Which scenario seems likely?

Diehardblues · Oct 25, 2018

CouchCoach said:
Pieces, they're all pieces to the puzzle. Is he a completer piece? Don't know but I don't know if any of those WR's coming out are either and that was most definitely a need.

But if we’re not a playoff team with Cooper will it justify 13 million next year or would we be better off with a Rookie contract?

glimmerman · Oct 25, 2018

Looking for #1 to happen.

buybuydandavis · Oct 25, 2018

Bobhaze said:
Scenario 2- team improves on offense but not enough to make drastic improvements in the WIN COLUMN, goes 5-4 the rest of the way, finishes 8-8, is eliminated in mid December, doesn’t make the playoffs. Cooper helps, but it’s not enough.

Which scenario do you think happens AND WHY?

Scenario 2
Even without Cooper, I'd say 2. Dak's play was already heading up. Gallup's too. Williams. There was huge turnover, and there was bound to be an adjustment period. With Cooper, we should be marginally better. He'll have his own adjustment period too.
But there can't be a big jump as long as Linehan is driving the bus. He's a disaster.

408Cowboy · Oct 25, 2018

I'm going with whatever gets Garrett fired.

gimmesix · Oct 25, 2018

CouchCoach said:
If you only take records as the predictor, you are right. But there's more to it than that or teams with losing records would never beat teams with winning records.

I think it is more in the offensive and defensive matchup between teams and so far with the Cowboys, the venue.

I understand that there are a lot of variables, but I also understand that none of these teams are exactly juggernauts. It's not like we're facing the Chiefs or Rams every week.

Of course, the teams that we've lost to haven't exactly been that caliber either. Too bad this isn't the 2014 or 2016 offense with this defense, We would have had a chance to go undefeated during the regular season. The biggest challenge on our schedule, unless someone gets on a roll, would have been New Orleans.

The Rams have to be feeling really good in a division where almost all of the other teams are average.

CouchCoach · Oct 25, 2018

Diehardblues said:
But if we’re not a playoff team with Cooper will it justify 13 million next year or would we be better off with a Rookie contract?

At this point, it is too early to project what his contract might be next season and there are other factors, players, that will play into that.

I have never faulted Booger over Dez's contract because he was boxed in with a 13-5 team having lost the All Pro RB and rushing leader. He tried to play some hard ball but bli9nked in the end, as most of management does.

There is a lot they have to assess next season but if Dez's production had stayed up, they would have put up with his BS and paid him. It's all about ROI and whether Cooper is a 13M, 10M, 8M WR or not on the team remains to be seen. He's just one of the tough decisions they'll have to make.

Bullflop · Oct 25, 2018

Diehardblues said:
But if we’re not a playoff team with Cooper will it justify 13 million next year or would we be better off with a Rookie contract?

A pregnant question if there ever was one. If Cooper is a factor in improving this team with Dak here or without him, we'll be better off, imho. Will we be improved enough to justify the money he's making? I'd venture to guess that remains to be determined at a later date.

CouchCoach · Oct 25, 2018

408Cowboy said:
I'm going with whatever gets Garrett fired.

Scenario 0, doesn't exist, only in our minds.

CouchCoach · Oct 25, 2018

gimmesix said:
I understand that there are a lot of variables, but I also understand that none of these teams are exactly juggernauts. It's not like we're facing the Chiefs or Rams every week.

Of course, the teams that we've lost to haven't exactly been that caliber either. Too bad this isn't the 2014 or 2016 offense with this defense, We would have had a chance to go undefeated during the regular season. The biggest challenge on our schedule, unless someone gets on a roll, would have been New Orleans.

The Rams have to be feeling really good in a division where almost all of the other teams are average.

Yep and the fact they are the best NFC team so far. But that D could be a problem down the road. And calling AZ and SF average is really nice of you.

It is the teams that can make the big plays, score in clumps and put pressure on the Cowboys offense that concern me. PHL(2), ATL, NO, TB and even Indy are concerns to me because the Cowboys haven't really proven they're better than Indy. TEN is the only one I really feel confident about.

I tell ya, gimme, I really don't have a handle on how good or bad the Cowboys are at this point. I've seen rain but I haven't seen a lot of fire except in one game.

408Cowboy · Oct 25, 2018

Bullflop said:
OK . . . I'll bite -- who's Greg? Your cat, perhaps?

Diehardblues is Gregg

Gangsta Spanksta · Oct 25, 2018

Bobhaze said:
So if scenario 2 is most likely, as I think it is, what good does this trade do for us? If we don’t make the playoffs and we don’t have a #1 pick next year, and we’re stuck with Jason Garrett again, is this franchise going forward? Or backward?

I don't like the trade at all. The question to ask ourselves, is coopers situation here much better than the one he had with the Raiders. Is Dak an improvement over Carr? I'll be rooting for both Cooper and Dak, hoping for the best come Sunday. But I'm pessimistic right now.

Gangsta Spanksta · Oct 25, 2018

CouchCoach said:
If Dak isn't the answer, they get a FA QB and/or spend the 2nd on one to bring in to compete.

Unfortunately, I think the organization is giving Dak not just this season to prove himself, but also next season. 2020 is when the Cowboys might draft another quarterback.

mrmojo · Oct 25, 2018

#2 or #3 .........#1 is a pipe dream...one player does not cure all the other ills of the offense or the coaching.........unless its a Rogers or Brady who was coming in.

DiResta · Oct 25, 2018

I think it's about to get very, very bad
Tyron I would bet is injured
rookie
Looney can't possibly match Freds level of calling assignments (this affects Dak too, where Travis could read defenses) much less his all-pro blocking
now Zach another all-pro has the mcl sprain
La el has been better and who knows what his deal is
your best blocking tightend is done
guess who Dallas plays after the Titans? guess who they play after that? think it gets easier? nope. then after that you get another contender and then back to the Eagles

I have no doubt we will see Cooper Rush take snaps in the next few games

Bullflop · Oct 25, 2018

408Cowboy said:
Diehardblues is Gregg

Ah, thanx . . . mystery solved! :thumbup:

Bullflop · Oct 25, 2018

Gangsta Spanksta said:
Unfortunately, I think the organization is giving Dak not just this season to prove himself, but also next season. 2020 is when the Cowboys might draft another quarterback.

Yup, I suspect you're onto something. Jerry's love for Dak will likely require considerable time for the fire to go out!

CowboyRoy · Oct 25, 2018

Bobhaze said:
So here we are, 7 games into the season, at the team’s bye week. After a typical roller coaster ride under Jason Garrett, we lose one, win one....etc. Now we sit at 3 wins, 4 losses with a tougher schedule ahead and two games back of the average deadskins in the loss column.

But....the front office, seeing another season slipping away, stepped up and (overpaid) acquired a top shelf WR with about a year and a half of guaranteed time with the team. Certainly an upgrade for this team which clearly has had the worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Whatever we think of this trade, it’s done, Cooper's here, and we have 9 games to try parlay that into something better than what we have seen to this point.

With that said, what are your expectations NOW, for the rest of the season? If we have pushed the “RESET” button on this season, what do expect?

Here are what I consider to be possible scenarios from best to worst, from here on:

Scenario 1- the team is energized and improved with the Cooper trade, offense improves dramatically, defense continues being strong, and the team goes 7-2 or 8-1 to finish strong at either 10-6 or 11-5 and win the division. Maybe even wins a playoff game or two.

Scenario 2- team improves on offense but not enough to make drastic improvements in the WIN COLUMN, goes 5-4 the rest of the way, finishes 8-8, is eliminated in mid December, doesn’t make the playoffs. Cooper helps, but it’s not enough.

Scenario 3- the team doesn’t improve on offense, either because Cooper doesn’t make a difference, defense slides, or injuries to key positions hit, or Garrett loses the team and a free fall ensues. Team finishes 3-6 rest of the way to go 6-10 overall.

Obviously, Scenario 1 is best case, and what Cowboys fans would want. Scenario 2 is in the middle, keeping us about where we are but without making the playoffs. Scenario 3 is obviously worst case. In any of these scenarios, one thing remains- however we finish, there will not be a #1 draft pick next year.

Which scenario do you think happens AND WHY?

Me- realistically, I see this team finishing in Scenario 2- 8-8, maybe 7-9. I just can’t see the acquisition of Cooper at midseason being enough to overcome the bad work done by this Head Coach. This team should at the very least be 4-3, maybe 5-2. I can’t see how adding a good WR suddenly makes this team a force to be reckoned with.

Your thoughts?

I see a few more first downs possible and maybe a big play or two more, but that isn't going to change much. NOTHING will change unless the Oline plays much better. The OLINE is the #1 problem with this offense at the moment. If Frederick came back there would be a shot at Scenario #1, as he is not I see that as the least likely.

Scenario 2 can 3 are clearly the more likely scenarios. The schedule as I see it isn't that bad actually. But for us to go 5-4 that is going to be difficult. But one more key injury and scenario 3 will hit.

Ill take scenario #2 as there are more home games left.

CowboyRoy · Oct 25, 2018

Bobhaze said:
So if scenario 2 is most likely, as I think it is, what good does this trade do for us? If we don’t make the playoffs and we don’t have a #1 pick next year, and we’re stuck with Jason Garrett again, is this franchise going forward? Or backward?

Losing a pro bowl center and your best Olineman ruined this season and set it back one year at least. If he never plays again this team is screwed until he can be properly replaced.

Verdict · Oct 25, 2018

RodeoJake said:
Scenario 2, 7 - 9 to 9 -7. Cooper makes a difference as Dak still struggles. I really hope to be proven wrong, but Dak most likely won't stop hearing footsteps.

Man that Atlanta game last year caused him to see ghosts.

Verdict · Oct 25, 2018

The Tennessee game should give us some indication of where this team is headed. We SHOULD beat the Titans and get back to 4 and 4 with 8 games left to go. The last three games should also be wins. So that would get us to 7 wins if we take care of business.

The middle games are where the runner meets the road. If we beat the Skins, we catch them and even up the head to head wins.

If we lose the Titans game, I think it's going to be a long remainder of the year.

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