Is there a possibility of Zeke holding out?

CPanther95

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So what’s your argument? That they sucked half a game less than the Cowboys? They still sucked in a year they underachieved. Cowboys overachieved......

The point was that you don't pay Bell on what he deserved for past production. You pay him on what he deserves moving forward.

I'll concede that the Cowboys overachieved to reach their level of suckage and the Steelers underachieved.
 
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20 million a year was stupid for Gurley. I would never pay a back like that. I cant deny that Jerry probably will. Sadly.

I guess its kinda like you not wanting to pay Dak 30 million a year. I tell you what, he we pay Dak 30, Zeke 20 and Cooper 16 that is going to be ridiculous.
only like 12mil or around that is guaranteed..hard to swallow for these superstars that you give Kirk Cousins 30mil and you cant pay a player who is half your offense 15mil? I get it 20mil is insane for back but the pay scales have climbed for all skill positions, you give Dlaw 17mil but not Zeke, you trying to tell me Zekes productions isn't equal or more important then Dlaws..Zeke at times carrys our entire offense, this is what they are looking at, not saying its right but around the NFL players that carry a load such as zeke are getting paid big, they see this and say why not us..
and to all that THINK you can just grab a another Zeke or Gurley anywhere, you'd be wrong..those that stumble upon guy like this in later rounds get lucky its like finding Tom Brady in the 6th..its rare..CJ was alreay a good back and the Rams picked him up and it wasn't to replace Gurley just get them by until Gurley Healed up, it was a happy accident he excelled in their offense the way he did..over 16 games CJ will not be Gurley, gurley can catch 88 balls and run for 1500 yards and gets TDs by the bunches.. looking at small samples to make your case wont hold true over long periods of time, see the Foles Vs Wentz argument, foles is NOT better then Wentz long term over 16 games hed be worse IMO..Ive seen it.. Foles fell into a perfect situation 2 yrs in row where the timing made it appear hes the better long term answer when in truth, hes not..

Im ok giving zeke 15 but you are correct when it starts rising above that for any one player other then QB I get nervous..
 

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So Gurley ran for 10 yards and you think that bolsters your case that he deserves 20 million as year?
im not arguing for 20mil just saying Gurleys contract is Zekes league and the argument for his 57yard output against the rams is moot if you look at gurleys who already makes the big cash got 10..
 

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Gurley isn't getting 20 mil/season. More like 15. If you look at how the contract is structured, the last two seasons each include a roster bonus of 5 mil each season. Rams have an opt out, w/ only 4.2 mil of dead cap hit if they cut him after the 2021 season.

If they decide to keep him after that, he'll be restructured again.

Looking at his propensity to get injured, highly doubtful if he sees more than 30 mill of the 60 mill.
 

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Not if he holds out he isn't.

AND if Zeke is our offense then what happens if he gets hurt or suspended or holds out? Understand the issue better now?

And OFFENCE is really spelled OFFENSE. Did you mention something about stupid?

it is Canadian English. Just like it is "humour", "centre" "neighbour"...

You also stated "let him rot" which means you think we could live without him. You will not know if he is holding out until the end of the summer so how can you say "excuse to draft a stud in the 3rd round". What was that about being stupid?
 

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The point was that you don't pay Bell on what he deserved for past production. You pay him on what he deserves moving forward.

I'll concede that the Cowboys overachieved to reach their level of suckage and the Steelers underachieved.
Except the Cowboys didn’t suck last year lol. And yeah pay him what he deserves going forward....who’s arguing against that?
 

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A star RB for the Cowboys that's a 2-time rushing champion holding out......where have I seen this before?
 

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A hold out isn't practical, but he is certainly going to expect a contract this offseason since Gurley got one.

My concern would be that there's a chance he might be the kind of guy that's there, but he's "mentally holding out".

Dallas would be stupid to extend him now. If there was no salary cap I'd say, Jerry, give him what he wants. Because that's what benefits me as a fan. But as a fan I realize there is a cap and him holding out for a huge extension does not benefit the team.
 

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I'm worried that the refs are going to overcompensate and turn this passing game into a flag fest.
 

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unless he gets a new contract. I say let him rot. Perfect excuse to draft a young stud with our 3rd round pick and let him start the season.

All these guys disappeared when we needed them against the Rams. I’d let them take a hike. Tank, Zeke and especially the supremely overrated Byron Jones.
 

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All these guys disappeared when we needed them against the Rams. I’d let them take a hike. Tank, Zeke and especially the supremely overrated Byron Jones.

Byron is now "supremely overrated" boy have things changed since 12 months ago lmao
 

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I'm in business and have been for 40+ years. Now, I know there's a lot of union guys, government workers and millennials on the board who view the world differently but, in my mind, there are a couple of things to consider:

1 You sign a contract to provide a service for a specified amount of compensation over a specified period of time
2 In my mind you live up to the conditions of the contract - both legally and as a matter of personal honor
3 When I enter into a contract, I go into it satisfied that it provides me with terms I felt were equitable at the time of the signing
4 What happens in another company or, industry-wide, i.e., someone getting a better deal for whatever the reason - is of no consequence to the conditions of an agreement I negotiated and accepted

If I "bid a job" (which is exactly what these guys are doing), am awarded that contract and, come to find I left a ton of money on the table, what does that indicate? It says:

I undervalued my services or-
Other competitors were better negotiators or-
Other clients were willing to pay more for the same service

What ever the case, it has no bearing whatsoever on the agreement I negotiated and signed. In fact, in the real world, there are provisions in the contract which states you will provide that service for a prescribed period of time and, if you do not, you are held in breach and therefore liable for damages done to the client. These are reasons Performance Bonds are placed ... to protect the client (buyer), from non-performance.

If a player wants out, it's simple ... he recompenses the client for damages namely, all costs and projected revenues lost as a result of the breach.

But, more important to me and my business, I will simply do what I say I will do because - I told the client I would.

This will no doubt come as a shock to many here but, it's kinda like living in a "Big-Boy" world ... but then again, I suppose that world of honor doesn't exist any longer ...
 
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