I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

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reality check, Eagles' QBs looked awesome behind a top tier healthy OL 2017
as did Dak in 2016,
all 3 are good QBs

why some people ignore that is silly to me

That top tier Eagles line you speak of lost their All Pro LT for the season in 2017 and i don't think they had anyone else on that line as good as Martin or Frederick. What seems more likely is there QB's were better able to handle adversity than our QB was
 

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That top tier Eagles line you speak of lost their All Pro LT for the season in 2017 and i don't think they had anyone else on that line as good as Martin or Frederick. What seems more likely is there QB's were better able to handle adversity than our QB was

Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce are stud players in their own right.

The QB’s did handle adversity well. For sure. The coaching helped too. Our coaches failed big time last year.
 

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1. Carson Wentz: clearly he is on the path to becoming the next Aaron Rodgers assuming his health holds up and last year's setback doesn't impede his path to greatness. He is an elite QB in every way and the Eagles moved up to draft the best NFC QB of this generation in the NFL.

2. Nick Foles: Impossible to argue with his incredible Eagles resume, from the ridiculous 2013 season in which he was the second best QB in the league (after taking over at 3-5 for a washed up Vick, he led the team to a 10-6 season) only because Peyton Manning had an NFL-record season -- to his virtuoso Super Bowl MVP 2017-18 playoff campaign which also included an absolute obliteration of the NFL's best defense in 2017, the Vikings. Foles may not be the mobile guy who can execute crazy throws on the run and scramble for big yards like Wentz, but he's a very accurate and clutch pocket passer with great presence and awareness. Also an easy guy to root for.

3. Dak Prescott: After an absolutely stellar rookie campaign, he had an average 2017 season, but that wasn't entirely his fault. Without his running mate nearly half the season, a broken offensive line and a top WR and TE on their last legs, Dak didn't have nearly enough help for him to achieve in 2017. This year, he has a plethora of good-enough receivers, the best back in the league is back 100%, the line should be dominant, and the offense should be very favorable to him. Barring injury, he will bounce back in a big way in 2018.

4. Eli Manning: Certainly, 2017 was a big-time down year for the two-time Super Bowl MVP and champion, but his pedigree, clutchness and hard-won experience gives him the edge over the last player on this list. Manning had arguably the worst offensive line in 2017, no running game, and a defense that could no longer consistently hold up their end of the bargain. With the addition of Nate Solder, Aaron Hernandez and Saquon Barkley, Manning should finally have competent enough pieces around him to make him not look like a broken down version of himself in 2018. They're still trotting out Ereck Flowers but at right tackle, however with the gauntlet of left side edge rushers in the division this could still be a large issue.

5. Alex Smith: One of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, not merely currently but for a long time. The man tries hard and he protects the football, but he's definitely not an ideal franchise guy by any standards. His throw power is consistently among the worst in the league among starters (no secret) and he's certainly not the QB you want on your side if you're trailing. He's a cerebral player, a very solid bus driver and a nice front runner. Plays very well with the lead. His west coast throws are pinpoint accurate, but flooding the box and flats causes his offense to struggle. Sure, he might occasionally hit a big play if he has the right artillery around him (the Commanders don't at the moment) but his timidness and lack of an NFL arm make him only the fifth-best starting quarterback in the 2018 NFC East.

More like 3rd in the NFC.
Rodgers
Brees
Prescott
 

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That top tier Eagles line you speak of lost their All Pro LT for the season in 2017 and i don't think they had anyone else on that line as good as Martin or Frederick. What seems more likely is there QB's were better able to handle adversity than our QB was

the Giggles' OL put up 2,000 rushing yards and Kelce provided a clean pocket. After their first few games they had time to go deep.
BTW, Kelce is the best C the game, maybe the best OL in the game

Remember, Wentz only completed 60% on the year, he took a lot of sacks buying more time, didn't throw INTs,.and he got quite a bit of RAC, it was a rather odd season, and many are calling the next great QB, Sounds a lot like Dak in 2016

I'd rather have Dak or Goff as far as the 2016 draft class goes. Wentz will be a good player for many years, but he doesn't get through progressions very fast. Frankly, he's a smarter version of McNabb. His big plays will be on the move, far more than from the pocket.

IMO, the 2018 Cowboy D is likely to dismantle the Giggles in 2018, the speed of our back 7 can really reek havoc on their big play passing game. And if any 2 of Lee, Smith, and Vander Esch on the field PHL will not win a rushing contest vs the Boys.

Dak will be able to sit in the pocket going mid range and deep, Wentz will have take chances every drive.
 

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the Giggles' OL put up 2,000 rushing yards and Kelce provided a clean pocket. After their first few games they had time to go deep.
BTW, Kelce is the best C the game, maybe the best OL in the game

Remember, Wentz only completed 60% on the year, he took a lot of sacks buying more time, didn't throw INTs,.and he got quite a bit of RAC, it was a rather odd season, and many are calling the next great QB, Sounds a lot like Dak in 2016

I'd rather have Dak or Goff as far as the 2016 draft class goes. Wentz will be a good player for many years, but he doesn't get through progressions very fast. Frankly, he's a smarter version of McNabb. His big plays will be on the move, far more than from the pocket.

IMO, the 2018 Cowboy D is likely to dismantle the Giggles in 2018, the speed of our back 7 can really reek havoc on their big play passing game. And if any 2 of Lee, Smith, and Vander Esch on the field PHL will not win a rushing contest vs the Boys.

Dak will be able to sit in the pocket going mid range and deep, Wentz will have take chances every drive.
Dismantle? LMAO. OK. Stupid, but OK...
 

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The only pathetic thing is you trying to tell others how to be a fan. I have been a Cowboys fan for 50 years and always root for the team but that doesn't mean i can not be objective about what i see and have an opinion on a player, maybe you feel the need to blindly follow but others don't

What's more pathetic than your crying is you believing your future predictions are facts when the first kickoff hasnt even lined up yet.

Hell training camp hasnt even started yet:facepalm:
 

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What's more pathetic than your crying is you believing your future predictions are facts when the first kickoff hasnt even lined up yet.

Hell training camp hasnt even started yet:facepalm:

I see you get confused very easily, i haven't made any predictions just given my opinion as to how i think Dak will make out based on what i have seen from him so far. Predictions and opinions are different things, perhaps you should take the time to learn the difference
 

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I see you get confused very easily, i haven't made any predictions just given my opinion as to how i "THINK" Dak will make out based on what i have seen from him so far. Predictions and opinions are different things, perhaps you should take the time to learn the difference

Last year dak had more of a down year slump than not. Because of that you believe dak will do more of the same and nothing more based on your last response. So it's either 9-7, 8-8 or worse.

That's your prediction. You never gave any indication that he may rebound in a positive way in any of your post about him in this thread.

There is no proof that 2018 will go the way 2017 went. If that's the case 2017 would have went the same way 2016 would have went.

You yet again made a prediction based on a year that will have nothing to do with the next.

Go ahead and keep trying to defend what you are saying makes sense. Do you enjoy looking like a moron:huh:?


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Last year dak had more of a down year slump than not. Because of that you believe dak will do more of the same and nothing more based on your last response. So it's either 9-7, 8-8 or worse.

That's your prediction. You never gave any indication that he may rebound in a positive way in any of your post about him in this thread.

There is no proof that 2018 will go the way 2017 went. If that's the case 2017 would have went the same way 2016 would have went.

You yet again made a prediction based on a year that will have nothing to do with the next.

Go ahead and keep trying to defend what you are saying makes sense. Do you enjoy looking like a moron:huh:?


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I see your a mind reader too! When did you gain this ability to tell me what i am thinking? and please show me in this thread where i have posted the Cowboys will finish either 9-7 or 8-8? I didn't give any indidcation that he will rebound because "In my opinion" (there is that pharase again) he won't. You are correct there is no proof 2018 will be like 2017 the same way there is no proof that 2018 will be anything close to 2016 either. I do not think Dak is a franchise QB and i base that off of what i have seen from him in his 2 seasons and i believe he is closer to the QB we saw in 2017 than the QB we saw in 2016, that is my opinion it is not a prediction. I have stated many times in this thread that nothing would make me happier than to see Dak prove me wrong but i don't think he will. You need to stop getting your panties in a bunch evertime somebody around here doesn't think Dak is god you believe him to be. The best thing for you to do would be to sit back and watch 2018 play itself out because after this season one of us will be proven correct, if you are correct about Dak you will see me in here or other threads stating i was wrong about him and i will be happy about it, if i am correct will you be in those same threads making excuses for Dak again or will you be admitting that he isn't the guy, maybe you should think about that before you question a fans loyalty to his team and decide you know what they are thinking. Doing that makes you look very very small
 

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That top tier Eagles line you speak of lost their All Pro LT for the season in 2017 and i don't think they had anyone else on that line as good as Martin or Frederick. What seems more likely is there QB's were better able to handle adversity than our QB was
"Even w/ Peters missing the last 9 games w/ a torn ACL, the Eagles still had one of the best OL's in football.........2nd year player Hala Vaitai did an excellent job of stepping in for Peters."

Research is your friend.
 

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"Even w/ Peters missing the last 9 games w/ a torn ACL, the Eagles still had one of the best OL's in football.........2nd year player Hala Vaitai did an excellent job of stepping in for Peters."

Research is your friend.

Never said they didn't have a decent line my larger point was they didn't fall apart when they lost their AP left tackle (Peters) for the season. Around here we lost Smith for a couple of games 1 of which was really bad with Green as his replacement and everyone around here wants to all of a sudden blame everything on the OL
 

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Never said they didn't have a decent line my larger point was they didn't fall apart when they lost their AP left tackle (Peters) for the season. Around here we lost Smith for a couple of games 1 of which was really bad with Green as his replacement and everyone around here wants to all of a sudden blame everything on the OL
Green was absolutely awful. The Eagles backup played very well. See the difference?
 

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Green was absolutely awful. The Eagles backup played very well. See the difference?

Your talking about 1 game, 1 game of the season. The Eagles had the #1 ranked line in 2017 and the Cowboys had the # 4 ranked line, if our QB can't win consistantly with an OL that is ranked # 4 in the NFL on a bad season then we are in big big trouble, wouldn't you agree?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol


Funny even ranked at # 4 our OL gave up 1 less QB pressure for the season than the Eagles line did
 
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More like 3rd in the NFC.
Rodgers
Brees
Prescott

For all those complaining of hate posts about Dak, it’s posts like these are the main contributors to the problem. When someone goes to this extreme with their praise of him, it leads to others going to the other extreme in attempts to balance it. There is simply no way any NFL GM would rate him as he 3rd best QB in the NFC right now. Nor is he near the bottom.

You place him above guys like Wilson, Ryan, Wentz, Stafford, and Newton. I personally would put him higher than Newton, but that’s not based on talent...it’s more about intangibles. They all are more talented QBs.

Right now he’s in the middle somewhere. He can change that going forward...it’s up to him.
 

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For all those complaining of hate posts about Dak, it’s posts like these are the main contributors to the problem. When someone goes to this extreme with their praise of him, it leads to others going to the other extreme in attempts to balance it. There is simply no way any NFL GM would rate him as he 3rd best QB in the NFC right now. Nor is he near the bottom.

You place him above guys like Wilson, Ryan, Wentz, Stafford, and Newton. I personally would put him higher than Newton, but that’s not based on talent...it’s more about intangibles. They all are more talented QBs.

Right now he’s in the middle somewhere. He can change that going forward...it’s up to him.
Any NLF GM?!?! How about any body with a fully functioning brain. That sadly is not an outlier here, it’s the norm.
 

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I see your a mind reader too! When did you gain this ability to tell me what i am thinking? and please show me in this thread where i have posted the Cowboys will finish either 9-7 or 8-8? I didn't give any indidcation that he will rebound because "In my opinion" (there is that pharase again) he won't. You are correct there is no proof 2018 will be like 2017 the same way there is no proof that 2018 will be anything close to 2016 either. I do not think Dak is a franchise QB and i base that off of what i have seen from him in his 2 seasons and i believe he is closer to the QB we saw in 2017 than the QB we saw in 2016, that is my opinion it is not a prediction. I have stated many times in this thread that nothing would make me happier than to see Dak prove me wrong but i don't think he will. You need to stop getting your panties in a bunch evertime somebody around here doesn't think Dak is god you believe him to be. The best thing for you to do would be to sit back and watch 2018 play itself out because after this season one of us will be proven correct, if you are correct about Dak you will see me in here or other threads stating i was wrong about him and i will be happy about it, if i am correct will you be in those same threads making excuses for Dak again or will you be admitting that he isn't the guy, maybe you should think about that before you question a fans loyalty to his team and decide you know what they are thinking. Doing that makes you look very very small

It seems I am not the only poster who is trying to have you understand things you say dont make sense. You are the only one with their panties in a bunch with all that bold writing as if you really need to prove yourself in front of the forum.

You are proving more of a nutjob than not:confused:
 

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For all those complaining of hate posts about Dak, it’s posts like these are the main contributors to the problem. When someone goes to this extreme with their praise of him, it leads to others going to the other extreme in attempts to balance it. There is simply no way any NFL GM would rate him as he 3rd best QB in the NFC right now. Nor is he near the bottom.

You place him above guys like Wilson, Ryan, Wentz, Stafford, and Newton. I personally would put him higher than Newton, but that’s not based on talent...it’s more about intangibles. They all are more talented QBs.

Right now he’s in the middle somewhere. He can change that going forward...it’s up to him.

Dak is #2 in percent of games with a 100 or greater QBR.

People claimed for years that Romo was not that good.
 

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Dak is #2 in percent of games with a 100 or greater QBR.

People claimed for years that Romo was not that good.

Where does he rank in percent of games in the sub-70 passer rating category?
 

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Nick Foles
Dak
Wentz

In that order. But the love affair for a QB who has accomplished nothing (Wentz) continues year after year.
 

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Your talking about 1 game, 1 game of the season. The Eagles had the #1 ranked line in 2017 and the Cowboys had the # 4 ranked line, if our QB can't win consistantly with an OL that is ranked # 4 in the NFL on a bad season then we are in big big trouble, wouldn't you agree?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol


Funny even ranked at # 4 our OL gave up 1 less QB pressure for the season than the Eagles line did

The dak apologists will continue to blame the down season on green because 1 atrocious game. I mean with tyron and zeke back and needing a win to secure a playoff birth this offense scored a wopping 12 points vs seattle and followed that up with 0 touchdowns vs the iggles 3rd stringers.
 
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