I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

millennial_legend · Jun 21, 2018

DakPresgoat said:
No, he wasn’t solid.

He was bad. It’s not just about the Ints. He was completing less than 60% of his passes which is horrible.

Laughably, the way he was playing, there were a ton of Eagles fans who wanted him gone and a change of QB. (Funny how that seems familiar in some way).

Sanchez was just even worse.

I’m not knocking Foles. But he has been the definition of inconsistent during his career. It’s not even really debatable.

Percentage is overrated. They lost Jackson and Maclin that past offseason. Their starters were Huff, Cooper, and a rookie Matthews. Not a quality corps. If you watched the games instead of relying too hard on stats, you would have seen how he did all he needed to and more in their wins and in their only 2 losses that he played in in 2014, they lost by less than a score and both games he led the Eagles all the way down the field to the 1-yard line but couldn't punch it in for the win. Fault? OL, WRs, a little on McCoy. I remember those two games, @ SF and @ AZ, pretty vividly.

Ranched · Jun 21, 2018

millennial_legend said:
1. Carson Wentz: clearly he is on the path to becoming the next Aaron Rodgers assuming his health holds up and last year's setback doesn't impede his path to greatness. He is an elite QB in every way and the Eagles moved up to draft the best NFC QB of this generation in the NFL.

2. Nick Foles: Impossible to argue with his incredible Eagles resume, from the ridiculous 2013 season in which he was the second best QB in the league (after taking over at 3-5 for a washed up Vick, he led the team to a 10-6 season) only because Peyton Manning had an NFL-record season -- to his virtuoso Super Bowl MVP 2017-18 playoff campaign which also included an absolute obliteration of the NFL's best defense in 2017, the Vikings. Foles may not be the mobile guy who can execute crazy throws on the run and scramble for big yards like Wentz, but he's a very accurate and clutch pocket passer with great presence and awareness. Also an easy guy to root for.

3. Dak Prescott: After an absolutely stellar rookie campaign, he had an average 2017 season, but that wasn't entirely his fault. Without his running mate nearly half the season, a broken offensive line and a top WR and TE on their last legs, Dak didn't have nearly enough help for him to achieve in 2017. This year, he has a plethora of good-enough receivers, the best back in the league is back 100%, the line should be dominant, and the offense should be very favorable to him. Barring injury, he will bounce back in a big way in 2018.

4. Eli Manning: Certainly, 2017 was a big-time down year for the two-time Super Bowl MVP and champion, but his pedigree, clutchness and hard-won experience gives him the edge over the last player on this list. Manning had arguably the worst offensive line in 2017, no running game, and a defense that could no longer consistently hold up their end of the bargain. With the addition of Nate Solder, Aaron Hernandez and Saquon Barkley, Manning should finally have competent enough pieces around him to make him not look like a broken down version of himself in 2018. They're still trotting out Ereck Flowers but at right tackle, however with the gauntlet of left side edge rushers in the division this could still be a large issue.

5. Alex Smith: One of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, not merely currently but for a long time. The man tries hard and he protects the football, but he's definitely not an ideal franchise guy by any standards. His throw power is consistently among the worst in the league among starters (no secret) and he's certainly not the QB you want on your side if you're trailing. He's a cerebral player, a very solid bus driver and a nice front runner. Plays very well with the lead. His west coast throws are pinpoint accurate, but flooding the box and flats causes his offense to struggle. Sure, he might occasionally hit a big play if he has the right artillery around him (the Commanders don't at the moment) but his timidness and lack of an NFL arm make him only the fifth-best starting quarterback in the 2018 NFC East.

1) I don't even know where to start. Wentz had one good season (thanks to an easy schedule) and has never played in post season, been injury prone since college, and you not only call him "elite", but you've already compared him to Rodgers?!
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2) Yes Foles won a SB for the Eagles. But, everything fell into his lap. Had Matt Ryan not of tossed a lob in Philly on 4th & goal, we wouldn't have this conversation. He's not s starter &, never has been. That's why he ended up back in Philly. But, I'll give him props for the best back-up qb that's ever played the game.
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3) Two names why Eli has 2 rings. Tyree & Manningham. IMO, both of them should have received MVP for each of those SB wins.
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4) Prescott hasn’t necessarily had the array weapons to play to his full potential as of late, especially with Zeke out last season & Bryant receiving the award for most dropped passes in the league. And the coaching staff certainly hasn’t done him much justice. Now we have no go to Witten, no deep threat with Era. It's impossible to rate/judge Prescott on any level because we have yet to see what his new weapons are capable of.
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5) The last five seasons working under Nagy with the Kansas City Chiefs, Smith enjoyed the best years of his career, making the Pro Bowl three times and throwing 102 touchdowns to 33 interceptions. That's all he's accomplished since 2005. Another Cousins IMO.

aria · Jun 21, 2018

daboyzruleperiod said:
1) I don't even know where to start. Wentz had one good season (thanks to an easy schedule) and has never played in post season, been injury prone since college, and you not only call him "elite", but you've already compared him to Rodgers?!
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2) Yes Foles won a SB for the Eagles. But, everything fell into his lap. Had Matt Ryan not of tossed a lob in Philly on 4th & goal, we wouldn't have this conversation. He's not s starter &, never has been. That's why he ended up back in Philly. But, I'll give him props for the best back-up qb that's ever played the game.
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3) Two names why Eli has 2 rings. Tyree & Manningham. IMO, both of them should have received MVP for each of those SB wins.
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4) Prescott hasn’t necessarily had the array weapons to play to his full potential as of late, especially with Zeke out last season & Bryant receiving the award for most dropped passes in the league. And the coaching staff certainly hasn’t done him much justice. Now we have no go to Witten, no deep threat with Era. It's impossible to rate/judge Prescott on any level because we have yet to see what his new weapons are capable of.
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5) The last five seasons working under Nagy with the Kansas City Chiefs, Smith enjoyed the best years of his career, making the Pro Bowl three times and throwing 102 touchdowns to 33 interceptions. That's all he's accomplished since 2005. Another Cousins IMO.

This is a joke, could you be any more subjective? So all but Dak have an excuse for why they were successful and none of which had anything to do with the themselves.

Wentz- easy schedule
Eli- Tyree and Manningham
Foles- everything fell into his lap
Smith- OC
Dak- not enough weapons (even with one of the best O lines in football and Zeke), Zeke suspended part of the season, Dez, coaching and now no Witten or deep threat

Lol, is this serious?

jobberone · Jun 21, 2018

daboyzruleperiod said:
1) I don't even know where to start. Wentz had one good season (thanks to an easy schedule) and has never played in post season, been injury prone since college, and you not only call him "elite", but you've already compared him to Rodgers?!
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2) Yes Foles won a SB for the Eagles. But, everything fell into his lap. Had Matt Ryan not of tossed a lob in Philly on 4th & goal, we wouldn't have this conversation. He's not s starter &, never has been. That's why he ended up back in Philly. But, I'll give him props for the best back-up qb that's ever played the game.
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3) Two names why Eli has 2 rings. Tyree arily had the array weapons to play to his full potential as of late, especially with Zeke out last season & Bryant receiving the award for most dropped passes in the league. And the coaching staff certainly hasn’t done him much justice. Now we have no go to Witten, no deep threat with Era. It's impossible to rate/judge Prescott on any level because we have yet to see what his new weapons are capable of.
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5) The last five seasons working under Nagy with the Kansas City Chiefs, Smith enjoyed the best years of his career, making the Pro Bowl three times and throwing 102 touchdowns to 33 interceptions. That's all he's accomplished since 2005. Another Cousins IMO.

I think Earl Morrall is the greatest backup QB. George Blanda. Jim Plunkett. Craig Morton.

mcmvp · Jun 21, 2018

aria said:
This is a joke, could you be any more subjective? So all but Dak have an excuse for why they were successful and none of which had anything to do with the themselves.

Wentz- easy schedule
Eli- Tyree and Manningham
Foles- everything fell into his lap
Smith- OC
Dak- not enough weapons (even with one of the best O lines in football and Zeke), Zeke suspended part of the season, Dez, coaching and now no Witten or deep threat

Lol, is this serious?

It's completely ridiculous, isn't it?

Northern_Cowboy · Jun 21, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
See that right there, and you and many wonder why you are called haters and cry when you are called it. You predicting your very own QB wont succeed before a single snap in the 2018 season is more than enough to know you wear those blinders year round and that you arnt as realistic as you claim.

Its fans like you who cant enjoy watching the game because you go into it hoping to see negativity right away just to make your day nice and bright.

It's a really pathetic thing.

Go ahead, tell me more about what will take place before the season even start

The only pathetic thing is you trying to tell others how to be a fan. I have been a Cowboys fan for 50 years and always root for the team but that doesn't mean i can not be objective about what i see and have an opinion on a player, maybe you feel the need to blindly follow but others don't

Ranched · Jun 21, 2018

jobberone said:
I think Earl Morrall is the greatest backup QB. George Blanda. Jim Plunkett. Craig Morton.

Waaay, before my time Pops Jobber. Let me revise my post, Best back-up qb I've ever seen play the game.

GMO415 · Jun 21, 2018

3rd????

kento40 · Jun 21, 2018

Northern_Cowboy said:
The only pathetic thing is you trying to tell others how to be a fan. I have been a Cowboys fan for 50 years and always root for the team but that doesn't mean i can not be objective about what i see and have an opinion on a player, maybe you feel the need to blindly follow but others don't

This is what happens when you don't scream sunshine and crap rainbows. They question your fanhood or tell you to find another team.

1nfljunky · Jun 21, 2018

aria said:
This is a joke, could you be any more subjective? So all but Dak have an excuse for why they were successful and none of which had anything to do with the themselves.

Wentz- easy schedule
Eli- Tyree and Manningham
Foles- everything fell into his lap
Smith- OC
Dak- not enough weapons (even with one of the best O lines in football and Zeke), Zeke suspended part of the season, Dez, coaching and now no Witten or deep threat

Lol, is this serious?

She is absolutely clueless. Always has been. And it doesn’t look like it will ever change.

CT Dal Fan · Jun 21, 2018

I really don't like to compare QB's. They all have different styles and play in different offenses.

Let's look at the NFC South, for instance. Is Cam Newton in the same class as Drew Brees as a passer? Heck no, but that doesn't make Cam a bad player.

Same in our division. Is Dak the pure passer Eli is? No. But would any NFL team like to run a read-option or RPO offense with Eli?

Daillest88 · Jun 21, 2018

Weren’t eagle fans making excuses for wentz in 2016 because he had no weapons? Dak had his troubles but lost Ezekiel for 6 games, Dez game regressed so much last year( why he hardly has gotten a market), all the receivers were average. Witten slow as anything, Smith going down hurt too, coaching did nothing to help Dak last year, but eagle fans dont want to hear it? Lol that’s all you guys did in 2016 was complain about the talent around wentz!! Now look, wentz goes down and freaking Foles looks just as good lmao. Eagles didn’t just have great talent, but had OUTSTANDING coaching. Something Dak hasn’t had

aria · Jun 21, 2018

Daillest88 said:
Weren’t eagle fans making excuses for wentz in 2016 because he had no weapons? Dak had his troubles but lost Ezekiel for 6 games, Dez game regressed so much last year( why he hardly has gotten a market), all the receivers were average. Witten slow as anything, Smith going down hurt too, coaching did nothing to help Dak last year, but eagle fans dont want to hear it? Lol that’s all you guys did in 2016 was complain about the talent around wentz!! Now look, wentz goes down and freaking Foles looks just as good lmao. Eagles didn’t just have great talent, but had OUTSTANDING coaching. Something Dak hasn’t had

13-3, rookie of the year and coach of the year had nothing to with coaching? Got it.

HungryLion · Jun 21, 2018

millennial_legend said:
Percentage is overrated. They lost Jackson and Maclin that past offseason. Their starters were Huff, Cooper, and a rookie Matthews. Not a quality corps. If you watched the games instead of relying too hard on stats, you would have seen how he did all he needed to and more in their wins and in their only 2 losses that he played in in 2014, they lost by less than a score and both games he led the Eagles all the way down the field to the 1-yard line but couldn't punch it in for the win. Fault? OL, WRs, a little on McCoy. I remember those two games, @ SF and @ AZ, pretty vividly.

I did watch the games. I see every Philadelphia game since I live in the Philadelphia area.

Completion percentage is overrated? That is complete nonsense.

Let’s keep making more excuses for why his performance has been inconsistent.....

My original argument was that he has been as inconsistent as Dak has been. They both have had pretty much one great season, for one poor season. Again not a knock on Foles but let’s keep it real.

Also, you’re dead wrong about his receiving Corp. He had Jeremy Maclin in a contract season, who put up his best season of his career and went to the pro bowl that year. He also had a young Zach Ertz who was still growing but was a very talented young TE at the time.

He also had Shady McCoy still that season who is only the best running back in eagles franchise history.

But please keep telling me about how much his supporting cast sucked.

What’s funny is you had the audacity to insinuate I only rely on stats and you watched the games closer than I did. But you didn’t even realize who his 1 WR was that season. Laughable.

Again, all of this is not a knock on Foles. Who I do think is a good QB. But it is a FACT that he has been inconsistent thus far in his career. A FACT.

jobberone · Jun 21, 2018

daboyzruleperiod said:
Waaay, before my time Pops Jobber. Let me revise my post, Best back-up qb I've ever seen play the game.

LOL!!!!

Daillest88 · Jun 21, 2018

aria said:
13-3, rookie of the year and coach of the year had nothing to with coaching? Got it.

Coach of the year? Lmao , I’m pretty sure Dak surprised people and the mass talent we had ,had a huge part to play with it, Leary was missed last year, . Teams had no tape of Dak in this offense,in 2016 Garrett doesnt make adjustments!! He’s trash , that “coach of the year” did nothing to help out Dak this year.

aria · Jun 21, 2018

Daillest88 said:
Coach of the year? Lmao , I’m pretty sure Dak surprised people and the mass talent we had ,had a huge part to play with it, Leary was missed last year, . Teams had no tape of Dak in this offense,in 2016 Garrett doesnt make adjustments!! He’s trash , that “coach of the year” did nothing to help out Dak this year.

Just stating a fact. Funny when how I was frowned upon during Dak’s rookie year for saying although he may have potential, a lot of his success could be attributed to teams not having enough film on him. Now it’s become one of the most convenient excuses for his “setback”.

If you want to claim the only reason JG was successful was due to the “load of talent” then why not mention all the years we were thin on talent either on offense or defense? Does that excuse him from being a poor coach in your opinion? You can’t have it both ways. Our secondary was junk for several years, our linebackers were junk with the exception of Lee (that’s if he wasn’t hurt) and our D line was junk with the exception of Ware.

Not to mention, so Leary goes and the other 2-3 Pro Bowlers on the offensive line aren’t good enough for Dak? Zeke goes and Dak can’t complete passes all of the sudden? Chaz Green is horrendous and JG could have done more during the Atlanta game but who’s ultimately responsible for putting the roster together? According to most, it’s not JG and people rave about how great we are at drafting and building talent from within yet Chaz freakin’ Green was the best option we had as a back up.

Number1 · Jun 21, 2018

let's say we get a performance from Dak that matches his NFL record so far
averaging the last two years

Att Comp Pct Att/G Y/G Yds Avg TDs TD% INTs INT% Rate
475 310 65.3 29.5 219 3495 7.4 23 4.75 8 1.8 95.8

frankly, that's the least I expect of Dak in 2018 - but if that's all we get, it'll win the NFCE and make the playoffs

- New faces don't bother me at the WR as Dak works progressions so methodically. And to put not to fine a point on it Dez and Witten were rather slow. Hurns and Thompson run great patterns and have solid hands. The same can be said for Gallup and Wilson. Note, Thompson and Gallup have real deep speed. Austin adds a threat.

- the revamped OL will deliver more time to throw. It should also get Zeke back to 5.0 a carry. In this system one of the core ideas is to run deeper patterns early in the progression when you have time (first or second option). With this OL they will be able to stretch the field.

I'd say Dak's 2018 stat looks more like this

Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds/G Yds Avg/A TDs TD% INTs INT% Rate
480 310 65% 30 240 3,840 8.0 28 5.8% 10 2.1% ???

my assumption is 30 attempts a game, a la Garrett ... and the added time to throw with faster targets turns in more RAC - 8.0 per attempt and more TDs.

that's not a monster season, under 4,000 yards, but if I'm right that's good enough to be a dominant O.

BTW, I think the D is far better than the O.- they will dominate a lot of games

Alexander · Jun 21, 2018

Prescott is 3rd or 4th.

I don't get why some people want to argue otherwise.

Does it give them that extra pep in their step the next day?

Number1 · Jun 21, 2018

Alexander said:
Prescott is 3rd or 4th.

I don't get why some people want to argue otherwise.

Does it give them that extra pep in their step the next day?

reality check, Eagles' QBs looked awesome behind a top tier healthy OL 2017
as did Dak in 2016,
all 3 are good QBs

why some people ignore that is silly to me

I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

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What's it going to be then, eh?

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