Do you honestly believe we are that far off?

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northerncowboynation

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What hurt me this season the most is the realisation that we were just one player away from winning the big game: QB.

We didnt have such a competitive team for years now.

MAN DOES IT SUCK!

Lol, last time I looked Prescott threw for as many yards as Brees and Goff down the stretch and in the playoffs. IDK, I've read that Linehan may have been less involved in play calling after the loss to the Colts, if so maybe we're a play caller away. I'll remind you that we scored exactly 3 points less than the Saints against the Rambo's. In a last minute drive to win I'll take Prescott over Goff too. I bet he get's closer than the 47 yard line. Perhaps not, who knows.
 

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Do you honestly believe we are that far off?

Based on what I saw in the Rams's/Saints we aren't

Even with JG as our HC

Even with Dak as our QB

Even with JJ as our owner

Even with Kitna as the QB coach

AND the possibility of Mini Me Moore as our OC

We aren't that far behind McVay/Goff, Payton/Brees and the Rams/Saints.

Comments? Bring 'em

It doesn't matter how well the Cowboys play football. The referees now allow defenders to tackle receivers before the ball gets there, unevenly of course. That's the new game, phony phootball. It's where the referees decide who wins and who doesn't. The real question is, do the officials, paid by the league to determine the outcome of games, believe the Cowboys have waited long enough, and tamper with the officiating in order to let them pass?
 

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Your statement that
I don’t

A healthy OL
Add ET at safety
Add a DT and TE

We can win the NFC

We won't add ET does that mean we won't win the NFC east. I'm with you on O-line and improved depth in case of a recurring back issue with Tyron. Good with DT and TE too. I'll add slot WR when Bease absconds with a boat load of cash from the Patriots who like fleas lol
 

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It's not emotional based. Fact is that "Only time will tell" if anyone off the streets would be a good coach or not, or any random player on the team for that matter. As I stated somewhere before, usually a defensive line coach gets promoted to Coordinator after it is clear that they did a good job there. Is it clear that Moore has done a good job as a QB coach? 2017 was a good year for Dak. 2018 Dak was 3-5, until Cooper came onboard, so would the turn around in 2018 logically be on Cooper or Moore? Then there is the whole deja vu factor, in that we all been here before with Jason Garrett, who had a better resume at the time than Moore. What is emotionally based about not liking any of those points?

I'm sticking with "Moore as OC is DEFINITELY a step back" as an emotion based statement, not fact based. When it happens you can crow, or if it doesn't eat crow.
 

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It doesn't matter how well the Cowboys play football. The referees now allow defenders to tackle receivers before the ball gets there, unevenly of course. That's the new game, phony phootball. It's where the referees decide who wins and who doesn't. The real question is, do the officials, paid by the league to determine the outcome of games, believe the Cowboys have waited long enough, and tamper with the officiating in order to let them pass?
:thumbup:get the tin foil out
 

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I'm sticking with "Moore as OC is DEFINITELY a step back" as an emotion based statement, not fact based. When it happens you can crow, or if it doesn't eat crow.

It may not be exactly a fact based statement, but it emotional based either, it is based on logic. Like I said, they way you are making it sound, Jerry hiring a random Joe off the streets, it would be an emotional based statement if the fans disapprove, because they don't know if he is a good coach. Heck, any kind of hiring, if a company promotes an entry level employee to management, it would be an emotional response when people get upset that he got promoted when he hasn't shown that he deserves it, according to that kind of logic. What exactly has Moore done that Warrants such a promotion? I'm far more worried about the people who just accept the promotion than the ones who are upset in this case, because to accept it blindly as being good makes one a sheep.
 

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It may not be exactly a fact based statement, but it emotional based either, it is based on logic. Like I said, they way you are making it sound, Jerry hiring a random Joe off the streets, it would be an emotional based statement if the fans disapprove, because they don't know if he is a good coach. Heck, any kind of hiring, if a company promotes an entry level employee to management, it would be an emotional response when people get upset that he got promoted when he hasn't shown that he deserves it, according to that kind of logic. What exactly has Moore done that Warrants such a promotion? I'm far more worried about the people who just accept the promotion than the ones who are upset in this case, because to accept it blindly as being good makes one a sheep.

I accept it's not exactly fact based
 

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It may not be exactly a fact based statement, but it emotional based either, it is based on logic. Like I said, they way you are making it sound, Jerry hiring a random Joe off the streets, it would be an emotional based statement if the fans disapprove, because they don't know if he is a good coach. Heck, any kind of hiring, if a company promotes an entry level employee to management, it would be an emotional response when people get upset that he got promoted when he hasn't shown that he deserves it, according to that kind of logic. What exactly has Moore done that Warrants such a promotion? I'm far more worried about the people who just accept the promotion than the ones who are upset in this case, because to accept it blindly as being good makes one a sheep.

Lol why are you "worried" about fans who accept. Don't you accept anything on blind faith? I can't get into the spiritual debate with you on here but millions of people accept certain things blindly and are willing sheep. I suppose football is a slightly different realm but I wouldn't worry about the "sheep" if I were you.
 

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Interesting question that can't be answered until we see where the teams are to start the next season. How far off will the playoff teams be next season? How about the East? I am not optimistic that they even win the East next season.

What most thought was the future and strength of the team, the D, stepped in it in LA. Will have a new OC and don't know the end result of that. DL and OL need help, pass game needs a TE and maybe a new slot WR. Got some decisions about players for the future as in 2019.

And here's the question. If the biggest advantage of a run game and stout D are the away playoff games, I'd say this team is further away than close.
 

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I accept it's not exactly fact based
Well there just isn't enough known about the guy for there to be any facts. Unless he has done a lot of behind the scene things that have proven him to management, there is little evidence that he has been a good Quarterback Coach. That is what is worrisome for a fan of the team, since we have seen other seemingly undeserving people rise up in the coaching ladder, and people are saying the Head coach is still learning to be good here in some previous threads. If your team has that kind of history, and hasn't seemed to produce any worthwhile assistants since the Parcells era, then you should be worried. It's not like we are a well run organization, where other teams want to grab our assistants to promote them and have them coach there. I mean what exactly do you like about Moore?
 

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Interesting question that can't be answered until we see where the teams are to start the next season. How far off will the playoff teams be next season? How about the East? I am not optimistic that they even win the East next season.

What most thought was the future and strength of the team, the D, stepped in it in LA. Will have a new OC and don't know the end result of that. DL and OL need help, pass game needs a TE and maybe a new slot WR. Got some decisions about players for the future as in 2019.

Woods played 3/4 of the game with a torn labrum. That had an impact. I agree coach we have some needs like DT, TE and eventually a slot WR. Not saying we don't. So do the Rams and Saint. Before the Saints got it together the last three years they were mired in 7-9. The Rams? McVay inherited a bunch of top draft choices because they've been mired in poop for years. JMO but we aren't far off. And the Iggles can have their inevitable QB controversy
 

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light years

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Buzz light years?
 

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Nope. The only people that don't think JG is a good coach are anonymous internet trolls and a couple of ex-players who got their feelings hurt because they got the boot.

In an earlier post, I compared Sean Peyton and JG. Peyton's record is not better in the regular season and is only marginally better in the post season, with his lone SB win coming over a decade ago. Over the same time period, Peyton has performed almost exactly the same as JG even though he has a HoF QB.

So again, no, we aren't that far off and our current staff and players can lead us to the SB
 

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Well there just isn't enough known about the guy for there to be any facts. Unless he has done a lot of behind the scene things that have proven him to management, there is little evidence that he has been a good Quarterback Coach. That is what is worrisome for a fan of the team, since we have seen other seemingly undeserving people rise up in the coaching ladder, and people are saying the Head coach is still learning to be good here in some previous threads. If your team has that kind of history, and hasn't seemed to produce any worthwhile assistants since the Parcells era, then you should be worried. It's not like we are a well run organization, where other teams want to grab our assistants to promote them and have them coach there. I mean what exactly do you like about Moore?

All good, we can agree to disagree. Besides, I like playing devil's advocate and may come around to your way of thinking after about 8 games next year. You may win by losing in the long run lol.
 

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Do you honestly believe we are that far off?

Based on what I saw in the Rams's/Saints we aren't

Even with JG as our HC

Even with Dak as our QB

Even with JJ as our owner

Even with Kitna as the QB coach

AND the possibility of Mini Me Moore as our OC

We aren't that far behind McVay/Goff, Payton/Brees and the Rams/Saints.

Comments? Bring 'em


We are a QB away
 

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I don’t think we’re FAR off. But I don’t think Garrett has the strategic acumen to cover the details that are often the difference between winning and losing. He’s proven multiple times that he can get this team into that 12-13 win range but when push comes to shove and he’s matched up against true creative geniuses like Belichick and McVay, that’s where his shortcoming hurt us the most.

He struggles when it comes to thinking outside the box. In the postseason you have to be able to reinvent yourself to some degree rather than trotting out the same old game plan.

Look at the two aforementioned coaches. You can visibly see significant changes in their game plan from week to week. Whereas with Dallas what you saw last week is pretty much what you’re going to see this week.
 

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We are a QB away

He's not as bad as some of you are making him out to be. At the beginning of the year, yeah, he struggled to play with consistency. But after the Cooper trade he played well.

As for his level of play in the postseason....I'd argue that Dak's level of play was superior to every QB playing yesterday.
 

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Do I think we’re close? Not with this owner/GM and HC. Watching the games today was a serious reminder how far away we are. Impossible? No. But under the current regime our chances are basically “even the blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while”, or “a broken clock is right twice a day.” Those are our chances.

Guess what these guys have in common:

Sean McVay
Andy Reid
Dan Quinn
John Harbaugh
Jim Harbaugh
Bill Belichick
Tony Dungy
Sean Payton
Jon Gruden
Mike McCarthy
Gary Kubiak
Mike Tomlin
Doug Pederson

Over the past 20 years, all these coaches at least led their teams to a conference championship game appearance in 3 years or less. I'm sure I missed a few names but those are the ones I was able to remember off the dome.

Point being, in most cases if a coach is a championship caliber coach, those traits are usually exhibited with on field results in a fairly short amount of time. Yet here we are in Dallas quickly approaching a decade under Garrett with nothing to show for it except a couple of wild card wins.

Franchises who are being led by owners who are actually results oriented and place winning a championship as priority #1, churn their coach in 5 years or less if they're not at least getting to a CCG. This lets me know that despite what Jerry and Stephen Jones are peddling, winning is absolutely not their top priority.

Can't be.

Not when you're intentionally handicapping yourself year after year.
 
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