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Chaz Green talks about the Falcon game
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AbeBeta
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Well smart guy, why don't you go ahead and tell us exactly how many times?
xwalker
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From a performance perspective, he has only had 1 bad game.
He has started 6 games and failed once.
The team will consider 2 things with him:
1: Performance
2: Injury Issues
If he had never been injured, his performance in 6 starts has been good enough.
1 horrible game
2 good games
3 good-enough games
Since teams generally don't evaluate players on just one game, his performance is not a reason he should be cut.
Since performance is not the reason to cut him, then it comes down to injury issues.
Since it really comes down to injury issues, the Atlanta game is not really relevant this preseason.
Fans love to find players to hate but with Green fans obsess about the Atlanta game which is a minor overall issue in his career. The major issue in his career is the Injury Problem; however, fans have spent 1000x more energy obsessing about the Atlanta game than his problem of being injury prone.
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Well said X. And yes, a lot has been made of the disaster in Atl last year. But I get the feeling that because Green was a third round pick, he gets way too much leeway, and too much credit for playing in your own assessment, “1 bad game” and “3 good enough” games. That’s “good enough” for this team? That’s a pretty low bar IMO. I just find it very hard to believe we couldn’t do any better than Chaz Green as a backup.
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The two good games were in his 2 starts in 2016 at LT. He was good enough than many people at CZ didn't know after the season that Tyron missed those games.
The good-enough starts were at LG. Cooper became the LG because Green got injured, not because he was benched.
If somebody posted that he has been injured too often and should be replaced because of it, then I would not argue against that feeling.
My issue is the complete over-reaction to a players performance in 1 game and the corresponding narrative that he has always been terrible despite evidence to the contrary.
Personally I hope they have 9 guys that are unquestionably better than Chaz Green this coming preseason; however, until that happens the calls to cut Green, especially when the roster is at 90, don't make sense.
It should be a simple criteria for Green in the preseason:
Play in ALL preseason games without missing any due to injury in order to be considered for the 53 man roster. That would include not missing more than a couple of practices during training camp.
His performance in Atlanta likely has near-zero impact on the coaches in regards to evaluating him this preseason. Even moreso because of the new OL coach.
His injury history on the other hand must be strongly considered. It far outweighs his failure in 1 game.
They'll keep 9 or 8 OL.
TS
CW
TF
ZM
LC
Swing Tackle ( Fleming )
OC/OG backup (Looney)
That leaves 1 or 2 spots.
Green OT/OG
Marcus Martin OG/OC
Kadeem Edwards OG
Jake Campos OT
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No need to get defensive. I was just bringing up that the sack total given up by Green doesn’t tell the whole story. He was getting beat like a rented mule all game long. It was the second worst performance I have ever seen by an offensive lineman, my entire life. He didn’t even slow Clayborn down on a bunch of the sacks.
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Keeping Chaz Green around is the equivalent of keeping Garrett around. Jerry would tell you that if we cut Green, we wont get the benefit of his learning from all the mistakes he has made.
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Looks like Chaz Green is most hated player on the Cowboys. The guy that everyone wants to see get cut.
I guess you took it on the chin by defending him for so long. It was obvious from the start that Chaz Green was horrid.
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Now normally I like your perspective - don't freak out over one bad game.
But when that one bad game might be the worst display of pass blocking by any player in the last decade, it's not just one bad game.
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AT LEAST 2 more. Would have been 6 sacks.
Rayman70
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no...Keeping Chaz around is the equivalent of keeping Matt Johnson around...it makes no sense if the guy can't stay on the field...and B...the player sucks.
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This is exactly why I am not concerned about him. He has started 4 other games where he was average or better.
Maybe he is broken but i doubt it.
Maybe he is broken but i doubt it.
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Matt Johnson never had a game much less a bad one.
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IMO..neither has Green. lol...I get what you mean...but the end result should be the same. Chaz being kept on the roster is a waste of a roster spot. Good front offices realize when to wave the white flag on a player and cut bait. This kind of stuff is the difference in winning and losing. Someone gonna get cut and make another team if we keep Green yet again. Its just pure stubbornness.
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That was horrible. What made it worse is we needed that game and he played like he had a party the night before the game and was hung over and probably forgot their was a game that day it was horribleLike his attitude, which might explain why he's still on the team...... He probably needs some preseason snaps at LT to get his confidence back. The fact they had him at RG for OTAs, makes FOUR positions where he's lined up on the OL.
https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-himself-for-Atlanta-Falcons-game-119276386/
Chaz Green blames himself for Atlanta Falcons game
BySAM QUINN Jun 22, 3:39 PM
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(Photo: Dustin Bradford, Getty)
Chaz Green is somewhat unique among offensive lineman, particularly in the star studded group that the Dallas Cowboys put on the field. Offensive lineman tend to be somewhat anonymous, particularly fringe starters, but if Green were to retire right now, he would forever be remembered for one game. With Tyron Smith injured ahead of last season's game against the Atlanta Falcons, Smith was forced to step in as the starter at left tackle. Adrian Clayborn proceeded to abuse him for six sacks in what was undoubtedly the worst game any offensive lineman has played in recent memory.
Green admitted to Drew Davison of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram that getting over that game has been difficult for him. That is especially true considering he doesn't have an outside excuse to blame the performance on. "When I watched it, I knew a lot of it was self-inflicted. That's what's so bad about it," Green said. "That's no disrespect to who I was going against. I just know my capabilities and I know I could’ve done better. I’m trying to work on those things and make sure that’s something I don’t go back to." Green wasn't hurt. He wasn't in a particularly bad matchup against a superstar edge rusher. He just played terrible football for the 60 worst minutes of the Cowboys season
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If that truly bothered him that much, then he is not NFL material!!!!!!!!
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He started two games and played most of another in 2016 when Tyron went down. He started the first two games at guard last year.
I agree that you should cut your losses but I am not convinced that one game should define a player.
Anyway Johnson got hurt before the PS started 3 years in a row. He was a waste of time. Green has had one horrific game, two average games at guard, and what I thought was above average play in 2.5 other games at LT. They isolated him a lot and he held up the first time around.
It sounds to me like they have reviewed the tape and figured out what was wrong. I thought he wasn't getting good depth on his kickslide. I also think that playing at guard when you are going back and lateral you are usually getting turned. The team had given him 2 weeks to switch positions.
If it turns out that if he can play OG or OT at an average or better level as long as you keep him at one spot for the season, I think that he has value. He certainly won't be expensive.
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He's saying the right things to me. He takes responsibility for the mistakes he made. He identified what the problem is and worked to correct it.
People are just mad at him and would be better off letting it go. He has had good games too.