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Not ignoring anything and like i just told him not sure how this is getting separated but go look for yourself.

There's an awful lot that you're "not sure" about, that's abundantly clear.

Just type in NFL stats for LBs in 2018. Shocking the guy comes in at number ten...wow. Again makes him top ten and again proves yet again my original statement and statement throughout is CL is not trash and is a top ten LB based on overall LB stats for 2018. Facts are signed sealed and delivered. I'm sorry your still having trouble doing your own research.

What it "proves" is that your knowledge is nothing more than pulling up and parroting a select group of numbers, while checking your brain at the door. And then trying to ignore all evidence that several people continue to point out to you.

You didn't do any "research", you simply took one bit of information and treated it like gospel, trying to ignore everything else.
 

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So we are looking at two different sites you are looking at PFF which is not just the cold hard stats I keep referring to throughout. How many times do i have to tell you he graded out as a top ten lb based on his overall stats. I provided it in black font straight from the NFL page where stats are kept for individual players. Keep using all the sites and games you can so stash has something to look at though. I will keep using the same factual stats I have been bringing up since the beginning. You know the one where opinions aren't brought into the equation like you both so often have done. I don't care if his 100 plus tackles don't make him a good LB in your eyes, my eyes, or anyone else's eyes. The fact has been and will remain with me he in fact is a top ten LB per the NFL based on his overall stats and will remain so forever for 2018 and that will never be changed unless the NFL changes how they record their stats for this overall ranking.

You're hilarious!
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What I'd like is to communicate with someone capable of understanding that one tackle isn't the same as another, that they're more than just cumulative numbers. That a tackle ten yards downfield after you missed the first one isn't the same as making it the first time.

That 90 tackles in 16 games started for the 28th ranked run defense doesn't "blow away" 102 tackles in 11 games started for the 8th ranked run defense.
What I would like is for someone to comprehend I never cared about the type of tackle only the season total as I pointed out so politely each and every time. Regardless of where a defense ranks or the opponent every tackle counts....probably why the NFL keeps a tally of them and players get bonuses for reaching tackle numbers. Every tackle is recorded the same way...1, 2, 3, 4.5, 5, 6...etc etc....solo/assisted...they record it this way every game...sorry but I have never seen a stat for a tackle that shows bad team defense so this tackle is only 1/2 a point...please...you both have missed the point throughout...but this has been very entertaining to say the least. Nice way to get through hump day.
 

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There's an awful lot that you're "not sure" about, that's abundantly clear.



What it "proves" is that your knowledge is nothing more than pulling up and parroting a select group of numbers, while checking your brain at the door. And then trying to ignore all evidence that several people continue to point out to you.

You didn't do any "research", you simply took one bit of information and treated it like gospel, trying to ignore everything else.
Nope it proves I can go to a site and read names listed numerically on overall season stats. It also proves I have remained steadfast this has only been about overall season stats and nothing more...you are the one who keeps bringing everything else into this to discredit the NFL for what they are providing the world to see. Maybe you should call Roger and provide some input on what type of tackle should be recorded next year....unfortunately this year is in the books and CL is a top ten overall LB per the NFL. ....poor fella.
 

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What I would like is for someone to comprehend I never cared about the type of tackle only the season total as I pointed out so politely each and every time.

Politely? Is that a joke?

Regardless of where a defense ranks or the opponent every tackle counts....probably why the NFL keeps a tally of them and players get bonuses for reaching tackle numbers. Every tackle is recorded the same way...1, 2, 3, 4.5, 5, 6...etc etc....solo/assisted...they record it this way every game...sorry but I have never seen a stat for a tackle that shows bad team defense so this tackle is only 1/2 a point...please...

Nope, that's where cognitive thinking kicks in, sorry that you don't have any.

Cognitive thinking refers to the use of mental activities and skills to perform tasks such as learning, reasoning, understanding, remembering, paying attention, and more.

you both have missed the point throughout...but this has been very entertaining to say the least. Nice way to get through hump day.

The guy who's has "missed the point" here is you. The guy who looks at a list, shuts off his brain, and thinks he knows something.
 

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Nope it proves I can go to a site and read names listed numerically on overall season stats. It also proves I have remained steadfast this has only been about overall season stats and nothing more...you are the one who keeps bringing everything else into this to discredit the NFL for what they are providing the world to see. Maybe you should call Roger and provide some input on what type of tackle should be recorded next year....unfortunately this year is in the books and CL is a top ten overall LB per the NFL. ....poor fella.

The NFL is fine. I'm "discrediting" you.

Which is easy.
 

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NFL stats are just that stats. Some times you can use them to make or support an argument. However, not in this case and not based solely on top 10 in tackles. I'm not sure why anyone would think that means Littleton is a top 10 lb because he's 10th in tackles on NFL.com (this isn't a fantasy football discussion). With that argument and logic that means Hitchens is top 5?????? Come on man.

As others have pointed out he's the 39th ranked LB based on GRADE not NFL.com tackle leaders statistics.

Let me give another example, if you look solely at a stat line. Then, Byron Jones isn't on the top 10 from a pure statistical standpoint in several defensive categories. He has however graded out during the regular season as a top 3 DB in the league. However, you can't find that on NFL.com or ESPN.com That doesn't change the FACT that Byron Jones was a Top 5 CB this season.
 
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Politely? Is that a joke?



Nope, that's where cognitive thinking kicks in, sorry that you don't have any.

Cognitive thinking refers to the use of mental activities and skills to perform tasks such as learning, reasoning, understanding, remembering, paying attention, and more.



The guy who's has "missed the point" here is you. The guy who looks at a list, shuts off his brain, and thinks he knows something.
Nope have stated the same thing throughout. No abusive insulting pics, never called you ignorant, childish yes for stooping to that level but respectful throughout only keeping true to my original statement. Ct is not trash and he is a top ten overall lb per the nfl.
 

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The NFL is fine. I'm "discrediting" you.

Which is easy.
Awesome you just cemented my original statement and fact is fact right throughout this process. He is indeed a top ten overal lb which is all my point was in the first place. Thank you thank you very much. Good night now.
 

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Nope have stated the same thing throughout. No abusive insulting pics, never called you ignorant, childish yes for stooping to that level but respectful throughout only keeping true to my original statement. Ct is not trash and he is a top ten overall lb per the nfl.

Then your account was hacked. Some jerk was using it to call people “kids with cell phones”. You should investigate that because your self-proclaimed sterling reputation took a huge hit.
 

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Just a reminder that in the Dak comeback and near win against the hated GB team we got back in that game when Marnelli started hassling AR with the blitz just before halftime and continued thru the 3rd and into the 4th qtr. That last scoring drive with the miraculous pass by the hated AR we only rushed 4. Blitzing works. Exotic blitz packages throw QB's off their games.

Just Do it Richard ! Do it !!!!!

Excellent point. We were outcoached.
 

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Excellent point. We were outcoached.

Our coaches quit doing what was working. GB did nothing different. They were getting out coached while we were coming back. Our guys had a brain fart I guess. AR beat us improvising but we made it comfortable for him to do that.
 

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This game will confirm to me whether or not I should trust Garrett for the future. My answer is no, but if we get another Colts like performance from these guys then we gotta move on from Garrett for sure.

He should've been fired after 2016, IMO.
 

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Then your account was hacked. Some jerk was using it to call people “kids with cell phones”. You should investigate that because your self-proclaimed sterling reputation took a huge hit.
Once again false allegations from you never made a claim about my reputation. I'm not here on this site for my reputation I come here to gain knowledge, vent, rejoice, and fellowship of fellow cowboys fans. I made a statement and have stood strong throughout being able to back my statement up with facts, stats, a source, and w/o insults, abusive pictures, and claims on my intelligence. Saying you're acting like is a child well the facts stand true. So lets review so you can see.

1. I had an issue with a blanket statement about the rams lbs being trash.
2. I responded with my only issue being CL is in fact not trash but is coming off of a pretty good year.
3. Throughout I have made it very clear my issue was never with the rams having a subpar defense only this one individual not being trash.
4. Why have I continued --because statements like I watched the second half of games and CL had no flash plays...well I brought one up the guy had a pick six to seal week 17s win for the rams...hmmm.
5. Still throughout having to defend my stance about CL being a top ten overall LB and not about the team having the 28th run defense. You bring up well well isn't CL apart of the "run defense"...well sure he is but isn't A. Donald? Who is considered great...by every nfl player. I made one point only about a specific player who besides an opinion on how is tackles while recorded as either solo/assisted are still not good enough.
6. Still in every post I have made it very clear my statement has been about CL not being trash and is in fact a top ten overall LB per the NFL and multiple other sites.
7. Again did I call you childish...yep. AFTER you claimed i was ignorant and defending a family friend instead of countering with something reasonable like a stat.
8. I have continued to remain true to my original statement and my issue with the statement as a blanket statement throughout. Again I did so w/o insults and constantly bringing up other avenues to move the issue along instead of closing it.
9. Your so called back pedaling never happened either. Again as I review my original statement throughout my statement has only been about one specific player and the blanket statement. I never made any other claim about CL being great vs run or the pass or being poor. I only stated the one fact which is true a top ten overall LB is not trash.
10. I have not ignored one statement or have only one site. Again every site has CL ranked in the top ten when you look at just his overall stats. Some sites even have him in the top five. What fact or in your case opinion have you brought that I ignored? You have stated the 28th rank run defense as your only defense. I responded to it and made it clear my concurrence is with that statement but a team stat really doesn't have merit with what my statement says. Again I will bring his own teammate since AD must suck as well with the Rams run defense so bad.
11. So in closing I still stand strong to my original statement and approach throughout and will continue to remain strong with my only issue with the one sentence in the OP. With that I have valued your opinion throughout the years and even though we clearly don't see eye to eye on this I am moving on. Big game this weekend you know and while it is going to be a big hill to climb my focus needs to move to supporting our team we both love. Go Cowboys!
 

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Our coaches quit doing what was working. GB did nothing different. They were getting out coached while we were coming back. Our guys had a brain fart I guess. AR beat us improvising but we made it comfortable for him to do that.

We almost lost again on the 3rd and 14 play. They were willing to settle for a few yard and a field goal. We would have give the ball back to an elite QB in Russell Wilson to go down field and get a TD and end the game. Luckily Dak faded that bad decision though and picked up the first down.

We gave AR too much time due to bad clock management by the clapper and he killed is for it.
 

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We almost lost again on the 3rd and 14 play. They were willing to settle for a few yard and a field goal. We would have give the ball back to an elite QB in Russell Wilson to go down field and get a TD and end the game. Luckily Dak faded that bad decision though and picked up the first down.

We gave AR too much time due to bad clock management by the clapper and he killed is for it.

Have you forgotten about the blatant holds on both plays?
 

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Have you forgotten about the blatant holds on both plays?
Missed calls happen every single game. Calling timeouts and stopping the clock when you need it to not have enough time on the clock was missed by the head coach.
 
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