News: PFT: Saints unhappy with missed helmet-to-helmet hit on Alvin Kamara

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Has anyone seen a photo that actually shows a shot on Kamara's helmet? Because I've looked at blurry twitter gifs that show the point of impact on his right shoulder. If there is helmet contact it was incidental contact.
 

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Now Saints are accusing us of "Cheating" by having a coach on their sidelines. Really. :huh::rolleyes:
 

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Saints unhappy with missed helmet-to-helmet hit on Alvin Kamara

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Saints running back Alvin Kamara took a vicious hit from Jaylon Smith in the fourth quarter. Slow-mo replays showed the Cowboys linebacker leading with the crown of his helmet. Officials did not pe...

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Are they unhappy the missed call when they rip Daks head around like the exorcist. So blantant a face mask it pulled his helmets off. It’s amazing how strong an NFL player neck is
 

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The majority of responses in this thread are a perfect demonstration of why conspiracy theorists aren’t really concerned about poor officiating, but rather just those calls (or missed calls) that don’t benefit the Cowboys.

If your response to the missed helmet-to-hemet is “well, what about this missed call....” or “well it makes up for this call against the Cowboys” you lose all credibility and show your own agenda driven bias.

The issue last night was poor officiating ALL AROUND. I can guarantee you right now your counterparts on SaintsZone are having these same type complaints about the league trying to supposedly screw them.
This is why you have so much anger towards these discussions—because you fundamentally do not understand the conversation.

When we talk about unique and rare calls and wonder if they are possibly a result of referee bias. It is because the calls are one sided and there aren’t opposing calls that are similar.

In this thread the illegal hit and correct PI call are in question and they both benefited the Cowboys. As others have pointed out there were missed calls that clearly benefited the Saints and were less or equally as controversial at best. They were the the off sides, the no call push off, and the very clear facemask on Dak.

In our “CONSPIRACY THEORY” threads(which again for the 33rd time are simply discussions about possible ref bias that you are in no way are obligated to participate in)we talk about rare and unmatched calls like: long streaks of no holds, 5 of the 30 no penalty games for the opposition since 2000, illegal procedure on a long snapper, illegal subsitution and leading the league in penalties that result in ending drives.

We ask for examples of equal or similar calls that balance out the calls for the game thus making the calls more balanced or some may say fair. We don’t get that.

In this thread we are providing those examples that imo show the Cowboys were not the beneficiaries of “the calls”. Which, again, is ironically what we ask for when we’re told the calls aren’t unique to our team.

I am sorry this discussion bothers you, but I feel it’s reasonable and I’ll continue to participate in them.

Many thanks for your cooperation.
 

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How do you think we would have thought of the call if it ended the game for us?

I’m not disputing the call as much as I am the timing of it. Pretty tough call to make to end the game . I’m not sure he could have made the catch anyway.

We’ll take it of course. There we’re many missed calls on both sides. I thought that one could have been missed too.

Sorry Diehard, but you are wrong...…….the replay clearly showed Apple reach out and GRAB THE ARM of the receiver.

It was blatant PI and 99.9% of the time its going to get called being that blatant.

Now if you are arguing that blatant penalties should not be called late in games, then does that apply to all rules? Can I body slam the QB WWE style head first into the turf if its the last 30 seconds of the game and not get a flag?
 

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Saints unhappy with missed helmet-to-helmet hit on Alvin Kamara

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Saints running back Alvin Kamara took a vicious hit from Jaylon Smith in the fourth quarter. Slow-mo replays showed the Cowboys linebacker leading with the crown of his helmet. Officials did not pe...

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Did they say anything about the helmet to helmet on Zeke in the first quarter?
 

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They should be. It was a totally blown call.

The officiating was definitely in Dallas favor tonite. The last interference call to close the game was iffy too especially in that situation with basically an uncatchable ball.

You're crazy, they called a bogus offsides, missed a facemask, missed a opi, and a helmet to helmet on Zeke. What are you talking about. That's 4 calls, and I didn't even mention holding.
 

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Well, we're unhappy with the non call facemask on Dak that look liked a remake of the exorcist.
 

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Sorry Diehard, but you are wrong...…….the replay clearly showed Apple reach out and GRAB THE ARM of the receiver.

It was blatant PI and 99.9% of the time its going to get called being that blatant.

Now if you are arguing that blatant penalties should not be called late in games, then does that apply to all rules? Can I body slam the QB WWE style head first into the turf if its the last 30 seconds of the game and not get a flag?
I agree to a certainty extent . And I don’t think it should allow all rules as the example you provided .

But IMO it wasn’t blatant enough to be called in that situation to end the game.
 

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I agree to a certainty extent . And I don’t think it should allow all rules as the example you provided .

But IMO it wasn’t blatant enough to be called in that situation to end the game.

Did you even watch the replay from a different angle during the game? They played it right after the play. It showed him blatantly holding the receiver's arm down. There's no way to know if it was catchable because he couldn't jump or reach for it being held so. Get your eyes checked. That was as blatant as it gets.
 

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By league rules, it should have been a penalty.

But what I don't understand is how a player diving through the air with momemtum is somehow expected to change the motion of their helmet so it doesn't come into contact with another players helmet. I mean Smith obviously didn't intend to hit helmet to helmet, no player would do that because it could cause injury to both players. But when Kamara ducked at the last second, helmet to helmet contact was initiated at that point. How can something like that be prevented?

The problem as I see it is that Jaylon lead with the crown of the helmet. Had he kept his head up it would have appeared incidental, but with his head down looks like targeting and using the helmet as a weapon.
 

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Did you even watch the replay from a different angle during the game? They played it right after the play. It showed him blatantly holding the receiver's arm down. There's no way to know if it was catchable because he couldn't jump or reach for it being held so. Get your eyes checked. That was as blatant as it gets.

It looked catchable to me, and when the play happened I immediately wondered why the hell Cooper only reached for the ball with one arm. After seeing the replay I knew why.
 

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Tell New Orleans to cough up their only touchdown due to offensive pass interference. Their receiver pushed off the defender on the reception. It wasn't called.
 

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Did you even watch the replay from a different angle during the game? They played it right after the play. It showed him blatantly holding the receiver's arm down. There's no way to know if it was catchable because he couldn't jump or reach for it being held so. Get your eyes checked. That was as blatant as it gets.
I watched the replay but I made my decision based on real time just like the official does. It didn’t look blatant to me. The replay of course exposes more contact but it’s not a reviewable call.
 

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Not to rehash everything else again, but:

-Refs missed offensive PI on only Saints TD.
-Missed facemask call on Dak.
-Missed roughing penalty when Blake Jarwin was tossed out of bounds.
-Was Randy Gregory really offside? I've seen enough conflicting evidence to suggest it shouldn't have been called.

There were enough blown calls on both sides last night to essentially cancel each other out. So neither side should be complaining because they both got some breaks, too.
 

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After a win, I expect the other team to be upset about a whole bunch of things. I don’t really care what they are. Let me know when they decide to take the W away and I’ll start caring.
 

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I agree to a certainty extent . And I don’t think it should allow all rules as the example you provided .

But IMO it wasn’t blatant enough to be called in that situation to end the game.
Grabbing a receiver’s arm isn’t blatant enough? Does the defender need to tackle the receiver to get the call if you are the ref?
 

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Were they unhappy with the missed Offensive PI that gave them a TD? Were they unhappy with the missed facemask on Dak? Where they unhappy with the BS Lined Up In The Neurtal Zone penalty on Gregory that cost us a sack and turnover? No? Then they should shut the he!! up and take their L! :mad:
 
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