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jobberone

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Hitchens was a 4 round jag who was overpaid. The guy has all the size but doesn't play like it. Pick screams marinelli Tampa 2 and the scheme sucks.

Hitchens played well enough esp for a R4. We don't play a traditional Tampa 2 as much as other hybrid defenses. No one I know uses the Tampa 2 as it first evolved. If we have the right guys we'll play more like Seattle did a few years ago. Hard to do because having all that talent is difficult to gather together at one time.
 

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Watch him against Virginia


Clearly not his best game...lot of running around blocks, inability to shed, and poor angles...looked much better later in the season (esp. against Oregon). Given VA was 4th game of the season, perhaps we can chalk the poor performance up to learning curve? Based on VA game alone, he will need some development in areas that OP touched on.
 

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Hitchens played well enough esp for a R4. We don't play a traditional Tampa 2 as much as other hybrid defenses. No one I know uses the Tampa 2 as it first evolved. If we have the right guys we'll play more like Seattle did a few years ago. Hard to do because having all that talent is difficult to gather together at one time.
All Tampa 2 requires is a tall MLB that can cover the deep middle and run. We still run a combo of cover 2 and Tampa 2. And it is trash.
 

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Clearly not his best game...lot of running around blocks, inability to shed, and poor angles...looked much better later in the season (esp. against Oregon). Given VA was 4th game of the season, perhaps we can chalk the poor performance up to learning curve? Based on VA game alone, he will need some development in areas that OP touched on.

What scares me is Virginia was bad. And I've never seen a guy that big constantly be put on his back
 

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What scares me is Virginia was bad. And I've never seen a guy that big constantly be put on his back
No doubt...he definitely got his fair share of pancakes in that footage...clearly not his best outing. Like I said in my earlier post, I am not that familiar with him (don't have that much time to follow college ball that closely, particularly outside my market), but he does possess some nice measurables (combine). Let's hope we don't get a lot of the VA game version of the dude...especially with him benefitting from an NFL-level strength program, which should help him immensely.
 

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No doubt...he definitely got his fair share of pancakes in that footage...clearly not his best outing. Like I said in my earlier post, I am not that familiar with him (don't have that much time to follow college ball that closely, particularly outside my market), but he does possess some nice measurables (combine). Let's hope we don't get a lot of the VA game version of the dude...especially with him benefitting from an NFL-level strength program, which should help him immensely.
If this staff has any brains forget the playbook just get this kid stronger he needs it or he will never make it. I think he has more upside than Evans but way more bust potential.
 

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Soft...bad neck/back...soft...no violence to his game...soft! Nice Pom poms rah rah speech tho!!

I admit I don't follow college football like the rest of you (and i admire all of you)
But I no longer want defensive players that are athletic and play sideline to sideline. I want intimidating guys that kill people and instill fear in the opponent even if it costs us 15 yards now and then . if this guy is good at at hurting guys, I like the pick. Is he Wilbur Marshall ? Then I am good. If not, major failure. At 19 we needed a day one wrecking guy that can't be stopped. If this is the guy, then a great pick.anything short of a Wilbur mashall or a jack ham....then a monumental failure .
 

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Clearly not his best game...lot of running around blocks, inability to shed, and poor angles...looked much better later in the season (esp. against Oregon). Given VA was 4th game of the season, perhaps we can chalk the poor performance up to learning curve? Based on VA game alone, he will need some development in areas that OP touched on.


He looked like crap.
 

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Philosophically, I generally disagree with spending a 1st rounder on a 4-3 LB. They more or less grow on trees in my mind. But whatever, the team values the position to an unwise extent and there's no changing that now.

But I'm fine with him as a player.

I don't really see Urlacher at all when I look at him. I mean, he's a big white guy with lots of mass and good athleticism on paper, so I see where people make those comparisons for cosmetic reasons. But Urlacher's athleticism jumped off the TV screen to me when I watched him play for the Lobos in college. A LB so athletic to get sent back to return some kicks and punts? That was something else.

I see the athleticism in his combine numbers. That's a positive. It's not everything, especially at LB where I'll take instincts over workout numbers every day of the week (especially Sundays). But looks good. If you're lanky and quick and your head's on a swivel and you can jump, you're harder to throw the football around when trying to quickly fire passes to TEs for first downs or goalline TDs.

I don't really care that he only started for 1 year. That happens these days. Sometimes guys are only available to you because of those kinds of nit-picky faults. If he played one more year and did repeated (or expanded upon) what he did this past year, he'd have been picked a handful of picks earlier than 19 anyway, most likely. Would I love to always have 3 or 4 years worth of starts to evaluate everyone? Sure. But we live in reality where that's not always how it goes.

The fact that he played well when he played is enough for me. So I trust he's not just a workout warrior who kills it in the Combine but disappears on the field.
 

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He looked like crap.

It was early in the season. If you put in his last two games he looked excellent. Boise State did not ask their LB to stack on OL but make fast reads and play off OL shoulders if not straight flank them. He struggled with the technique and reads a bit early in the season.

What impresses me about him is he picks up things quickly.
 

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It was early in the season. If you put in his last two games he looked excellent. Boise State did not ask their LB to stack on OL but make fast reads and play off OL shoulders if not straight flank them. He struggled with the technique and reads a bit early in the season.

What impresses me about him is he picks up things quickly.

I hope he looks better. What tape I saw looked nothing like that game.
 

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All Tampa 2 requires is a tall MLB that can cover the deep middle and run. We still run a combo of cover 2 and Tampa 2. And it is trash.

We have a new pass coverage coordinator and I doubt we are going to run the same coverages. Prior to Eberflus last year we ran a ton of single high man calls with Henderson. Before that it was cover 3. I expect Seattle's old DC will run more cover 3 given that is his specialty.
 

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This thread's context is centered around a draft pick. Have you been paying attention to the draft?

You mean, like I said, they basically gutted their roster, swapped with GB a couple spots in the first, and in the process gain a third and sixth pick for a deep seventh?

They got a guy that’s played way more than ours did at a position of need and did it really well.
 
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Urlacher was a Safety at New Mexico and played in an unorthodox college scheme, so... he actually had zero experience playing LB when he was drafted. He was a pure projection by Chicago.

Nice try though.

He player his first two years as a traditional LB and his last two in the unorthodox scheme. Hardly, “zero experience”. He also was on the field a lot more than this guy.

Urlacher was also a runner up for multiple awards including the Thorpe award and was a Heismann candidate.

Hardly a ‘pure projection’...
 

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I'm saying there is a trail back to other boards that preceded this one. I was a member of them. I also am pretty straight forward of owning my mis-judgments about football. I do not recall once you ever coming back and clearing the air about your position when you have been wrong.

My opinion is this kid has one year on tape, He is not this Erlacher type player laying the wood. He has a little speed, but the highlights I have seen about him is his defense against run games isn't stellar. He seems like a big galoot and will be exposed as a lot less than the giddiness this board seems to be reveling in.

I think he will be Bobby Carpenter. Which is what I said. You chose to ridicule me about that opinion. Which has a link to a past which is long gone.

You say Bobby Carpenter when to a man the great majority of draftniks call it a lazy and uninformed comparison.

As far as opinions, I try not to get emotionally invested in the players. I try to look at the facts and stick to those. I don't sit back and write a manifesto like you do, going all in or out on a player and then having to eat crow when things go differently. I have plenty of mistakes and in most cases they come down to a matter of heart, not skill.
 
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