coaches.

This isn't really different than other coaches do, and in fact, there are other coaches in the past (Parcells for one) that would point fingers at specific players.

Other coaches don't routinely spend press conference time after a loss talking about how he and the coaches failed. That's not how it works. But somehow, because they blame Garrett, many fans somehow think that Garrett should go up after losses and apologize for his shortcomings. That's a ridiculous expectation. Neither the best, nor the worst coaches do that.

Other coaches do point fingers at players. But many often take the blame for other things.

Garrett, rarely, if ever takes responsibility. The "we" is a classic example of skirting responsibility. It wasn't my fault, it was "we". It's a classic deflection tactic from people that struggle to take on responsibility themselves.

I don't think he needs to take blame for every loss or every mistake or every problem. But he rarely takes blame for any of it, and that's the problem. That Falcons game was a clear example of a coaching mistake and yet after the game, he spent much of his time dealing with that issue by talking about how Green took the blame and how the coaching staff actually gave him help (which was BS, they gave him very little).

There's no clearer example than that game of a coaching mistake and then the coach basically not taking any responsibility himself.
 

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I am sure he did .......... anything not to blame his stupid *** predictable offense,
 

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Garrett ripped “soft” offense after Denver loss. too bad he's not like a coach or something where he could be in charge and make changes..
 

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The All or Nothing show should be a good one...or at least entertaining.

“The whole thing was soft,” coach Jason Garrett tells his offense after a Week Two loss in Denver, during the opening episode of Amazon’s All or Nothing that focuses on last year’s Dallas Cowboys. “Soft at the point of attack. Soft in the backside. It was soft with the runner. Not strong enough with the ball.”


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...loss-at-denver/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Heard about this. Interesting indeed. A few F bombs never hurt anyone.
 

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Other coaches do point fingers at players. But many often take the blame for other things.

Garrett, rarely, if ever takes responsibility. The "we" is a classic example of skirting responsibility. It wasn't my fault, it was "we". It's a classic deflection tactic from people that struggle to take on responsibility themselves.

I don't think he needs to take blame for every loss or every mistake or every problem. But he rarely takes blame for any of it, and that's the problem. That Falcons game was a clear example of a coaching mistake and yet after the game, he spent much of his time dealing with that issue by talking about how Green took the blame and how the coaching staff actually gave him help (which was BS, they gave him very little).

There's no clearer example than that game of a coaching mistake and then the coach basically not taking any responsibility himself.

I think you are taking the rare occasion you see a coach put the blame on himself and imaging it happens a lot more often than it does, with a lot more coaches than it does. Nevertheless, although I can't give a specific example, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts Garrett has done the same thing.

As for "that game", how often do you see Garrett go off like that? Once? Anytime before that? Or after? It was one game, not a habitual thing. That's really one of the big problems with fans - if they dislike a coach or player they seem to have no problem inflating a one time or rare thing into a career habit. That's what I was talking about earlier - exaggerating to fabricate a point rather than stick to the simple fact Garrett hasn't accomplished what he was hired to do.
 

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Other coaches do point fingers at players. But many often take the blame for other things.

Garrett, rarely, if ever takes responsibility. The "we" is a classic example of skirting responsibility. It wasn't my fault, it was "we". It's a classic deflection tactic from people that struggle to take on responsibility themselves.

I don't think he needs to take blame for every loss or every mistake or every problem. But he rarely takes blame for any of it, and that's the problem. That Falcons game was a clear example of a coaching mistake and yet after the game, he spent much of his time dealing with that issue by talking about how Green took the blame and how the coaching staff actually gave him help (which was BS, they gave him very little).

There's no clearer example than that game of a coaching mistake and then the coach basically not taking any responsibility himself.

It's also a coaching mistake (or scheme issue) that has been repeated and has cost us wins. Alex Barron comes to mind in 2010 vs the Commanders. I don't recall any outside help on the last play of the game especially after showing he could not handle Orakpo's outside rush.

At the very least, you'd want Garrett and his coaching staff to learn from their mistakes.
 

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Garrett ripped “soft” offense after Denver loss: was he clapping when he "ripped" the soft defense, if he didn't, I can't take him seriously.
 

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Where does the quote indicate he and the coaching staff were blameless?

If he had said the team played hard, but things just didn't work out, fans would have ripped him for not acknowledging the poor quality of play.

Fans have been upset with him for not getting mad and showing emotion in the past, and now when he does it, they are somehow bothered by it?

No one is 'bothered by it'
Everyone who had any intelligence and pays attention already knows that Garrett never takes the blame but has thrown players under the bus plenty
The guy is a pathetic excuse for a HC
 

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I take it you favor keeping Garrett, and while I disagree with that, I don't get the need for many fans to fabricate nonsense complaints. If fans feel Garrett hasn't accomplished goals - fine, that's a fair reason to think he should be let go. But instead many fans have to twist and exaggerate and fabricate all sorts of other reasons to dislike Garrett. He got mad - he cussed, he expressed his disappointment - a lot of fans have been upset over the years that he hasn't been willing to do that. Then he does it, and they twist that into something negative.

He us the biggest Jerry and Garrett lover in the universe
 

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What you’ll learn is that Garrett in his coaching philosophy is very Parcellsian in believing you win by just beating your man. Parcells never was most exotic and that’s what ultimately chased him from the league.

His mantras and philosophy are much like the great old school coaches but the W-L has never matched up except when team has stayed healthy. Which is twice in 8 years
 

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No one is 'bothered by it'
Everyone who had any intelligence and pays attention already knows that Garrett never takes the blame but has thrown players under the bus plenty
The guy is a pathetic excuse for a HC

No, everyone who wants to believe that "knows it". Aside from the fact the idea Garrett always throws players under the bus is a myth, I would love for you to name all these other coaches that routinely talk about their coaching failures after losses.
 

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He us the biggest Jerry and Garrett lover in the universe

And if he is, so be it, but that still doesn't justify fans who dislike Garrett twisting and exaggerating and fabricating whatever they can to find anything they can to blame Garrett for. Garrett has fallen short as a coach - that's all anyone has to point to in order to justify wanting him to be replaced. There is no evidence he is backstabbing or conniving or not working his *** off or any other negative thing anyone can fabricate in the fantasy world of their minds. He has just been inconsistent and too often ineffective. Good people can have bad results.
 

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So Garrett's offense that he has installed and trained the players on for the last 8 years is "soft".

Don't see how this is a compliment for Garrett:huh:
Well hes clearly talking about the play and execution on the field.

How exactly is an bbn offense "soft"? Or "hard" for that matter...
 

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No, everyone who wants to believe that "knows it". Aside from the fact the idea Garrett always throws players under the bus is a myth, I would love for you to name all these other coaches that routinely talk about their coaching failures after losses.

Here is one...Sean McVay

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...aracteristic-decisions-in-loss-to-washington/

http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angele...-sundays-loss-i-never-really-gave-us-a-chance

Here is another...Bill Belichick

https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/bill-belichick-this-is-all-my-fault/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...h-down-call/3JMmeVTJbhhkn8h2YyM6CP/story.html

Coaches blame themselves all the time. Pete Carrol took responsibility for the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots. I think the problem with Garrett is he never comes out and says "it's my fault".

As for the request to show where Garrett has thrown a player under the bus...here is Garrett claiming Romo should have checked down to Murray instead of throwing to Escobar against Denver. Depending upon your definition of "throwing under the bus", this is from a reputable source:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/In-the-Final-Autopsy-No-Tony-Romo-Didnt-Choke--226894221.html
 
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