Joe Montana was the original Tony Romo; Bill Walsh left rings

OmerV said:

First, Montana actually won a Super Bowl with Siefert as head coach, as did Steve Young, so let’s not pretend winning Super Bowls in San Francisco suddenly became impossible when Walsh retired.

But on top of that, the fact remains that Montana actually did have a great coach for a significant part of his career, and he did win Super Bowls, and he did make a lot of post season appearances, and he did get a lot of post season accolades. And he also won NFL MVP awards a few times. Romo had none of that.

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The OP is not comparing Romo and Montana's careers. Only that they but left rings on the table. That before Romo was someone who left rings on the table, there was Montana. That he could have won just as many as Walsh would have coached.
He is talking about Montana and Walsh versus Brady and Belichick.

rnr_honeybadger said:

When it did stop it came in the guise of the Cowboys owner.

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It came in the form of pass interference by deion that wasnt called in the 9ers in the NFC championship

Daktozekecoop said:

The OP is not comparing Romo and Montana's careers. Only that they but left rings on the table. That before Romo was someone who left rings on the table, there was Montana. That he could have won just as many as Walsh would have coached.
He is talking about Montana and Walsh versus Brady and Belichick.

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If Montana would've played under today's rules w/ no breathing hard on QB, he'd have played until he was 50.

If Brady had played in Montana's era, he'd have been lucky to make 33.

kskboys said:

If Montana would've played under today's rules w/ no breathing hard on QB, he'd have played until he was 50.

If Brady had played in Montana's era, he'd have been lucky to make 33.

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Agreed 100 percent.
Montana was sooooooooo good. I rate him with Jordan, Ali, Pele, Federer

Daktozekecoop said:

The OP is not comparing Romo and Montana's careers. Only that they but left rings on the table. That before Romo was someone who left rings on the table, there was Montana. That he could have won just as many as Walsh would have coached.
He is talking about Montana and Walsh versus Brady and Belichick.

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The thread title says that Joe Montana was the original Tony Romo. That’s a nonsense title, and that’s what I was referring to. It’s not that hard to take some facet of anyone’s career at some point in time in his career and liken it to some facet of another person’s career at some point in time, but that doesn’t make the first the original of the second, especially when the first had an overall career that was so dramatically different than the second. Hell, it’s not even a certainty either left rings on the table. Super Bowl championships are too elusive to simply assume that.

It's hard to compare QB's of different eras when the rules are sooo different. How would Brady have faired when QB's were tackling dummies? How would Montana have faired in today's protect the creampuff QB league?

"Joe Montana is cooler than the other side of a pillow."

Steve Young was an athlete that learned to be a QB.
He frustrated Walsh by constantly bailing out on a play
and turning the Genius' offense into schoolyard football.
Eventually, he settled down, plus he always had the talent
around him in SF.

Both are deserving of their HOF jackets, but if we are choosing,
I'm going to say it's Joe Cool all the way.

Young was better than Montana by 92’ If not earlier. Injuries just took their toll.

Gameover said:

on the table.

I’m avoiding it like my name is Sandra Bullock.

I know the clueless sheep are running with it. Can’t turn on TV, Radio, or Twitter

Best ever!

And since Brady now has 6, I’m sure they’ve really lost all perspective and there debating who was a better athlete Brady or Jordan

Yeah let’s compare: The ultimate role player vs the greatest one man wrecking crew that sports has ever witnessed(wilt and Jim brown)

Would history be different?

What if Bill Walsh wasn’t driven by rather leave a year too early than a year too late

What if Joe Montana didn’t lose his job to an inferior QB

the Cowboys mini run in the 90’s May never have come to pass

No disrespect to the Cowboys but Walsh/Montana >>> Seifert/Young all day

As the great Eric Bischoff always says: context is king

This is why you shouldn’t label anyone in sports the absolute greatest without proper context

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I'll give you Walsh/ Montana. But Seifert/Young? We beat them soundly and won 3 super bowls to their 1 in that era. And that one victory was a gift. Had Jimmy Johnson not left after the 93 season, Seifert and Young would be the NFC equivalent of Levy/Kelly in Buffalo.

Gameover said:

on the table.

I’m avoiding it like my name is Sandra Bullock.

I know the clueless sheep are running with it. Can’t turn on TV, Radio, or Twitter

Best ever!

And since Brady now has 6, I’m sure they’ve really lost all perspective and there debating who was a better athlete Brady or Jordan

Yeah let’s compare: The ultimate role player vs the greatest one man wrecking crew that sports has ever witnessed(wilt and Jim brown)

Would history be different?

What if Bill Walsh wasn’t driven by rather leave a year too early than a year too late

What if Joe Montana didn’t lose his job to an inferior QB

the Cowboys mini run in the 90’s May never have come to pass

No disrespect to the Cowboys but Walsh/Montana >>> Seifert/Young all day

As the great Eric Bischoff always says: context is king

This is why you shouldn’t label anyone in sports the absolute greatest without proper context

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Just Stop!!! Brady is the greatest of all time. There really is no debate. We don't have to wonder what would have or could have happened. This is actually happening. I know its very hard for fans to be nostalgic and not live in the moment. I'm guilty of it all the time 24/7 with Jimmy Johnson the culture smashing king of football.

Brady just is the GOAT QB, and probably the best football player ever. He has earned it. 9 SB appearances over 18 years.
I grew up with Montana/ Parcells/ Gibbs/ Walsh going into my teenage years with the Triplets. I never understood why Walsh left after the 88 SB, but he did have his reasons.
Never understood why Jimmy and Jerry would throw away a chance at a three peat plus more.
These decisions boggle the mind.
Montana was better than Young no doubt, but in 1992, Young was the better QB for the 49ers and it was proven in the following years.

I had my doubts about Brady until this last mini dynasty they have had post last CBA. 2011 to now. Every SB champ since 2011 has had to go through the Patriots.

2011 Giants beat them
2012 Ravens beat them to get to SB
2013 Seahawks won but Broncos beat them in championships
2014 Patriots beat Seahawks
2015 Broncos beat Panthers
2016 Patriots beat Falcons
2017 Eagles beat Patriots
2018 Patriots beat Rams

Just those 8 years makes you a first ballot top 5 QB all time. Think about that for a minute and let it sink in. Brady has lapped the field and still has the passion to keep on playing.

Joe Montana is the best QB zig all time.

MJ is the best athlete of all time and isn’t close at all. Basketball takes more skill than other sports and MJ has all the skills of that sport mastered.

Mr_C said:

Joe Montana is the best QB zig all time.

MJ is the best athlete of all time and isn’t close at all. Basketball takes more skill than other sports and MJ has all the skills of that sport mastered.

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I would probably go with pre-injury Bo Jackson as best athlete.

Daktozekecoop said:

I agree Montana is the greatest ever. But Young was awfully damn good. And I don't believe for a second that Jimmy did not pay heed to the 49er's with Young. That is why after the Championship game, he exclaimed "How About Them Cowboys", he knew they had climbed the mountain, that the super bowl was all but won. And the next year when he made the guarantee of victory, it was simply a tool in his tool box to gain a further edge against the measuring stick. Dallas would have beaten Montana and Walsh and with Jimmy they would have won at least 4 in a row over anyone.

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I used to agree that Montana was the greatest ever but now I believe it is Tom Brady. Montana had a very strong supporting cast-Rice, Craig, Taylor, Lott, good OL, etc. A lot of those guys are HOF players. Brady doesn’t have much to work with (Gronk, Moss). The one thing he has going for him is perhaps the greatest coach to ever coach the game.

Roadtrip635 said:

I would probably go with pre-injury Bo Jackson as best athlete.

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I would agree with maybe putting Jim Thorpe in the argument a little.

Carl23 said:

Young is, IMO, the most underrated QB of all time. The dude was special. Better than Montana, special.

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Young wasn't Young in Tampa. Joe was still Joe Cool in Kansas City at an advanced age. If it wasn't for that terrible start in that NFC championship game Steve Young wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. That's a silly simple opinion that's baseless.

Carl23 said:

Young is, IMO, the most underrated QB of all time. The dude was special. Better than Montana, special.

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No. Young was a very good QB but he was not better then Montana IMO. Joe was better then Young IMO.

GMO415 said:

Behind.Brady.lies Montana, Bradshaw, and Aikman. Tony isn't even in the entire conversation

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But in front of him is Staubach. Joe never beat the Cowboys until Roger retired.

Young would make the critical mistake at the wrong time, it seemed lik Montana never did. If not for free agency and massive egos not working out in Dallas , Young may have never sniffed a SB.

I need 6 said:

Young wasn't Young in Tampa. Joe was still Joe Cool in Kansas City at an advanced age. If it wasn't for that terrible start in that NFC championship game Steve Young wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. That's a silly simple opinion that's baseless.

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Talk about a stupid hot take...

Roadtrip635 said:

I would probably go with pre-injury Bo Jackson as best athlete.

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Agreed. His career was cut short. What could've been.

Only athlete to All-Star in two sports.