Rumor: DLaw looking for 100mils / 70 guaranteed

buybuydandavis · Feb 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
Not just sacks . He drops of after the 1st 4 games in all categories. He drops by half, close to half or a little more than half in most categories in the last 12 compared to the first 4. He's a Sept beast .

He's actually had 25 sacks. 13 of them in Sept and 3 in Dec. It's just not sacks. It's tfl, QB hits, tackles.

Tackles are a stat that = " there is a lot more to playing de than sacks". Past 2 season's, 42 tackles for avg of 5.2. Next 12 has 80 for 3.3. He had half (close)as many tackles in 8 games as he did in 24.

Sept compared to Dec. Sept, 42 tackles with 13 sacks. 5.2 tackles a game with 1.6 sacks a game. Dec, 22 tackles, half of Sept with 2.7 a game , 3 sacks 1/4 of what he did in Sept with .3 sacks a game.

The guy is a Sept beast, then falls off and by Dec is a dud.

As far as getting use to the fact that we'll pay him, 1. Not a gutanteee but I tend to agree with you. 2. I'll *****, cry, moan and grown for a few days but then it's on to the next cowboy topic and on to my own financial problems. Lol I have A LOT more than the cowboys. Lol

Very nice. Where and how are you getting the data?

Hawkeye19 · Feb 14, 2019

Silly said:
Injured again this year. That is why I don't think it is a good idea to break the bank on a long term deal.

Just tag him and he will likely get hurt again next season and maybe the price will come down in 2020.

You tag him and he will holdout. You also send a message to the team that you don’t repay production with longterm security— which is a huge issue to players who are risking their longterm health every time the ball is snapped.

If you don’t want to sign him because of his iniury history— fine. But at least respect him enough to let him find his longterm security from another team.

Playing hardball with D Law is a bad look for the FO any way you cut it.

buybuydandavis · Feb 14, 2019

Mobinvans said:
You got to pay the man....we need our defense because our offense is bad bad bad

We don't got to pay da man. We got to get value for our dollars.
Guaranteeing a ton of money on an overpriced contract is bad bad bad.

Stash · Feb 14, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
Somebody made All Pro 3 of the last 4 seasons.
Somebody has never been All Pro.
Remind me which one is which again.

Who cares? Remind me again, what does "All-Pro" win for a team?

And if we want to model ourselves after another team, how about the perennial SB champs?
NE - Highest Dline Cap Hit 5.9 mil

As soon as you acquire the greatest coach and quarterback of all time? Then you can start modeling yourself after the Patriots.

Toruk_Makto · Feb 14, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
Is my office only working 18 days of the year?

Imagine thinking NFL players only work 18 days a year.

Rayman70 · Feb 14, 2019

Mobinvans said:
You got to pay the man....we need our defense because our offense is bad bad bad

where was he against the Rams? I want him on my team, but not at THAT price. The insanity ,if true, of him demanding 70 mil guaranteed , is a nonstarter. He either gets real or gets his walkin papers. Jerry is many things,but stupid aint one of them.

Silly · Feb 14, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
fine. But at least respect him enough to let him find his longterm security from another team.

Playing hardball with D Law is a bad look for the FO any way you cut it.

Hey, I agree with you. I just want to point out that if Dallas Tags him again this year, he will have made over 40 million dollars as a cowboy. How is 40 million not enough respect?

Hawkeye19 · Feb 14, 2019

Silly said:
Hey, I agree with you. I just want to point out that if Dallas Tags him again this year, he will have made over 40 million dollars as a cowboy. How is 40 million not enough respect?

Long term deal = security

Just the way it is from the player’s point of view. Easy for those of us that don’t play to judge them— but they are those ones risking their longterm health play in and play out.

Rayman70 · Feb 14, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
Long term deal = security

Just the way it is from the player’s point of view. Easy for those of us that don’t play to judge them— but they are those ones risking their longterm health play in and play out.

no one makes them do it. Its their choice. Teams don't force them to take the risk. I don't wanna hear that nonsense. Players do it cuz the love the game, NOT the money, SUPPOSEDLY.

Jimbo69 · Feb 14, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
Long term deal = security

Just the way it is from the player’s point of view. Easy for those of us that don’t play to judge them— but they are those ones risking their longterm health play in and play out.

Sorry, but i think $40m equates to financial security in my book. I agree players put threir health on the line but plenty of players who put their health on the line do it for a lot less than $40m.

mattjames2010 · Feb 14, 2019

Rayman70 said:
where was he against the Rams? I want him on my team, but not at THAT price. The insanity ,if true, of him demanding 70 mil guaranteed , is a nonstarter. He either gets real or gets his walkin papers. Jerry is many things,but stupid aint one of them.

D-Law wasn't the problem against the Rams. Can you folks stop pretending a single D-Lineman would have prevented 200 yards rushing?

It's hilarious to me this place is okay with paying freakin' WRs and RBs but pee their pants at the thought of paying pass rushing d-lineman and then have the nerve to criticize Jerry. You're all little Jerry Jr.

And by the way, he isn't getting this type of contract - not even the market is showing he will. The person who started this thread has confirmation bias and throws out bogus stats - it's a "rumor" that is baseless.

mattjames2010 · Feb 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
Not just sacks . He drops of after the 1st 4 games in all categories. He drops by half, close to half or a little more than half in most categories in the last 12 compared to the first 4. He's a Sept beast .

He's actually had 25 sacks. 13 of them in Sept and 3 in Dec. It's just not sacks. It's tfl, QB hits, tackles.

Tackles are a stat that = " there is a lot more to playing de than sacks". Past 2 season's, 42 tackles for avg of 5.2. Next 12 has 80 for 3.3. He had half (close)as many tackles in 8 games as he did in 24.

Sept compared to Dec. Sept, 42 tackles with 13 sacks. 5.2 tackles a game with 1.6 sacks a game. Dec, 22 tackles, half of Sept with 2.7 a game , 3 sacks 1/4 of what he did in Sept with .3 sacks a game.

The guy is a Sept beast, then falls off and by Dec is a dud.

As far as getting use to the fact that we'll pay him, 1. Not a gutanteee but I tend to agree with you. 2. I'll *****, cry, moan and grown for a few days but then it's on to the next cowboy topic and on to my own financial problems. Lol I have A LOT more than the cowboys. Lol

Yet, his "dropoff", with your dumb raw stats, still has him graded as a top 10 DE.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/demarcus-lawrence/8669

TwentyOne · Feb 14, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
He didnt show up till his contract year, and this year, he did ok, but what did he do in the 2 playoff games?
Especially the rams game, that is something to look at.
It is all up to the jones boys, so I will let them decide.

Especially the rams game was a desaster for him .

Yeah i am right there with you. Having 8 good games in esch of the last 2 season doesnt do it for me. Nit for that kind of guaranteed money.

TwentyOne · Feb 14, 2019

GORICO said:
i hate over paying players....i understand why they go for the big bucks....they are putting their health on the line....but teams get crippled especially these huge contracts for QB's..i hate it....

Thats another story. And i feel the same.

Risking your health is no reason for me. Everybody with a physical demanding job is risking his health. Still they dont get paid millions for it. But thats a systemic problem.

LACowboysFan1 · Feb 14, 2019

I went back and reviewed the Rams game, Lawrence wasn't the problem, in fact several of the long run plays were run on the opposite side from Lawrence. And many of the passes that were completed were quick throws, no DE is getting sacks in that case. And the fact is that many of the runs were up the middle, Lawrence has responsibility for protecting the edge, again, not his fault.

I have no problem with paying Lawrence the big buck, though I'm not keen on $70 mil guaranteed, due to his back and other problems, if he'd had none of those, $70 mil guaranteed isn't that much of a concern....

TwentyOne · Feb 14, 2019

LatinMind said:
I’d give him 70mil guranteed in a heartbeat. I think there would be talk of getting out of the contract after year 4. So you can probably assume probably 35mil signing bonus. 4 yrs 68mil with a 7 mil dead cap in 2023. 15.75-17mil avg for them 4 yrs. I’d jump at that if I were the cowboys

The guaranteed money is where i have the biggest problem. This guy has serious injury questions: he has chronic back issues which is a red sign for every 4-3 DE. And comes of major shoulder surgery. A torn labrum is nothing to joke about. This is a career threatening injury.

Btw i still dont believe he really had one. If he had a torn labrum he wouldnt had been able to use his arm at all. He may have had a SLAP-1 or something compareable. But he had to find something to explain his medicore play in the later part of each of the last seasons. Remember: contract year. But that is just my opinion.

Little Jr · Feb 14, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Yet, his "dropoff", with your dumb raw stats, still has him graded as a top 10 DE.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/demarcus-lawrence/8669

Lol you think my "raw" stats are dumb and that's how I feel about pff grades. Even with that they have him ranked as #9 and ranked at good. Lol I said in earlier comment I think he's good, not great. At no point have I said don't pay him. All my comments are based on the OP and what the rumor is that he's wanting.

Stash · Feb 14, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
I went back and reviewed the Rams game, Lawrence wasn't the problem, in fact several of the long run plays were run on the opposite side from Lawrence.

That would be where Crawford, the guy nobody seems to have a problem paying $9 million a year, was lined up. If you want to talk about the biggest liability in that game? It was him. He was a non-factor rushing the passer and was embarrassing against the run as well. The Rams gashed him and that side all night.

And many of the passes that were completed were quick throws, no DE is getting sacks in that case. And the fact is that many of the runs were up the middle, Lawrence has responsibility for protecting the edge, again, not his fault.

All of the linemen were at a distinct disadvantage when the Rams knew where they were going "90% of the time". That's like trying to win a game of chess when you're opponent knows every move you're going to make. Good luck!

I have no problem with paying Lawrence the big buck, though I'm not keen on $70 mil guaranteed, due to his back and other problems, if he'd had none of those, $70 mil guaranteed isn't that much of a concern....

Given those factors, I'm expecting his guaranteed number to be $60 million, still high, but I think the team would feel OK about committing to $20 million a year for three years and then having the option of whether or not to stick with the deal in the future.

TwentyOne · Feb 14, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Yet, his "dropoff", with your dumb raw stats, still has him graded as a top 10 DE.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/demarcus-lawrence/8669

Can you give me some contract figures what the 10th ranked 4-3 RDE would earn ?!

mattjames2010 · Feb 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
Lol you think my "raw" stats are dumb and that's how I feel about pff grades. Even with that they have him ranked as #9 and ranked at good. Lol I said in earlier comment I think he's good, not great. At no point have I said don't pay him. All my comments are based on the OP and what the rumor is that he's wanting.

I think they are dumb when there is no context to which you post - at the very least, what I am showing you, people actually go in, watch the game film, and grade.

Even watching the Rams game, which you folks keep bringing up, you would know he wasn't the problem. Stop posting if you can't even watch games.

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